[PROPOSED] [DISCUSS] Marketing FAS Requirements and Activities

[Joe Brockmeier]

Hey all,

During the last two weeks' meetings, we discussed membership
requirements and what it should take to be a member. I recall this
coming up again and again, and recalled that it had already been decided
once. The problem is it wasn't recorded!

This is from an email in 2014 following Flock, when Chris Roberts was
"marketing lead":

[Begin Quote]

During Flock we had a talk about being active contributors and
membership in the FAS marketing group and we have come to the following:

To stay active in the FAS group you have to make at least one
contribution during a release schedule, if you have not made any
contributions you will be removed from the FAS group.

We have a lot of inactive members and when I did start to remove people,
I got a lot of feedback from them saying why they were removed. This
happens in the FI-Aprentice group where if you do not reply to an email
each month you are removed. If you are removed from the group and would
like to rejoin that is totally fine, we want to see contribution in
order to be in the group.

I will post this new information on our Marketing wiki page as well.

[End Quote]

Cite here: http://markmail.org/message/qghmwa3mlq745bxw

So my proposal here is that we stick to what's already been agreed and
stop re-re-discussing this.

Note to people who say "but I was busy," "I got married that cycle,"
"I
was in a coma..." - our response should be "that happens. Contribute
this cycle, and we'll reinstate you," "congratulations! Contribute this
cycle, and we'll reinstate you," and "wow! We're so glad you're OK.
Contribute this cycle, and we'll reinstate you."

In other words: No exceptions.

## What Constitutes a Contribution?

OK, so maybe what constitutes a contribution is unclear. Let's start
with what *isn't* something that gets you over the requirement:

* Saying something on the mailing list.

Just participating in a discussion on the list is *not* a contribution.

So what are some of the things that are contributions?

* Managing talking points for one or more editions, or parts of Fedora
(a spin, a major feature, etc.).

* Writing / compiling a release announcement - or contributing a large
section to a release announcement. [Fixing a comma splice is not really
a significant contribution. Managing a section on the Workstation
Edition is.]

* Working to create one or more flyers or information sheets for an
edition, Fedora overall, etc.

* Substantial work helping clean up the Marketing wiki.

* Creating materials for Fedora Ambassadors for an event, or talking
points for an event or events.

* Any observable significant and useful contribution that moves Fedora
Marketing forward during a release cycle.

* Mentor and bring in new contributors to marketing. We should be
totally good with granting membership to anybody who spends a lot of
time teaching other people the ropes, even if that means their
fingerprints are not as visible on the finished product as if they
created it solo.

## Also Proposed

I hope you've read this far - because I have one more proposal:

* We edit the wiki to remove the "add yourself to the FAS group" bit.

(This page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_the_Fedora_marketing_project)

Thoughts, comments, flames?

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/

[Brian Exelbierd]

On 03/02/2016 01:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  Hey all,
>
>  During the last two weeks' meetings, we discussed membership
>  requirements and what it should take to be a member. I recall this
>  coming up again and again, and recalled that it had already been decided
>  once. The problem is it wasn't recorded!
>
>  This is from an email in 2014 following Flock, when Chris Roberts was
>  "marketing lead":
>
>  [Begin Quote]
>
>  During Flock we had a talk about being active contributors and
>  membership in the FAS marketing group and we have come to the following:
>
>  To stay active in the FAS group you have to make at least one
>  contribution during a release schedule, if you have not made any
>  contributions you will be removed from the FAS group.
>
>  We have a lot of inactive members and when I did start to remove people,
>  I got a lot of feedback from them saying why they were removed. This
>  happens in the FI-Aprentice group where if you do not reply to an email
>  each month you are removed. If you are removed from the group and would
>  like to rejoin that is totally fine, we want to see contribution in
>  order to be in the group.
>
>  I will post this new information on our Marketing wiki page as well.
>
>  [End Quote]
>
>  Cite here: http://markmail.org/message/qghmwa3mlq745bxw
>
>  So my proposal here is that we stick to what's already been agreed and
>  stop re-re-discussing this.
>
>  Note to people who say "but I was busy," "I got married that cycle,"
> "I
>  was in a coma..." - our response should be "that happens. Contribute
>  this cycle, and we'll reinstate you," "congratulations! Contribute this
>  cycle, and we'll reinstate you," and "wow! We're so glad you're
> OK.
>  Contribute this cycle, and we'll reinstate you."
>
>  In other words: No exceptions.
>
>  ## What Constitutes a Contribution?
>
>  OK, so maybe what constitutes a contribution is unclear. Let's start
>  with what *isn't* something that gets you over the requirement:
>
>  * Saying something on the mailing list.
>
>  Just participating in a discussion on the list is *not* a contribution.
>
>  So what are some of the things that are contributions?
>
>  * Managing talking points for one or more editions, or parts of Fedora
>  (a spin, a major feature, etc.).
>
>  * Writing / compiling a release announcement - or contributing a large
>  section to a release announcement. [Fixing a comma splice is not really
>  a significant contribution. Managing a section on the Workstation
>  Edition is.]
>
>  * Working to create one or more flyers or information sheets for an
>  edition, Fedora overall, etc.
>
>  * Substantial work helping clean up the Marketing wiki.
>
>  * Creating materials for Fedora Ambassadors for an event, or talking
>  points for an event or events.
>
>  * Any observable significant and useful contribution that moves Fedora
>  Marketing forward during a release cycle.
>
>  * Mentor and bring in new contributors to marketing. We should be
>  totally good with granting membership to anybody who spends a lot of
>  time teaching other people the ropes, even if that means their
>  fingerprints are not as visible on the finished product as if they
>  created it solo.
>
>  ## Also Proposed
>
>  I hope you've read this far - because I have one more proposal:
>
>  * We edit the wiki to remove the "add yourself to the FAS group" bit.
>
>  (This page:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_the_Fedora_marketing_project)
>
>  Thoughts, comments, flames? 
As a non-member, this is exactly what I would want to read on the groups 
wiki page.  This is also exactly what I would expect.  If I am not 
active, I am not in the group.  Membership isn't a sticker to be 
collected for my laptop, it is a recognition of my contributions.

That said, it may be worth archiving who was members during which cycles 
for some period to preserve historical recognition, especially if there 
isn't an existing record like a commit log.

regards,

bex

[Marketing] [PROPOSED] [DISCUSS] Marketing FAS Requirements and Activities

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 03/03/2016 08:04 AM, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote:
>  
>  That said, it may be worth archiving who was members during which cycles
>  for some period to preserve historical recognition, especially if there
>  isn't an existing record like a commit log. 
That's not a bad idea, though it'd be difficult to do retroactively.
Going forward, that would be good. We could create a "pre-F24" team page.
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/

[Marketing] [PROPOSED] [DISCUSS] Marketing FAS Requirements and Activities

[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/02/2016 07:22 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  Hey all,
>
>  During the last two weeks' meetings, we discussed membership
>  requirements and what it should take to be a member. I recall this
>  coming up again and again, and recalled that it had already been decided
>  once. The problem is it wasn't recorded!
>
>  This is from an email in 2014 following Flock, when Chris Roberts was
>  "marketing lead":
>
>  [Begin Quote]
>
>  During Flock we had a talk about being active contributors and
>  membership in the FAS marketing group and we have come to the following:
>
>  To stay active in the FAS group you have to make at least one
>  contribution during a release schedule, if you have not made any
>  contributions you will be removed from the FAS group.
>
>  We have a lot of inactive members and when I did start to remove people,
>  I got a lot of feedback from them saying why they were removed. This
>  happens in the FI-Aprentice group where if you do not reply to an email
>  each month you are removed. If you are removed from the group and would
>  like to rejoin that is totally fine, we want to see contribution in
>  order to be in the group.
>
>  I will post this new information on our Marketing wiki page as well.
>
>  [End Quote]
>
>  Cite here: http://markmail.org/message/qghmwa3mlq745bxw
>
>  So my proposal here is that we stick to what's already been agreed and
>  stop re-re-discussing this.
>
>  Note to people who say "but I was busy," "I got married that cycle,"
> "I
>  was in a coma..." - our response should be "that happens. Contribute
>  this cycle, and we'll reinstate you," "congratulations! Contribute this
>  cycle, and we'll reinstate you," and "wow! We're so glad you're
> OK.
>  Contribute this cycle, and we'll reinstate you."
>
>  In other words: No exceptions.
>
>  ## What Constitutes a Contribution?
>
>  OK, so maybe what constitutes a contribution is unclear. Let's start
>  with what *isn't* something that gets you over the requirement:
>
>  * Saying something on the mailing list.
>
>  Just participating in a discussion on the list is *not* a contribution.
>
>  So what are some of the things that are contributions?
>
>  * Managing talking points for one or more editions, or parts of Fedora
>  (a spin, a major feature, etc.).
>
>  * Writing / compiling a release announcement - or contributing a large
>  section to a release announcement. [Fixing a comma splice is not really
>  a significant contribution. Managing a section on the Workstation
>  Edition is.]
>
>  * Working to create one or more flyers or information sheets for an
>  edition, Fedora overall, etc.
>
>  * Substantial work helping clean up the Marketing wiki.
>
>  * Creating materials for Fedora Ambassadors for an event, or talking
>  points for an event or events.
>
>  * Any observable significant and useful contribution that moves Fedora
>  Marketing forward during a release cycle.
>
>  * Mentor and bring in new contributors to marketing. We should be
>  totally good with granting membership to anybody who spends a lot of
>  time teaching other people the ropes, even if that means their
>  fingerprints are not as visible on the finished product as if they
>  created it solo.
>
>  ## Also Proposed
>
>  I hope you've read this far - because I have one more proposal:
>
>  * We edit the wiki to remove the "add yourself to the FAS group" bit.
>
>  (This page:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_the_Fedora_marketing_project)
>
>  Thoughts, comments, flames? 
I'm +1 to all of the suggestions here, as we discussed in the meeting. 
For reference purposes, we agreed in the meeting to incorporate these 
proposed discussions into the Marketing "Join" wiki page.

Thanks Joe for putting these together in a formal proposal! jzb++

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Marketing] [PROPOSED] [DISCUSS] Marketing FAS Requirements and Activities

[Davinia Siles]

Hello everybody!


Looks like I am inactive. My apologies; my family problems drives me
crazy.. but I am reading you!.

Maybe there are people which FAS account is linked to a "dead emails
addresses". For example, this is my main email so maybe I don't say
anything but I am reading. Maybe you should send an email before to
eliminate a FAS account or a emila from the group the kind of "Y*ou have X
days to answer this email If don't you will be eliminated"*.

By the way... I am trying to enter inside in markmail.org I suppose the key
is the same as FAS Fedora account or... It is not?

Regards

Davinia


2016-03-02 13:22 GMT+01:00 Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt;:

>  Hey all,
>
>  During the last two weeks' meetings, we discussed membership
>  requirements and what it should take to be a member. I recall this
>  coming up again and again, and recalled that it had already been decided
>  once. The problem is it wasn't recorded!
>
>  This is from an email in 2014 following Flock, when Chris Roberts was
>  "marketing lead":
>
>  [Begin Quote]
>
>  During Flock we had a talk about being active contributors and
>  membership in the FAS marketing group and we have come to the following:
>
>  To stay active in the FAS group you have to make at least one
>  contribution during a release schedule, if you have not made any
>  contributions you will be removed from the FAS group.
>
>  We have a lot of inactive members and when I did start to remove people,
>  I got a lot of feedback from them saying why they were removed. This
>  happens in the FI-Aprentice group where if you do not reply to an email
>  each month you are removed. If you are removed from the group and would
>  like to rejoin that is totally fine, we want to see contribution in
>  order to be in the group.
>
>  I will post this new information on our Marketing wiki page as well.
>
>  [End Quote]
>
>  Cite here: http://markmail.org/message/qghmwa3mlq745bxw
>
>  So my proposal here is that we stick to what's already been agreed and
>  stop re-re-discussing this.
>
>  Note to people who say "but I was busy," "I got married that cycle,"
> "I
>  was in a coma..." - our response should be "that happens. Contribute
>  this cycle, and we'll reinstate you," "congratulations! Contribute this
>  cycle, and we'll reinstate you," and "wow! We're so glad you're
> OK.
>  Contribute this cycle, and we'll reinstate you."
>
>  In other words: No exceptions.
>
>  ## What Constitutes a Contribution?
>
>  OK, so maybe what constitutes a contribution is unclear. Let's start
>  with what *isn't* something that gets you over the requirement:
>
>  * Saying something on the mailing list.
>
>  Just participating in a discussion on the list is *not* a contribution.
>
>  So what are some of the things that are contributions?
>
>  * Managing talking points for one or more editions, or parts of Fedora
>  (a spin, a major feature, etc.).
>
>  * Writing / compiling a release announcement - or contributing a large
>  section to a release announcement. [Fixing a comma splice is not really
>  a significant contribution. Managing a section on the Workstation
>  Edition is.]
>
>  * Working to create one or more flyers or information sheets for an
>  edition, Fedora overall, etc.
>
>  * Substantial work helping clean up the Marketing wiki.
>
>  * Creating materials for Fedora Ambassadors for an event, or talking
>  points for an event or events.
>
>  * Any observable significant and useful contribution that moves Fedora
>  Marketing forward during a release cycle.
>
>  * Mentor and bring in new contributors to marketing. We should be
>  totally good with granting membership to anybody who spends a lot of
>  time teaching other people the ropes, even if that means their
>  fingerprints are not as visible on the finished product as if they
>  created it solo.
>
>  ## Also Proposed
>
>  I hope you've read this far - because I have one more proposal:
>
>  * We edit the wiki to remove the "add yourself to the FAS group" bit.
>
>  (This page:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_the_Fedora_marketing_project)
>
>  Thoughts, comments, flames?
>
>  Best,
>
>  jzb
>  --
>  Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
>  jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
>  Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
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<dasipar(a)fedoraproyect.org&gt;*     *daviniasiles(a)gmail.com
<daviniasiles(a)gmail.com&gt;*

[Marketing] [PROPOSED] [DISCUSS] Marketing FAS Requirements and Activities

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 03/05/2016 12:46 PM, Davinia Siles wrote:
>  Maybe you should send an email before to eliminate a FAS account or
> a
>  emila from the group the kind of "Y/ou have X days to answer this email
>  If don't you will be eliminated"/. 
This isn't about list activity, it's about actually doing things during
a release cycle. So, rest assured, folks who are active will retain
their marketing FAS bit. Note we're not eliminating the FAS account
altogether. Just membership in the marketing group. And that can be
reinstated later if the person shows up and is active again.

We recognize that folks lives get busy, and Fedora can't always be the
primary focus - it's OK not to have membership in a group for a while.
But we do want to remind folks that we need active participation for
things to work well.

Best,

jzb

-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/