Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro

[Jef Spaleta]

Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for
Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of
the box in Fedora 9?

I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of
thing... but I've just utterly failed.  I was hoping to surprise
everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for
me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal
with open video content in a user accessible way.  I think miro is a
workable solution.  But I've failed to deliver.

So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help.

Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of
theora videos that miro understands as a channel?  It doesn't have to
be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast
Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak
torrent.  We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in
Fedora's people space.

Once we have that, we can figure out how best to host additional
screencast material as part of our Project communication strategy.  I
think doing torrents might make some sense, but we have to talk with
infrastructure concerning hosting space requirements.  And we'll have
to figure out how the access control model we want to use...well I
should say 'you' want to use. I'm very sure that the policy with
regard to editorial control of an official Fedora video feed should be
in the hands of the marketeers with input from docs and translators.

Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera
interviews and so on and so on.

So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to
get a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a
full discussion.

-jef

[Jonathan Roberts]

2008/5/21 Jeff Spaleta :
> Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for
> Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of
> the box in Fedora 9?
>
> I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of
> thing... but I've just utterly failed.  I was hoping to surprise
> everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for
> me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal
> with open video content in a user accessible way.  I think miro is a
> workable solution.  But I've failed to deliver.
>
> So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help.
>
> Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of
> theora videos that miro understands as a channel?  It doesn't have to
> be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast
> Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak
> torrent.  We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in
> Fedora's people space.

I'll happily have a crack at creating an rss feed based on the videos
in Paul's fedorapeople space, but I doubt I'll get to it until
tomorrow evening.

If anyone else wants to have a go, or take a crack at this, then feel
free to go for it!
> Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera
> interviews and so on and so on.

This is quite an exciting idea :)
> So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to
> get a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a
> full discussion.

No problem, we're all busy!

Best,

Jon

[Jonathan Roberts]

2008/5/21 Jonathan Roberts :
> 2008/5/21 Jeff Spaleta :
> > Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for
> > Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of
> > the box in Fedora 9?
> >
> > I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of
> > thing... but I've just utterly failed.  I was hoping to surprise
> > everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for
> > me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal
> > with open video content in a user accessible way.  I think miro is a
> > workable solution.  But I've failed to deliver.
> >
> > So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help.
> >
> > Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of
> > theora videos that miro understands as a channel?  It doesn't have to
> > be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast
> > Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak
> > torrent.  We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in
> > Fedora's people space.
>
> I'll happily have a crack at creating an rss feed based on the videos
> in Paul's fedorapeople space, but I doubt I'll get to it until
> tomorrow evening.

OK, it was easier than I thought :) Below is an rss feed that miro
will understand. I made the mistake of following through on the miro
process to see what happened, but changed the details so that it's not
linked to the fedora project (other than via my ugly mug!)

There are some extra items we could add to this, such as categories
and tags, but you can do that as you post it to miro. Also, we could
add an image such as the fedora logo or something special the art-team
might like to do for this...

Best,

Jon

--------------------------

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<rss version="2.0">
   <channel>
      <title>Fedora Project</title>
      <link>http://fedoraproject.org</link>
      <description>Find out all about the Fedora Project, from
screencast tutorials to video interviews with members of our
community.</description>
      <language>en-us</language>
      <pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <lastBuildDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT</lastBuildDate>
      <docs>http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification</docs>
      <managingEditor>[e-mail]</managingEditor>
      <webMaster>[e-mail]</webMaster>
      <item>
         <title>GVFS</title>
         <link>http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg</link>
         <description>Have you heard about Gnome's new GVFS system? It
lets you copy multiple files at once, queues transfers and keeps track
of everything you're doing in one neat window.</description>
         <pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT</pubDate>
     <enclosure url="http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg"
length="4064708" type="video/x-theora+ogg" />
         <guid>http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg</guid>
      </item>
   </channel>
</rss>

---------------------

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Wed, 21 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for
> Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of
> the box in Fedora 9?
>
> I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of
> thing... but I've just utterly failed.  I was hoping to surprise
> everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for
> me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal
> with open video content in a user accessible way.  I think miro is a
> workable solution.  But I've failed to deliver.
>
> So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help.
>
> Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of theora 
> videos that miro understands as a channel?  It doesn't have to be a huge 
> hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast Machine 
> implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak torrent.  We 
> should be able to demo a feed using video houses in Fedora's people 
> space.
>
> Once we have that, we can figure out how best to host additional 
> screencast material as part of our Project communication strategy.  I 
> think doing torrents might make some sense, but we have to talk with 
> infrastructure concerning hosting space requirements.  And we'll have to 
> figure out how the access control model we want to use...well I should 
> say 'you' want to use. I'm very sure that the policy with regard to 
> editorial control of an official Fedora video feed should be in the 
> hands of the marketeers with input from docs and translators.
>
> Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera 
> interviews and so on and so on.
>
> So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to get 
> a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a full 
> discussion.

If you can point me to:

(a) A cheatsheet on how to set this up;
(b) A couple of smallish videos;

I can give it a shot.  I'll put my personal web space on the line to get 
us started.

--g

[Jonathan Roberts]

> If you can point me to:
>
> (a) A cheatsheet on how to set this up;

This page:

http://www.getmiro.com/create/

Has links to all the miro related stuff, and this page:

http://www.getmiro.com/help/feeds.php

Has links to cheat sheets for the various RSS formats that they'll work with.
> (b) A couple of smallish videos;

For a couple of smallish videos, try
http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/
> I can give it a shot.  I'll put my personal web space on the line to get us
> started.
>
> --g
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[Jef Spaleta]

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts
 wrote:
> For a couple of smallish videos, try
> http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/

I wonder, how would our aggregator handle the xml file you just created?

Okay so its doable to write the xml by hand on a per submission basis
for a little bit while we only have a few clips.  It's going still a
pain in the ass to write the xml by hand long term. I guess we will
want a simple form based submission page that constructs the xml
entry. Assuming people can host their own videos for now in their
people space.

Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a screencasting jam
session at FUDCon with the aim of creating a handful of casts meant to
populate a first cut at a miro channel.  Maybe even do some low
quality webcam videos using cheese...sort of like candid interviews.
Place the theora vids into the fedora people space, and drop a
formatted email into this mailing list so someone, me perhaps, can
scrape them to produce an xml feed.  And of course I'm not going to be
there.

-jef

[Nicu Buculei]

Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a screencasting jam
> session at FUDCon with the aim of creating a handful of casts meant to
> populate a first cut at a miro channel.

If there is need for an initial set of videos, I can put up my Inkscape 
and GIMP screencasts, but they do not have a sound track (and will not 
get one *from me*, I may be more or less bad at writing English, but, 
trust me, I am absolutely awful at *speaking* it).

[Jef Spaleta]

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Nicu Buculei  wrote:
> If there is need for an initial set of videos, I can put up my Inkscape and
> GIMP screencasts, but they do not have a sound track (and will not get one
> *from me*, I may be more or less bad at writing English, but, trust me, I am
> absolutely awful at *speaking* it).

Excellent!  And if you want to add a soundtrack, just speak in your
native language.  We are global after all.  If people want to
translate it into English and offer an English version...we can play
with that too.  I don't want to sweat all the details initially. Let's
just get some theora content into a dogfoodable miro stream, and then
once we've got a little experience with it we'll have a better idea of
how to organize things optimally for the F10 release timeframe.

-jef

[Nicu Buculei]

Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Nicu Buculei  wrote:
> > If there is need for an initial set of videos, I can put up my Inkscape and
> > GIMP screencasts, but they do not have a sound track (and will not get one
> > *from me*, I may be more or less bad at writing English, but, trust me, I am
> > absolutely awful at *speaking* it).
>
> Excellent!  And if you want to add a soundtrack, just speak in your
> native language.  We are global after all.

Since fedorapeople.org has a disk quota which I don't want to exceed, 
here are the screencasts on my personal space (Dreamhost, not that bad 
as a hosting solution, probably can take the load) 
http://howto.nicubunu.ro/video/

[brendon]

excellant idea Jeff, this would be good especially for people like
myself who can't get to the FUDCon, and would like to see it and find
out whats going on.
> Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see a screencasting jam
> session at FUDCon with the aim of creating a handful of casts meant to
> populate a first cut at a miro channel.  Maybe even do some low
> quality webcam videos using cheese...sort of like candid interviews.
> Place the theora vids into the fedora people space, and drop a
> formatted email into this mailing list so someone, me perhaps, can
> scrape them to produce an xml feed.  And of course I'm not going to be
> there.
>
> -jef

[Jef Spaleta]

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 10:28 PM, brendon  wrote:
> excellant idea Jeff, this would be good especially for people like
> myself who can't get to the FUDCon, and would like to see it and find
> out whats going on.

Don't get your hopes too high.  To get a lot of fudcon video up on a
feed, we are going to need a way to host long vids. The fedorapeople
space isn't going to work well for FUDCon session videos.

If we want to video FUDCon sessions we need to do the following:
First we need to test a Fedora specific miro feed with small videos...
which is what I'm focused on right now.
Then we need to test that feed using torrents for a couple of longer videos.
Then we need to see if we an make room on our torrent server for
FUDCon session videos from this year...this is what I'm not sure
about.
Then we need people to record those videos and upload them to the
torrent server.
...
profit.

Actually... don't we have old FUDCon videos on the torrent server
right now? We could test a miro feed using those torrents as the
target url.

I'm not setting my hopes that high, if people can pull the resources
together to make it all happen..great!  But I'm not going to be
disappointed if we don't get all of that done this time around.  I'm
aiming for a series of shorter videos, that people can easily host on
the fedora people space. And I'd settle for people just getting
together in a room at FUDCon and organizing a plan to make a Fedora
branded miro channel a workable 'Feature' for F10.

-jef"FYI, conference rates are cheap in Alaska in the
Winter..something to think about for F10"spaleta

[Valent Turkovic]

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for
> Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of
> the box in Fedora 9?
>
> I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of
> thing... but I've just utterly failed.  I was hoping to surprise
> everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for
> me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal
> with open video content in a user accessible way.  I think miro is a
> workable solution.  But I've failed to deliver.
>
> So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help.
>
> Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of
> theora videos that miro understands as a channel?  It doesn't have to
> be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast
> Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak
> torrent.  We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in
> Fedora's people space.
>
> Once we have that, we can figure out how best to host additional
> screencast material as part of our Project communication strategy.  I
> think doing torrents might make some sense, but we have to talk with
> infrastructure concerning hosting space requirements.  And we'll have
> to figure out how the access control model we want to use...well I
> should say 'you' want to use. I'm very sure that the policy with
> regard to editorial control of an official Fedora video feed should be
> in the hands of the marketeers with input from docs and translators.
>
> Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera
> interviews and so on and so on.
>
> So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to
> get a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a
> full discussion.
>
> -jef
>
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I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just
where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language
(english and croatian).

Cheers,
Valent.

[Indrayana MB.]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Valent Turkovic 
wrote:
> I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just
> where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language
> (english and croatian).
>
> Cheers,
> Valent.
>
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> ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic

Hi Valent,

I'm very interested with your work and I think I can used it to promote FOSS
especially Fedora in my country.
Is your videos already done?
Would you send it to my email address the english version?
Thank you for your kindnest attention.

best regards,
Indrayana MB.

[Nicu Buculei]

Indrayana MB. wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Valent Turkovic 
>     I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just
>     where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language
>     (english and croatian).
>
> I'm very interested with your work and I think I can used it to promote 
> FOSS especially Fedora in my country.
> Is your videos already done?

Here are a few videos made by Paul: 
http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/
> Would you send it to my email address the english version?

I think you want such links sent to the list, not only to your personal 
address, so we all can enjoy them.

[Jef Spaleta]

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Valent Turkovic
 wrote:
> I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just
> where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language
> (english and croatian).

We do not have a place dedicated to host videos.  For now, you can
keep short videos in your people.fedoraproject.org space.

As a first cut at organizing the videos, I imagine we could do
something similar to what we are doing now with the planet and have
individuals with videos create a short formatted file which describes
the videos they are making available and harvest that information from
people.fedoraproject.org and generate the appropriate miro feed
putting all the videos together.

-jef

[Valent Turkovic]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Valent Turkovic
>  wrote:
> > I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just
> > where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language
> > (english and croatian).
>
> We do not have a place dedicated to host videos.  For now, you can
> keep short videos in your people.fedoraproject.org space.
>
> As a first cut at organizing the videos, I imagine we could do
> something similar to what we are doing now with the planet and have
> individuals with videos create a short formatted file which describes
> the videos they are making available and harvest that information from
> people.fedoraproject.org and generate the appropriate miro feed
> putting all the videos together.
>
> -jef
>
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Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made.

Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that
will soon be obvious to you), I recoded these 3 short screencasts for
over 3 hours because it is much harder to make an English screencast
for non-english people. I also probably sound tired becase I did with
lots of tries and I got tired from it.

This is my first attempt at making Fedora screencasts and I hope to
rafine them. Especially I hope to work on text and my pronunciation.
These are not the final ones that I hope to "release into the wild" :)

Please give me all and any comments and suggestions you have. I'll
also make these in Croatian (my language).

Cheers,
Valent (Croatian Ambassador).

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:ValentTurkovic
http://valent.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/

[Jef Spaleta]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Valent Turkovic
 wrote:
> Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made.
>
> Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that
> will soon be obvious to you),

I can't expect everyone who has the ability to make video to be able
to do English audio.  We are going to have to work out a means of
providing a text transcript that can be translated and from which
additional audio tracks can be created based on that translation.
I've updated av-splice script to work with gst 0.10 and placed it on
the screencasting page.

I'll make you a deal. If you are willing to experiment with native
language videos and written transcripts I'll provide an English audio
track to replace the a Croatian audio track. If you want to, please
pick the tutorial subject you like best and produce a native language
audio theora and provide a rough english translation transcript as
text. Make sure the transscript includes timestamps indicated when
each of the sentences should start.  I will then use the written
transcript and create an English audio track that can replace the
Croatian track.  I'll even do a screencast of me doing it!

-jef

[Valent Turkovic]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Valent Turkovic
>  wrote:
> > Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made.
> >
> > Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that
> > will soon be obvious to you),
>
> I can't expect everyone who has the ability to make video to be able
> to do English audio.  We are going to have to work out a means of
> providing a text transcript that can be translated and from which
> additional audio tracks can be created based on that translation.
> I've updated av-splice script to work with gst 0.10 and placed it on
> the screencasting page.
>
> I'll make you a deal. If you are willing to experiment with native
> language videos and written transcripts I'll provide an English audio
> track to replace the a Croatian audio track. If you want to, please
> pick the tutorial subject you like best and produce a native language
> audio theora and provide a rough english translation transcript as
> text. Make sure the transscript includes timestamps indicated when
> each of the sentences should start.  I will then use the written
> transcript and create an English audio track that can replace the
> Croatian track.  I'll even do a screencast of me doing it!
>
> -jef

I accept! Let's do it. Can you please comment on my current
screencasts, do you feel that these basic tutorials are needed. Is it
better for this project that me and other contributors better use
their energy in making screencasts of some "higher" fedora features or
is it ok to start from the beginning. I believe that some people would
benefit with explanation of atleast what are the elements od the
desktop they are seeing (GNOME) and then take it from there do to more
advanced things.

Cheers,
Valent

.

[Jef Spaleta]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Valent Turkovic
 wrote:
> I accept! Let's do it. Can you please comment on my current
> screencasts, do you feel that these basic tutorials are needed.

I'm deliberately not going to comment on the value of any specific
topic.  I am overly critical, to a fault, and to be quite frank I
don't think I've earned the right to judge the value of any effort put
forth. I might have helped shaped the discussion, and encouraged
people to do these screencasts, but I'm not the one doing them so I
should not be a judge as to their value on an individual basis.  I
appreciate and value any good faith effort to get the ball rolling.

I think the best judge of the value of a particular topic are going to
be the other people who are doing the work with feedback from the
target audience.  I am absolutely not the target audience.  I
personally gain no value in tutorial screencast,  but I see an immense
value in providing them to the user base as a way to lower the bar.

I'm happy to let people experiment for a couple of weeks and then
after FUDCon we can perhaps see a leader step forward and organize a
group of people who can do the work and evaluating the screencast idea
pool into a tasklist.   In fact it might be a very good idea for Greg
to hold a little screencast/video editors meeting at FUDCon to put a
focused roadmap together.  I really hate I can't make the FUDCon, I'll
be attending a work related conference.
> Is it
> better for this project that me and other contributors better use
> their energy in making screencasts of some "higher" fedora features or
> is it ok to start from the beginning. I believe that some people would
> benefit with explanation of atleast what are the elements od the
> desktop they are seeing (GNOME) and then take it from there do to more
> advanced things.

These are very good questions.  And I think these are questions that
will get more attention once we can show more people that doing these
things are possible and that its possible to distribute them to users
in a meaningful way.   Once we have a few of these, even if they are
the wrong topic out in a consumable fashion in Miro, I expect to see
significant feedback that will help shape the answers to these
questions.

-jef

[Valent Turkovic]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Valent Turkovic
>  wrote:
> > Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made.
> >
> > Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that
> > will soon be obvious to you),
>
> I can't expect everyone who has the ability to make video to be able
> to do English audio.  We are going to have to work out a means of
> providing a text transcript that can be translated and from which
> additional audio tracks can be created based on that translation.
> I've updated av-splice script to work with gst 0.10 and placed it on
> the screencasting page.
>
> I'll make you a deal. If you are willing to experiment with native
> language videos and written transcripts I'll provide an English audio
> track to replace the a Croatian audio track. If you want to, please
> pick the tutorial subject you like best and produce a native language
> audio theora and provide a rough english translation transcript as
> text. Make sure the transscript includes timestamps indicated when
> each of the sentences should start.  I will then use the written
> transcript and create an English audio track that can replace the
> Croatian track.  I'll even do a screencast of me doing it!
>
> -jef
>
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I remembered this RFE that I made some time ago:
RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do :)
- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171

Could this screencast project merge with that so that it becomes a
Fedora 10 feature? If there is little space on the Live CD on the DVD
there could be free space, right? On Live CD there could be just one
or two videos and the rest could be URL's to online videos (fedoratv?)
or a script that setup Miro with the right rss channel.

Cheers,
Valent.

[Clint Savage]

I remembered this RFE that I made some time ago:
> RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do :)
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171
>
> Could this screencast project merge with that so that it becomes a
> Fedora 10 feature? If there is little space on the Live CD on the DVD
> there could be free space, right? On Live CD there could be just one
> or two videos and the rest could be URL's to online videos (fedoratv?)
> or a script that setup Miro with the right rss channel.
>
> Valent,

I think that's a great idea.  Get a couple, small screencasts right near the
desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot.  Besides, these videos are pretty small.
What's a few megabytes between friends?

Cheers,

Clint

[Rahul Sundaram]

Clint Savage wrote:
> I think that's a great idea.  Get a couple, small screencasts right near 
> the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot.  Besides, these videos are pretty 
> small.  What's a few megabytes between friends?

Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which 
applications to remove.

Rahul

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Clint Savage wrote:
> > I think that's a great idea.  Get a couple, small screencasts right near 
> > the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot.  Besides, these videos are pretty 
> > small.  What's a few megabytes between friends?
>
> Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which applications 
> to remove.

Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for 
single-function live images.

--g

[Nicu Buculei]

Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Clint Savage wrote:
> > > I think that's a great idea.  Get a couple, small screencasts right 
> > > near the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot.  Besides, these videos are 
> > > pretty small.  What's a few megabytes between friends?
> >
> > Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which 
> > applications to remove.
>
> Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for 
> single-function live images.

But I thought the idea is to put those few and small videos on the most 
used spin (Desktop Live CD?) to let the hordes of users know about our 
multimedia capabilities.

And another disk is something like CCLiveContent, with a minimal RPM set 
and as much content crammed inside as possible.

[Clint Savage]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Nicu Buculei 
wrote:
> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >
> > Clint Savage wrote:
> > > > I think that's a great idea.  Get a couple, small screencasts right near
> > > > the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot.  Besides, these videos are pretty small.
> > > >  What's a few megabytes between friends?
> > >
> > > Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which
> > > applications to remove.
> >
> > Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for
> > single-function live images.
>
> But I thought the idea is to put those few and small videos on the most
> used spin (Desktop Live CD?) to let the hordes of users know about our
> multimedia capabilities.

I agree with Nicu on this.  I think there's reason to justify something like
5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora.  I did the cheese demo
and it
was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no more
than 5MB.  I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have to
remove *one* thing.
What if this was on the install DVD to start?  Maybe having Miro installed
in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel preloaded?

Cheers,

Clint

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Clint Savage wrote:
> What if this was on the install DVD to start?  Maybe having Miro 
> installed in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel 
> preloaded?

I like this idea.  Corresponding with Miro devs now to figure out why our 
attempts to upload feeds have been breaking.

--g

[Valent Turkovic]

2008/6/12 Clint Savage :
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Nicu Buculei 
> wrote:
> > Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > > Clint Savage wrote:
> > > > > I think that's a great idea.  Get a couple, small screencasts right
> > > > > near the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot.  Besides, these videos are pretty
> > > > > small.  What's a few megabytes between friends?
> > > >
> > > > Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which
> > > > applications to remove.
> > >
> > > Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for
> > > single-function live images.
> >
> > But I thought the idea is to put those few and small videos on the most
> > used spin (Desktop Live CD?) to let the hordes of users know about our
> > multimedia capabilities.
>
> I agree with Nicu on this.  I think there's reason to justify something like
> 5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora.  I did the cheese demo
> and it
> was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no more
> than 5MB.  I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have to
> remove *one* thing.
> What if this was on the install DVD to start?  Maybe having Miro installed
> in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel preloaded?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Clint

This sounds like a great idea! How would users be notified that there
is Miro with a rss Fedora chanell setup for them? Some short readme on
the desktop? A short video showing using Miro with Fedora channel?
Some html page readme on first firefox startup? Nothing of the above?
Something totally different?

Cheers,
Valent.

[Clint Savage]

> > I agree with Nicu on this.  I think there's reason to justify something
>
> like
> > 5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora.  I did the cheese
>
> demo
> > and it
> > was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no
>
> more
> > than 5MB.  I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have to
> > remove *one* thing.
> > What if this was on the install DVD to start?  Maybe having Miro
>
> installed
> > in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel preloaded?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Clint
>
> This sounds like a great idea! How would users be notified that there
> is Miro with a rss Fedora chanell setup for them? Some short readme on
> the desktop? A short video showing using Miro with Fedora channel?
> Some html page readme on first firefox startup? Nothing of the above?
> Something totally different?

I was thinking we could do another one of those rotating ads like on the
fedoraproject.org main page.  You know, the ones with Paul's face or when a
release gets close?
I'm not a big fan of the 'pop something up when they login' idea of
Microsoft lore, but maybe there's a less intrusive way to get it onto the
desktop.  We could just drop an
icon on the desktop that says 'Getting Started with Fedora' which would
launch Miro and put them into the Fedora rss feed directly?  I'm not 100%
sure I like this idea, but
its a thought.

Cheers,

Clint

[Nayyar Ahmad]

2008/6/13 Clint Savage :
> > > I agree with Nicu on this.  I think there's reason to justify something
> >
> > like
> > > 5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora.  I did the cheese
> >
> > demo
> > > and it
> > > was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no
> >
> > more
> > > than 5MB.  I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have
> >
> > to
> > > remove *one* thing.
> > > What if this was on the install DVD to start?  Maybe having Miro
> >
> > installed
> > > in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel preloaded?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Clint
> >
> > This sounds like a great idea! How would users be notified that there
> > is Miro with a rss Fedora chanell setup for them? Some short readme on
> > the desktop? A short video showing using Miro with Fedora channel?
> > Some html page readme on first firefox startup? Nothing of the above?
> > Something totally different?
>
> I was thinking we could do another one of those rotating ads like on the
> fedoraproject.org main page.  You know, the ones with Paul's face or when
> a release gets close?
> I'm not a big fan of the 'pop something up when they login' idea of
> Microsoft lore, but maybe there's a less intrusive way to get it onto the
> desktop.  We could just drop an
> icon on the desktop that says 'Getting Started with Fedora' which would
> launch Miro and put them into the Fedora rss feed directly?  I'm not 100%
> sure I like this idea, but
> its a thought.

+1
yeah to me its a nice idea !
> Cheers,
>
> Clint
>
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