3:22 p.m.
OK, not really, but I got your attention.
But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically,
our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja
only without nunchucks or throwing stars.
In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire
value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours
dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a
non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes
open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal
alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well.
The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we
should endeavor to fix that.
I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term:
to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a
well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and
the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically
thanks to our existing FAS integration.
But... that doesn't help us *right now*.
AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of
identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there,
and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than
wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right
people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after
that (up to and including the idea above).
The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out
the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to
each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable?
--
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3:30 p.m.
On 03/01/2011 02:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
OK, not really, but I got your attention.
Yes, you did ;)
But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically,
our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja
only without nunchucks or throwing stars.
In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire
value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours
dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a
non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes
open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal
alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well.
The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we
should endeavor to fix that.
I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term:
to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a
well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and
the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically
thanks to our existing FAS integration.
But... that doesn't help us *right now*.
AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of
identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there,
and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than
wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right
people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after
that (up to and including the idea above).
The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out
the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to
each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable?
I think that's perfectly acceptable.
The question is: What do we have as a plan going forward as far as what
we want to start saying there? Or, at this point, is anything
acceptable, so long as we're seeing something happening?
-Robyn
6:19 a.m.
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:30:21PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
On 03/01/2011 02:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> OK, not really, but I got your attention.
Yes, you did ;)
> But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically,
> our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja
> only without nunchucks or throwing stars.
>
> In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire
> value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours
> dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a
> non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes
> open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal
> alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well.
>
> The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we
> should endeavor to fix that.
>
> I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term:
> to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a
> well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and
> the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically
> thanks to our existing FAS integration.
>
> But... that doesn't help us *right now*.
>
> AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of
> identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there,
> and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than
> wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right
> people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after
> that (up to and including the idea above).
>
> The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out
> the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to
> each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable?
>
>
I think that's perfectly acceptable.
The question is: What do we have as a plan going forward as far as what
we want to start saying there? Or, at this point, is anything
acceptable, so long as we're seeing something happening?
I've sent the password on to all the people on the HS list for whom I
had reliable email and GPG keys (Maria, Jared, Robyn, Jonathan). If
anyone else wants access, you're welcome to become part of the team
and work with those folks.
Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP
I would recommend that anyone who wants to help should read the entire
page, since it includes information on microblogging target audience,
suggested items, things to be avoided, and even some examples of
content. The feed should be a constantly positive stream of
information -- not ignoring issues, but striving to present factual
information in a helpful and positive manner.
Questions about the plan going forward? Well, you guys were at the
same Marketing FAD I was at... what do *YOU* want to do?
--
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9:27 a.m.
Hi, Paul!
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP
From that page:
While this is not necessarily the target audience for the
distribution<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base>;,
it is important to fit our messages to our perceived audience for the medium
of microblogging.
Comparing that to:
- Voluntary Linux
consumer<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_voluntary_Linux_con...
- Computer-friendly<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_computer-f...
- Likely
collaborator<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_likely_collabor...
- General productivity
user<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_us...
I would say that especially identi.ca (from my experience there, I admit my
personal feed is pretty pre-selected but nonetheless) fits all of these to a
great extend. I think especially identi.ca can be an awesome PR tool for
Fedora. I personally got probably 20+ people on there trying Fedora in the
last 3 months alone. It's a very friendly audience to our cause. :)
Fab
9:48 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:27:16PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
Hi, Paul!
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP
From that page:
While this is not necessarily the target audience for the
distribution<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base>;,
it is important to fit our messages to our perceived audience for the medium
of microblogging.
Comparing that to:
- Voluntary Linux
consumer<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_voluntary_Linux_con...
-
Computer-friendly<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_computer-f...
- Likely
collaborator<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_likely_collabor...
- General productivity
user<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_us...
I would say that especially identi.ca (from my experience there, I admit my
personal feed is pretty pre-selected but nonetheless) fits all of these to a
great extend. I think especially identi.ca can be an awesome PR tool for
Fedora. I personally got probably 20+ people on there trying Fedora in the
last 3 months alone. It's a very friendly audience to our cause. :)
Hi Fab,
We already use identi.ca as our source for microblogging. It feeds to
our Twitter account.
--
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9:51 a.m.
Oh, yeah, I know that. Sorry. What I was trying to say was that we shouldn't
neglect microblogging because I think it could be a very good PR resource
for us. Sorry if I was unclear....
Fab
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:27:16PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel
wrote:
> Hi, Paul!
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki:
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP
>
>
> From that page:
>
> While this is not necessarily the target audience for the
> distribution<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base>;,
> it is important to fit our messages to our perceived audience for the
medium
> of microblogging.
>
> Comparing that to:
>
>
> - Voluntary Linux
> consumer<
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_voluntary_Linux_consumer>
> - Computer-friendly<
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_computer-friendly>
> - Likely collaborator<
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_likely_collaborator>
> - General productivity
> user<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_user
>
>
>
> I would say that especially identi.ca (from my experience there, I admit
my
> personal feed is pretty pre-selected but nonetheless) fits all of these
to a
> great extend. I think especially identi.ca can be an awesome PR tool for
> Fedora. I personally got probably 20+ people on there trying Fedora in
the
> last 3 months alone. It's a very friendly audience to our cause. :)
Hi Fab,
We already use identi.ca as our source for microblogging. It feeds to
our Twitter account.
--
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11:15 a.m.
On 9 March 2011 15:51, Fabian A. Scherschel <fab(a)sixgun.org> wrote:
Oh, yeah, I know that. Sorry. What I was trying to say was that we
shouldn't
neglect microblogging because I think it could be a very good PR resource
for us. Sorry if I was unclear....
Fab
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:27:16PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
> > Hi, Paul!
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki:
> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP
> >
> >
> > From that page:
> >
> > While this is not necessarily the target audience for the
> > distribution<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base>;,
> > it is important to fit our messages to our perceived audience for the
> > medium
> > of microblogging.
> >
> > Comparing that to:
> >
> >
> > - Voluntary Linux
> >
> >
consumer<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_voluntary_Linux_con...
> > -
> >
Computer-friendly<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_computer-f...
> > - Likely
> >
collaborator<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_likely_collabor...
> > - General productivity
> >
> > user<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_us...
> >
> >
> > I would say that especially identi.ca (from my experience there, I admit
> > my
> > personal feed is pretty pre-selected but nonetheless) fits all of these
> > to a
> > great extend. I think especially identi.ca can be an awesome PR tool for
> > Fedora. I personally got probably 20+ people on there trying Fedora in
> > the
> > last 3 months alone. It's a very friendly audience to our cause. :)
>
> Hi Fab,
>
> We already use identi.ca as our source for microblogging. It feeds to
> our Twitter account.
>
> --
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The lack of microblogging was more down to the technical difficulties
we were having trying to find an alternative to HootSuite's
collaboration services, I think. I'm liking the idea of using a Drupal
module with FAS integration - How long will it take to get something
like that in place?
This lack of a collaboration feature is certainly a niche in the market ...
Thanks,
--
Luke Slater
:O)
11:18 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Luke Slater <tinmachin3(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The lack of microblogging was more down to the technical difficulties
we were having trying to find an alternative to HootSuite's
collaboration services, I think. I'm liking the idea of using a Drupal
module with FAS integration - How long will it take to get something
like that in place?
This lack of a collaboration feature is certainly a niche in the market ...
Have we looked into if Status.net is offering anything like that? Maybe an
enterprise feature but Evan is a cool guy and might give us a community
account...
Fab
3:06 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 06:18:01PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Luke Slater
<tinmachin3(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The lack of microblogging was more down to the technical difficulties
> we were having trying to find an alternative to HootSuite's
> collaboration services, I think. I'm liking the idea of using a Drupal
> module with FAS integration - How long will it take to get something
> like that in place?
>
> This lack of a collaboration feature is certainly a niche in the market ...
>
Have we looked into if Status.net is offering anything like that? Maybe an
enterprise feature but Evan is a cool guy and might give us a community
account...
As I think was mentioned before on this list...
http://status.net/open-source/issues/2947
Archives can be useful, I suggest you take a look at some of the
previous discussions we've had regarding microblogging... I recall
there were quite a few of them! :-)
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11:26 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:51:22PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
Oh, yeah, I know that. Sorry. What I was trying to say was that we
shouldn't
neglect microblogging because I think it could be a very good PR resource
for us. Sorry if I was unclear....
In that case... +2! The archives will show you what we were doing
before, and what broke down. Basically, we accepted a risk in using
an outside service to help power a team-based approach to
microblogging. The service "went away" for all intents and purposes,
so I've simply shipped out the password for the account to a number of
people on the team so they can agree on and share the load for doing
this work, according to the SOP.
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7:17 p.m.
On 03/02/2011 02:52 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out
the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to
each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable?
I would like to have access to that. I think there is a lot of
exciting development that we can spread the word on.
Rahul
10:09 p.m.
On 02-Mar-2011, at 2:52 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
OK, not really, but I got your attention.
But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically,
our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja
only without nunchucks or throwing stars.
In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire
value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours
dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a
non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes
open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal
alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well.
The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we
should endeavor to fix that.
I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term:
to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a
well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and
the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically
thanks to our existing FAS integration.
But... that doesn't help us *right now*.
AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of
identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there,
and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than
wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right
people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after
that (up to and including the idea above).
The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out
the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to
each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable?
--
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
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http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
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Hey,
Some time ago I wrote a script to update my twitter account from the CLI (using python and
the python-twitter library), it also has basic functions like search, follow, etc. I can
edit it and add identi.ca support to it as well (a very trivial change in api call) so it
can be used by you, and updates both the accounts at one time, and also you can still
remain free (It was released as GPLv3). It's hosted in my github account here :
https://github.com/hiemanshu/Tweeter
-H
P.S. : There is no GUI for it, I started writing one but stopped because there were
already too many GUI clients out there
9:42 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:39:08AM +0530, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote:
On 02-Mar-2011, at 2:52 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> OK, not really, but I got your attention.
>
> But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically,
> our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja
> only without nunchucks or throwing stars.
>
> In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire
> value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours
> dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a
> non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes
> open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal
> alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well.
>
> The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we
> should endeavor to fix that.
>
> I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term:
> to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a
> well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and
> the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically
> thanks to our existing FAS integration.
>
> But... that doesn't help us *right now*.
>
> AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of
> identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there,
> and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than
> wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right
> people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after
> that (up to and including the idea above).
>
> The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out
> the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to
> each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable?
>
Hey,
Some time ago I wrote a script to update my twitter account from the
CLI (using python and the python-twitter library), it also has basic
functions like search, follow, etc. I can edit it and add identi.ca
support to it as well (a very trivial change in api call) so it can
be used by you, and updates both the accounts at one time, and also
you can still remain free (It was released as GPLv3). It's hosted in
my github account here : https://github.com/hiemanshu/Tweeter
-H
P.S. : There is no GUI for it, I started writing one but stopped
because there were already too many GUI clients out there
This sounds like a great tool! However, it seems to provide the same
features as many other clients (GUI, CLI, addons for other apps). It
doesn't really address our current situation, which is that we can't
share access to a single account without just shipping a passphrase
around, nor can we generate any useful (?) metrics of how the
account's being used or consumed.
--
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