11:06 a.m.
While at SELF over the weekend i caught a bit of text from quaid on
IRC in #fedora-mktg - talking about coming up with a more logical name
for Fedora Summer of code.
12:04 < quaid> ooh
12:04 < quaid> have we tried our hand at branding fun yet?
12:04 < quaid> i.e. ...
12:04 < quaid> I have a summer program for students to contribute to Fedora
12:04 < quaid> what should I call it?
12:04 < quaid> :)
12:05 * quaid just realized that he has this group to brainstorm with
12:05 < quaid> I think this calls for Email
12:30 < rbergeron> quaid: that kind of thing - i absolutely love thinking up
clever - and unique - names for things
12:30 < quaid> sweet
12:31 < quaid> yeah, we've already broken the name with the reality this
summer, and then what do we do in the winter that is really summer
somewhere else?
12:31 < quaid> summer coding has one student who is ... writing a guide.
12:32 < quaid> so real content (finally!) as a student program :)
And so - I got busy thinking, haven't come up with much yet, but had a
few things...
FLIP - Fedora Learning Immersion Program (or project?)
Fedora Open Source Student Immersion
Yeah, so it's not that great of a list. Usually I do better... usually
I have a few more hours of sleep under my belt.
I think two things are key here: 1 - We want to try and get rid of the
"summer" aspect - as it's not always summer for people. 2 - I think
removing "code" is wise as well - students doing documentation and so
forth are certainly not excluded.
I like to cluster together words though when I'm doing this type of
thing. Here's a list of what I came up with - does anyone else have
anything to add?
Fedora
Open source
open source way
Freedom
leaders of tomorrow
students
pupil
scholar
immersion
learning
knowledge
-Robyn
4:41 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 09:06:08AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
While at SELF over the weekend i caught a bit of text from quaid on
IRC in #fedora-mktg - talking about coming up with a more logical name
for Fedora Summer of code.
And here you fell in to my carefully laid trap of using The Trademark
That Must Not Be Used. Mwuhaha!
We started calling our GSoC activities "summer coding" (lower case) so
that we could genericize our activities while still making a clear
connection back to the Summer of Code(TM). This started a few years
ago.
Now it creates confusion and is inaccurate. The confusion of Fedora
Summer coding with Google Summer of Code is a clear first reason for a
new and better name.
A second reason is that we are already doing more than code (Fedora
Musicians' Guide is happening this #FSC2010, and it's a guide about
using music software -- clearly in the free content realm.) Also, we
plan to stretch in to the summer season for the southern hemisphere,
which doesn't make a good acronym - Fedora Summer Coding for the
Southern Hemisphere (FSCSH). *ick*
And so - I got busy thinking, haven't come up with much yet, but
had a
few things...
FLIP - Fedora Learning Immersion Program (or project?)
Fedora Open Source Student Immersion
FLIP?
FLOP?
FOSSIL?
Fedora Student JAM? (Just A Month)
FISH? (Fedora Interning Students Helping)
Yeah, so it's not that great of a list. Usually I do better...
usually
I have a few more hours of sleep under my belt.
I think two things are key here: 1 - We want to try and get rid of the
"summer" aspect - as it's not always summer for people. 2 - I think
removing "code" is wise as well - students doing documentation and so
forth are certainly not excluded.
I've been toying with the value of 'contribution' as a primary to move
toward OR away from. The idea of receiving payment for a contribution
seems contrary, even though that's not really what's happening
The student is being given a stipend to learn how to participate in
open source, and the currency of open source is the contribution. The
hard cash currency of a stipend is to buy the luxury of time for the
student to learn how to generate, collect, and give contribution
currency.
Many of us learn how to generate contributions in our spare time (I
did, even though I was working for Red Hat at the time), and that's
because we usually have something that is a primary time thing that
makes us enough money to have the spare time. This student summer
break program is designed to create a similar support in what is a
concentrated amount of spare time (the longer summer season break from
school.)
I like to cluster together words though when I'm doing this type
of
thing. Here's a list of what I came up with - does anyone else have
anything to add?
Fedora
Open source
open source way
Freedom
leaders of tomorrow
students
pupil
scholar
immersion
learning
knowledge
+
participation
contribution
community
leadership
training
intern
short
meaningful
global
quid pro quo
artist in residence
apprentice in residence :)
Fedora Apprentice Program (FAP) ...
One final thought, since we run it 2x per year, do we differentiate in
the naming somehow between the sessions? Hard to call them by year
since one crosses the calendar year barrier. Session 1 and Session 2
might do it. We might also want to consider how some students will
work /across/ sessions, either individually (sequential summers) or as
groups (hand-off from Session 1 to Session 2) in terms of "should
there be a differentiation in naming between sessions."
- Karsten
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5:06 p.m.
New subject: Brainstorming - A more representative name for Fedora Summer of Code
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 09:06:08AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> While at SELF over the weekend i caught a bit of text from quaid on
> IRC in #fedora-mktg - talking about coming up with a more logical name
> for Fedora Summer of code.
And here you fell in to my carefully laid trap of using The Trademark
That Must Not Be Used. Mwuhaha!
We started calling our GSoC activities "summer coding" (lower case) so
that we could genericize our activities while still making a clear
connection back to the Summer of Code(TM). This started a few years
ago.
Now it creates confusion and is inaccurate. The confusion of Fedora
Summer coding with Google Summer of Code is a clear first reason for a
new and better name.
A second reason is that we are already doing more than code (Fedora
Musicians' Guide is happening this #FSC2010, and it's a guide about
using music software -- clearly in the free content realm.) Also, we
plan to stretch in to the summer season for the southern hemisphere,
which doesn't make a good acronym - Fedora Summer Coding for the
Southern Hemisphere (FSCSH). *ick*
> And so - I got busy thinking, haven't come up with much yet, but had a
> few things...
>
> FLIP - Fedora Learning Immersion Program (or project?)
> Fedora Open Source Student Immersion
FLIP?
FLOP?
FOSSIL?
Fedora Student JAM? (Just A Month)
FISH? (Fedora Interning Students Helping)
> Yeah, so it's not that great of a list. Usually I do better... usually
> I have a few more hours of sleep under my belt.
>
> I think two things are key here: 1 - We want to try and get rid of the
> "summer" aspect - as it's not always summer for people. 2 - I think
> removing "code" is wise as well - students doing documentation and so
> forth are certainly not excluded.
I've been toying with the value of 'contribution' as a primary to move
toward OR away from. The idea of receiving payment for a contribution
seems contrary, even though that's not really what's happening
The student is being given a stipend to learn how to participate in
open source, and the currency of open source is the contribution. The
hard cash currency of a stipend is to buy the luxury of time for the
student to learn how to generate, collect, and give contribution
currency.
Many of us learn how to generate contributions in our spare time (I
did, even though I was working for Red Hat at the time), and that's
because we usually have something that is a primary time thing that
makes us enough money to have the spare time. This student summer
break program is designed to create a similar support in what is a
concentrated amount of spare time (the longer summer season break from
school.)
> I like to cluster together words though when I'm doing this type of
> thing. Here's a list of what I came up with - does anyone else have
> anything to add?
>
> Fedora
> Open source
> open source way
> Freedom
> leaders of tomorrow
> students
> pupil
> scholar
> immersion
> learning
> knowledge
+
participation
contribution
community
leadership
training
intern
short
meaningful
global
quid pro quo
artist in residence
apprentice in residence :)
Fedora Apprentice Program (FAP) ...
I will have a more concrete response here later, but I think we should
definitely avoid the FAP acronym. Please. :)
One final thought, since we run it 2x per year, do we differentiate in
the naming somehow between the sessions? Hard to call them by year
since one crosses the calendar year barrier. Session 1 and Session 2
might do it. We might also want to consider how some students will
work /across/ sessions, either individually (sequential summers) or as
groups (hand-off from Session 1 to Session 2) in terms of "should
there be a differentiation in naming between sessions."
- Karsten
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8:25 p.m.
The list thus far:
== Random name ideas ==
* FLIP - Fedora Learning Immersion Program (or project?)
* Fedora Open Source Student Immersion
* FLIP?
* FLOP?
* FOSSIL?
* Fedora Student JAM? (Just A Month)
* FISH? (Fedora Interning Students Helping)
== Clustered words of meaning ==
* Fedora
* Open source
* open source way
* Freedom
* leaders of tomorrow
* students
* pupil
* scholar
* immersion
* learning
* knowledge
* participation
* contribution
* community
* leadership
* training
* intern
* short
* meaningful
* global
* quid pro quo
* artist in residence
* apprentice in residence :)
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9:31 p.m.
New subject: Brainstorming - A more representative name for Fedora Summer of Code
* FISH? (Fedora Interning Students Helping)
+1
Seems very appropriate since that's really what it's all about.
Teaching them, and not doing for them.
Fedora Implements Software Hawtness (FISH) :-D
Cheers,
Clint
9:28 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 08:31:49PM -0600, Clint Savage wrote:
> * FISH? (Fedora Interning Students Helping)
+1
Seems very appropriate since that's really what it's all about.
Teaching them, and not doing for them.
I have a concern about acronyms that include Fedora in the cleverness,
as tempting as it is. For example, my FUDCon shirts do not feature
the Fedora brand -- they have a FUDCon sub-logo instead. This is good
for the FUDCon brand, but not as much for the Fedora brand.
Fedora FISH, for example, could it. Bonus if we can get a double
acronym that is nice to work with - Fedora ISH, or something, but
sounds kind of dorky. :)
What think ye, fellow marketing-minded folks? Should we avoid things
that make acronyms that disguise the Fedora name?
Another option is to go in a different direction from clever acronyms:
Fedora University
Fedora College
College of Fedora
Fedora Tree of Knowledge
Fedora Library of Alexandria
...
- Karsten
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11:17 a.m.
New subject: Brainstorming - A more representative name for Fedora Summer of Code
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 08:31:49PM -0600, Clint Savage wrote:
> > * FISH? (Fedora Interning Students Helping)
>
> +1
>
> Seems very appropriate since that's really what it's all about.
> Teaching them, and not doing for them.
I have a concern about acronyms that include Fedora in the cleverness,
as tempting as it is. For example, my FUDCon shirts do not feature
the Fedora brand -- they have a FUDCon sub-logo instead. This is good
for the FUDCon brand, but not as much for the Fedora brand.
Fedora FISH, for example, could it. Bonus if we can get a double
acronym that is nice to work with - Fedora ISH, or something, but
sounds kind of dorky. :)
What think ye, fellow marketing-minded folks? Should we avoid things
that make acronyms that disguise the Fedora name?
Another option is to go in a different direction from clever acronyms:
Fedora University
Fedora College
College of Fedora
Fedora Tree of Knowledge
Fedora Library of Alexandria
Be careful of terms like College or University. Depending on where
they are, they can be regulated and thus only able to be given to
accredited organizations. Also Fedora University College and
Knowledgebase is out of the question.
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Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University.
"We have a strategic plan. It's called doing things.""
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11:20 a.m.
New subject: Brainstorming - A more representative name for Fedora Summer of Code
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Karsten Wade
<kwade(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 08:31:49PM -0600, Clint Savage wrote:
>> > * FISH? (Fedora Interning Students Helping)
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Seems very appropriate since that's really what it's all about.
>> Teaching them, and not doing for them.
>
> I have a concern about acronyms that include Fedora in the cleverness,
> as tempting as it is. For example, my FUDCon shirts do not feature
> the Fedora brand -- they have a FUDCon sub-logo instead. This is good
> for the FUDCon brand, but not as much for the Fedora brand.
>
> Fedora FISH, for example, could it. Bonus if we can get a double
> acronym that is nice to work with - Fedora ISH, or something, but
> sounds kind of dorky. :)
>
> What think ye, fellow marketing-minded folks? Should we avoid things
> that make acronyms that disguise the Fedora name?
>
> Another option is to go in a different direction from clever acronyms:
>
> Fedora University
> Fedora College
> College of Fedora
> Fedora Tree of Knowledge
> Fedora Library of Alexandria
Be careful of terms like College or University. Depending on where
they are, they can be regulated and thus only able to be given to
accredited organizations. Also Fedora University College and
Knowledgebase is out of the question.
Oh, smooge, you just made my day :D
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Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University.
"We have a strategic plan. It's called doing things.""
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