FM & FWN

[Jonathan Roberts]

Having just republished FWN 147 on FM, I now intend to put up this
post containing some notes and request for feedback on how we're
approaching it. Trying to keep in line with some of my own suggestions
about what we should post outside of the core content, I'm pasting the
content here to give people a chance to comment before I post it.

Obviously we'll need a more long term solution, but thoughts and
feedback welcome :) I'll probably give it until lunchtime here,
(GMT+1) before I go ahead and hit publish.

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Having just republished issue 147 of Fedora Weekly News here on Fedora
Magazine, I want to take the chance to provide some notes about how
we're approaching this, as well as to ask for some feedback.

Firstly, FWN has its own category here, 'Fedora Weekly News', and as
such has its own feed. This means that all those who've been waiting
for a FWN feed to subscribe to can now point their feed readers at:

http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/category/fedora-weekly-news/feed/

Although this feed address will change if/when we move to Fedora's
infrastructure, I don't anticipate this happening for a while and I
will be sure to make it very clear when it does.

Secondly, and this is where I'd like feedback, FWN was not reformatted
at all from the wiki. While WordPress did a great job at converting
all of the existing formatting, I'd like to know if people would
prefer it in any other formats. This could include anything from
header styles, page breaks, inline links... the list goes on.

So, let us know what you think about how we're approaching the
republication of FWN by leaving a comment to this post.

[Nicu Buculei]

Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  
>  Secondly, and this is where I'd like feedback, FWN was not reformatted
>  at all from the wiki. While WordPress did a great job at converting
>  all of the existing formatting, I'd like to know if people would
>  prefer it in any other formats. This could include anything from
>  header styles, page breaks, inline links... the list goes on. 
Well, if you ask about the layout, I have a few complaints about the 
general layout:
- I think I could read better the text with a slightly larger font;
- the center column is to narrow and hard to read (about 420px, meaning 
about 11 cm on my 43.5 cm wide display);
- you have a "blogroll" sidebox with a link to fp.o. I think blogroll is 
more like a list of blogs, so either leave its name as "blogroll" and 
link there to blogs (planet fedora, red hat magazine, etc.) or rename it 
to "links" and leave the fp.o link in place (very useful to have). Or 
maybe have both boxes?
- I know this require some (a lot of?) work, but I would like to see FM 
using a theme close the theme used on the other Fedora websites.

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[Jonathan Roberts]

2008/10/14 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;:
>  Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> >
> > Secondly, and this is where I'd like feedback, FWN was not reformatted
> > at all from the wiki. While WordPress did a great job at converting
> > all of the existing formatting, I'd like to know if people would
> > prefer it in any other formats. This could include anything from
> > header styles, page breaks, inline links... the list goes on.
>
>  Well, if you ask about the layout, I have a few complaints about the general
>  layout:
>  - I think I could read better the text with a slightly larger font;
>  - the center column is to narrow and hard to read (about 420px, meaning
>  about 11 cm on my 43.5 cm wide display);
>  - you have a "blogroll" sidebox with a link to fp.o. I think blogroll is
>  more like a list of blogs, so either leave its name as "blogroll" and link
>  there to blogs (planet fedora, red hat magazine, etc.) or rename it to
>  "links" and leave the fp.o link in place (very useful to have). Or maybe
>  have both boxes?
>  - I know this require some (a lot of?) work, but I would like to see FM
>  using a theme close the theme used on the other Fedora websites. 
The comments you've made here are very true. I actually have a
wordpress fedora theme, but you can't apply custom themes on
wordpress.com blogs without paying. As this is a test, maybe I should
add a beta tag somewhere, I don't think I'll get that applied (plus
I'm short on cash!).

As for the font and too narrow center column, I'll switch to a
different theme that should help.

Also, agreed with the blogroll comments and I'll fix that now, while
publishing this post.
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[Pascal Calarco]

Hi Jonathan --

Its great to see this up -- kudos!  I am cc'ing the fedora-news-list 
here as well, so they can also provide feedback.  Responders: please 
include both fedora-news-list and fedora-marketing-list in your 
responses, to keep everyone in the discussion.

FWN tends to be a bit long, so if there is a way we could automate 
building a pseudo table of contents like the wiki does, that would be a 
great help.  If this is not easy to do, if we could somehow distinguish 
one beat from another, this would help break it up, perhaps adding a 
<HR> at the end of each section, preceeding the next beat.  Along these 
lines, I might suggest that we widen the text area column, which will 
reduce the length of the page, or select a theme that utilizes more of 
the screen.

It looks like in some of the references, a tab has been inserted, moving 
over the URL to the right?  We can check to see if this is coming from 
the source or if it is being introduced in the conversion, but this 
should be corrected, as it looks sloppy.  I think it is a paragraph rule 
where the URL exceeds the first line length, since all of the URLs on 
the page exhibiting this have longer URLs.

Thanks again, Jonathan!  Its exciting to see this coming together!

   - pascal

Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  Having just republished FWN 147 on FM, I now intend to put up this
>  post containing some notes and request for feedback on how we're
>  approaching it. Trying to keep in line with some of my own suggestions
>  about what we should post outside of the core content, I'm pasting the
>  content here to give people a chance to comment before I post it.
>  
>  Obviously we'll need a more long term solution, but thoughts and
>  feedback welcome :) I'll probably give it until lunchtime here,
>  (GMT+1) before I go ahead and hit publish.
>  
>  ------------------------
>  
>  Having just republished issue 147 of Fedora Weekly News here on Fedora
>  Magazine, I want to take the chance to provide some notes about how
>  we're approaching this, as well as to ask for some feedback.
>  
>  Firstly, FWN has its own category here, 'Fedora Weekly News', and as
>  such has its own feed. This means that all those who've been waiting
>  for a FWN feed to subscribe to can now point their feed readers at:
>  
>  http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/category/fedora-weekly-news/feed/
>  
>  Although this feed address will change if/when we move to Fedora's
>  infrastructure, I don't anticipate this happening for a while and I
>  will be sure to make it very clear when it does.
>  
>  Secondly, and this is where I'd like feedback, FWN was not reformatted
>  at all from the wiki. While WordPress did a great job at converting
>  all of the existing formatting, I'd like to know if people would
>  prefer it in any other formats. This could include anything from
>  header styles, page breaks, inline links... the list goes on.
>  
>  So, let us know what you think about how we're approaching the
>  republication of FWN by leaving a comment to this post.
>   
-- 
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University of Notre Dame/
Michiana Academic Library Consortium
Notre Dame, IN USA 46556
http://www.library.nd.edu
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[Steven Moix]

On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:10 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:

>  Firstly, FWN has its own category here, 'Fedora Weekly News',
> and as
>  such has its own feed. This means that all those who've been waiting
>  for a FWN feed to subscribe to can now point their feed readers at:
>  
>  http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/category/fedora-weekly-news/feed/
>  
>  Although this feed address will change if/when we move to Fedora's
>  infrastructure, I don't anticipate this happening for a while and I
>  will be sure to make it very clear when it does. 
Talking about feeds, the FWN feed in Liferea (in F9 at least) points to
http://fedora-tchung.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default and stops at issue
128. It would have been a good idea to publish a last post in this feed
with a notice to change the URL. A standard user isn't going to actively
seek a new FWN feed IMO.

Steven

[Nicu Buculei]

Steven Moix wrote:
>  
>  Talking about feeds, the FWN feed in Liferea (in F9 at least) points to
>  http://fedora-tchung.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default and stops at issue
>  128. It would have been a good idea to publish a last post in this feed
>  with a notice to change the URL. A standard user isn't going to actively
>  seek a new FWN feed IMO. 
That was the personal blog of Thomas Chung, the former lead of FWN... we 
have no way on writing on his blog... maybe an email to him asking 
nicely for such a post?

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my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro

[Steven Moix]

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 18:21 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
>  Steven Moix wrote:
>  > 
>  > Talking about feeds, the FWN feed in Liferea (in F9 at least) points to
>  > http://fedora-tchung.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default and stops at issue
>  > 128. It would have been a good idea to publish a last post in this feed
>  > with a notice to change the URL. A standard user isn't going to actively
>  > seek a new FWN feed IMO.
>  
>  That was the personal blog of Thomas Chung, the former lead of FWN... we 
>  have no way on writing on his blog... maybe an email to him asking 
>  nicely for such a post? 
Done, I contacted him.

Steven

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 11:08 +0200, Steven Moix wrote:
>  On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:10 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  
>  > Firstly, FWN has its own category here, 'Fedora Weekly News', and as
>  > such has its own feed. This means that all those who've been waiting
>  > for a FWN feed to subscribe to can now point their feed readers at:
>  > 
>  > http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/category/fedora-weekly-news/feed/
>  > 
>  > Although this feed address will change if/when we move to Fedora's
>  > infrastructure, I don't anticipate this happening for a while and I
>  > will be sure to make it very clear when it does.
>  
>  Talking about feeds, the FWN feed in Liferea (in F9 at least) points to
>  http://fedora-tchung.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default and stops at issue
>  128. It would have been a good idea to publish a last post in this feed
>  with a notice to change the URL. A standard user isn't going to actively
>  seek a new FWN feed IMO. 
You may want to file this as a bug against Liferea in rawhide.  IIRC
Brian Pepple maintains that package so I'm cc'ing him for good measure.
He'll let me know if I'm dead wrong.

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[Steven Moix]

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:07 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 11:08 +0200, Steven Moix wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:10 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  > 
>  > > Firstly, FWN has its own category here, 'Fedora Weekly News', and as
>  > > such has its own feed. This means that all those who've been waiting
>  > > for a FWN feed to subscribe to can now point their feed readers at:
>  > > 
>  > > http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/category/fedora-weekly-news/feed/
>  > > 
>  > > Although this feed address will change if/when we move to Fedora's
>  > > infrastructure, I don't anticipate this happening for a while and I
>  > > will be sure to make it very clear when it does.
>  > 
>  > Talking about feeds, the FWN feed in Liferea (in F9 at least) points to
>  > http://fedora-tchung.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default and stops at issue
>  > 128. It would have been a good idea to publish a last post in this feed
>  > with a notice to change the URL. A standard user isn't going to actively
>  > seek a new FWN feed IMO.
>  
>  You may want to file this as a bug against Liferea in rawhide.  IIRC
>  Brian Pepple maintains that package so I'm cc'ing him for good measure.
>  He'll let me know if I'm dead wrong. 
Done: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467083

Steven

[Brian Pepple]

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:07 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 11:08 +0200, Steven Moix wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:10 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  > 
>  > > Firstly, FWN has its own category here, 'Fedora Weekly News', and as
>  > > such has its own feed. This means that all those who've been waiting
>  > > for a FWN feed to subscribe to can now point their feed readers at:
>  > > 
>  > > http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/category/fedora-weekly-news/feed/
>  > > 
>  > > Although this feed address will change if/when we move to Fedora's
>  > > infrastructure, I don't anticipate this happening for a while and I
>  > > will be sure to make it very clear when it does.
>  > 
>  > Talking about feeds, the FWN feed in Liferea (in F9 at least) points to
>  > http://fedora-tchung.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default and stops at issue
>  > 128. It would have been a good idea to publish a last post in this feed
>  > with a notice to change the URL. A standard user isn't going to actively
>  > seek a new FWN feed IMO.
>  
>  You may want to file this as a bug against Liferea in rawhide.  IIRC
>  Brian Pepple maintains that package so I'm cc'ing him for good measure.
>  He'll let me know if I'm dead wrong. 
I no longer maintainer it (since I started using Google Reader), but if
the current maintainer needs help fixing it I'm willing to help out.

Later,
/B
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