So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day rolled around. But I digress....
I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora.
We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands on.
If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards.
-jef
I'm in. I do have some pictures already, going back to Core 1, of not only myself, but of various friends and an ex-g/f with Fedora swag or desktop i the background.
2008/5/22 CyberSpy cyberspy@fedora.redhat.com:
I'm in. I do have some pictures already, going back to Core 1, of not only myself, but of various friends and an ex-g/f with Fedora swag or desktop i the background.
I was hoping for a specific item, easily duplicated, that we could mandate be in all the pictures. One thing, one physical object, the same size and shape and color in every picture that is symbolic of the Fedora ideals. And the repeated use of that symbol itself in every single picture becomes a symbolic reference of the commitment each of the pictured individuals share.
-jef
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
I was hoping for a specific item, easily duplicated, that we could mandate be in all the pictures. One thing, one physical object, the same size and shape and color in every picture that is symbolic of the Fedora ideals. And the repeated use of that symbol itself in every single picture becomes a symbolic reference of the commitment each of the pictured individuals share.
We could do this after F10 and have a F10 Live CD. Or maybe that's too simple. -- ian
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com wrote:
We could do this after F10 and have a F10 Live CD. Or maybe that's too simple. -- ian
If you only wanted to do this for a single release...but i think this is a concept we want to repeat with every release making the object release specific isn't necessarily a good idea. I don't want to convey the idea that people are behind a specific release. I want to convey the idea that people are commit to Fedora the community project, not Fedora the release of bit.
There is also an advantage of making the pictures 'timeless' so that we can mix and match a subset of pictures from different Fedora tables/booths and use them in different contexts beyond a small coffee book printing.
-jef
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2008/5/22 CyberSpy cyberspy@fedora.redhat.com:
I'm in. I do have some pictures already, going back to Core 1, of not only myself, but of various friends and an ex-g/f with Fedora swag or desktop i the background.
I was hoping for a specific item, easily duplicated, that we could mandate be in all the pictures. One thing, one physical object, the same size and shape and color in every picture that is symbolic of the Fedora ideals. And the repeated use of that symbol itself in every single picture becomes a symbolic reference of the commitment each of the pictured individuals share.
How about a blue USB pen drive? Bonus point if the stick has a small Fedora logo printed on it.
Like this: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/bluepen.jpg (of course, a better photo, a more Fedora-ish blue and a little logo sticker added)
How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts (over our hearts) attached with a single pin
Alejandro Acosta
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day rolled around. But I digress....
I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora.
We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands on.
If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards.
-jef
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On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Alejandro Acosta aacosta@fedoraproject.org wrote:
How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts (over our hearts) attached with a single pin
If this isn't it... its definitely the right direction. My concern however with this particular object is that it might be too small to consistently photograph well. Especially how it would look sitting over the blue fedora polo-shirts or other fedora swag people might be wearing. It's so inexpensive that this could actually be attempted at an upcoming event where there is a Fedora booth to see how it looks.
But in general I like the direction. I like the idea of not using "the" fedora brand as the symbol. People can wear or not wear fedora branded swag or stickers as they see fit, when they have their candid taken with the object. In fact I would love to see pictures of people decked out in upstream swag without a single Fedora branded item in the picture, but holding the brand neutral symbol for the ideals of the Fedora project.
-jef
Well, there are two options I can think of :
we could complement the blue ribbon with a thinner White ribbon inside of it so it resembles (but is not the same as) the Fedora logo, or we can use indistinctly a White ribbon when wearing blue clothes
what do you guys think of this ?
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Alejandro Acosta aacosta@fedoraproject.org wrote:
How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts (over our hearts) attached with a single pin
If this isn't it... its definitely the right direction. My concern however with this particular object is that it might be too small to consistently photograph well. Especially how it would look sitting over the blue fedora polo-shirts or other fedora swag people might be wearing. It's so inexpensive that this could actually be attempted at an upcoming event where there is a Fedora booth to see how it looks.
But in general I like the direction. I like the idea of not using "the" fedora brand as the symbol. People can wear or not wear fedora branded swag or stickers as they see fit, when they have their candid taken with the object. In fact I would love to see pictures of people decked out in upstream swag without a single Fedora branded item in the picture, but holding the brand neutral symbol for the ideals of the Fedora project.
-jef
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On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 07:47 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Alejandro Acosta aacosta@fedoraproject.org wrote:
How about a Blue (Fedora blue of course) ribbon laced as the infinity symbol? It's easy, universal and we can easily use it on our shirts (over our hearts) attached with a single pin
If this isn't it... its definitely the right direction. My concern however with this particular object is that it might be too small to consistently photograph well. Especially how it would look sitting over the blue fedora polo-shirts or other fedora swag people might be wearing. It's so inexpensive that this could actually be attempted at an upcoming event where there is a Fedora booth to see how it looks.
But in general I like the direction. I like the idea of not using "the" fedora brand as the symbol. People can wear or not wear fedora branded swag or stickers as they see fit, when they have their candid taken with the object. In fact I would love to see pictures of people decked out in upstream swag without a single Fedora branded item in the picture, but holding the brand neutral symbol for the ideals of the Fedora project.
My personal opinion is that ribbons are tired, and wearing Fedora schwag or stickers would kind of defeat the point. Whatever the object is needs to attract the eye, so if it's something, say, blue, it would almost be better if there's no other blue around to detract from the image. (Although I'm sure any artist would potentially come up with a brilliant exception.)
What if we had a ceramic or something made of one of the blue speech balloons Mo Duffy designed? The *point* of it would be to be *empty*. Because Fedora is waiting for you to write your own story -- to personalize the community or the distro in some way, to leave or make your mark as desired.
This lends itself to something where the recipients of the picture -- *not* the originators -- can even write their own words into the balloon by scribbling on the picture, or editing the graphic. Isn't that remixing also part of the point? And the freedom that you have to do what you will with what we give you?
Ponder on this a bit, and let me know what you think.
On Fri, 23 May 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote:
My personal opinion is that ribbons are tired, and wearing Fedora schwag or stickers would kind of defeat the point. Whatever the object is needs to attract the eye, so if it's something, say, blue, it would almost be better if there's no other blue around to detract from the image. (Although I'm sure any artist would potentially come up with a brilliant exception.)
Grayscale photo with blue ribbon. -- ian
2008/5/23 Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com:
What if we had a ceramic or something made of one of the blue speech balloons Mo Duffy designed? The *point* of it would be to be *empty*. Because Fedora is waiting for you to write your own story -- to personalize the community or the distro in some way, to leave or make your mark as desired.
Could we fabricate these things for small cost so that ambassadors and other individuals could easily obtain them? We are too global to have a single physical object being shipped around for this to scale. I'd say speech balloon on a coffee mug, but coffee mugs are somewhat mundane.
If we made it a game, the rules would be write one word in the speech bubble in your native language that you think best matches the ideals of the Fedora project.
-jef"my word would be cylon"spaleta
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
Could we fabricate these things for small cost so that ambassadors and other individuals could easily obtain them? We are too global to have a single physical object being shipped around for this to scale. I'd say speech balloon on a coffee mug, but coffee mugs are somewhat mundane.
What about the components of the logo in any form not just one single object. The ribbon idea is an excellent example of how someone could represent the infinity symbol. Say several fedora members are going to get a bite to eat after a conference. They happen to walk by a sculpture in which the artist has incorporated an infinity symbol prominently. Instant opportunity to get their pictures in the book!
If we made it a game, the rules would be write one word in the speech bubble in your native language that you think best matches the ideals of the Fedora project.
I'd like to make it something that gets people always looking for (and thinking of) the core ideals. Think of people at a monument somewhere pointing to (or gimping a bubble around) some of the words of a famous speech about freedom. Is that a double ideal score?
If we were to go with a single item I do agree it needs to be cheep and easy to produce. Otherwise there won't be enough pictures to pull from and it will take forever to accumulate them. I kind of feel we should be revisiting the mascot discussion if we want an identifiable single object. I'm not sure I have the energy for that discussion.
Russell
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Russell Harrison rtlm10@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to make it something that gets people always looking for (and thinking of) the core ideals. Think of people at a monument somewhere pointing to (or gimping a bubble around) some of the words of a famous speech about freedom. Is that a double ideal score?
I really don't want to encourage photo editting. I actually prefer raw candids. And I really want a common physical object...because a common physical object is going to impose some general consistency on how things are framed and takes much effort out of the eventual editting down of the material into something like a book. If you encourage too much abstraction when you set up the parameters as to what you ask for, then you going to make it much more likely to end up with images you simply have to throw out for some reason.
You also need to realize that it might not actually be legal to take pictures of things like sculptures in some circumstances and use them in commercial ways without the owner or artist's permission. Knowing what is allowed can be complicated, and I'd really not encourage that sort of thing, and end up having to track down whether or not that object in the image is something we can reproduce a likeness of commercially. Totally not worth the pain.
If we do it.. the parameters need to be quite strict as to what we can accept. It needs to be reasonably framed (portrait framing we can give guidance on that... none of that 200 ft away next to a panoramic image stuff which focuses on the vista and not the people) individuals or small groups...who expressly give consent to have their images used under a CC license we prefer. It need to have a common physical object that we are sure can be photographed because we picked it. And as little else as possible that is distinguishable in the background that holds a risk of having its image protected for commercial use.
-jef
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
I really don't want to encourage photo editting. I actually prefer raw candids.
I do agree they make for better pictures for a coffee table book. I was kind of thinking that only a select number of things would be allowed. Say only the components from the logo for example. Anyway lets put that to the side and concentrate on raw pictures. We can always dust it off if there aren't enough submissions coming in.
And I really want a common physical object...because a common physical object is going to impose some general consistency on how things are framed and takes much effort out of the eventual editting down of the material into something like a book. If you encourage too much abstraction when you set up the parameters as to what you ask for, then you going to make it much more likely to end up with images you simply have to throw out for some reason.
It doesn't matter what the parameters are things are going to have to be thrown out. To have a quality final product we actually want to have to throw out the vast majority of submissions. Maybe something like a gallery site (already in the repos) would allow folks to vote on pictures so the choice wouldn't be a massive effort for one person or a few people.
You also need to realize that it might not actually be legal to take pictures of things like sculptures in some circumstances and use them in commercial ways without the owner or artist's permission. Knowing what is allowed can be complicated, and I'd really not encourage that sort of thing, and end up having to track down whether or not that object in the image is something we can reproduce a likeness of commercially. Totally not worth the pain.
I wasn't aware of that. I was under the impression that objects in public spaces were fair game. Sad to find out that isn't the case. :-( You're right that would be an awful lot of work and would take the fun out of the project.
Russell
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Russell Harrison rtlm10@gmail.com wrote:
I do agree they make for better pictures for a coffee table book. I was kind of thinking that only a select number of things would be allowed. Say only the components from the logo for example. Anyway lets put that to the side and concentrate on raw pictures. We can always dust it off if there aren't enough submissions coming in.
Nope fully disagree. I think we should be a specific as possible... and ask people to use a specific object or shape. I think the more abstract the pictures are..the less cohesive the concept. The point is not to collect random candids of people, just because they are people, even if they are our people. The point isn't to encourage people to be wacky and expressive in how they take their pictures. People could already be taking pictures like that and sharing them. I don't see the value in archiving all possible pictures from a project marketing standpoint. The point of this specific proposal it to draw attention to the symbolic relationships between people and our ideals. One object..repeated over and over and over again. Not 3 objects or 5 objects..or random objects. We stress the shared commitment through repetition of the single object as a single repeated symbol.
It doesn't matter what the parameters are things are going to have to be thrown out. To have a quality final product we actually want to have to throw out the vast majority of submissions. Maybe something like a gallery site (already in the repos) would allow folks to vote on pictures so the choice wouldn't be a massive effort for one person or a few people.
Again I disagree. The more constrained the parameters the more quality we get coming in the door and the less work for everyone who wants to make use of these images as tools for specific marketing goals. Again these pictures are not meant to be be expressive...they are meant as tools to meet a specific goal...and as such it is only fair to state upfront to the people creating the tools what the constraints are. We have package submission criteria for a reason. Those quality assurance reasons are just as valid for content submissions.
Having a big pile of candids that are all over the place in terms of composition and style that we can't easily sort is just a big garbage pile.... not unlike the a big pile of random desktop wallpapers that some sites collect for users to make use of. I think its important that we give our contributors the responsibility to submit appropriate material. And we do that by be explicit about what we are looking for. Don't open up a submission call to on all possible potential uses for images. Be narrow and stay focused...and ask the same of the submitters. If in the future we come up with another reason to collect images, then we do it again with different criteria and constraints.
If we develop a gallery process which expects people to drop in low quality material.. is that really an appropriate methodology to encourage the type of contribution we want to see project wide? I don't think so. If we do it, we do it in a constrained and tight way that encourages and expects people to submit material which is unlikely to be thrown out based on quality. I'd much rather hold a repository of quality images that meet well defined submission criteria then to have a big pile of images that we feel compelled to keep simply because they were submitted and we'd feel bad throwing away a good faith submission.
-jef
I think your are also thinking that we only have to have one set of physically published images. That may not actually make sense, since we are as global as we all. We might not be able to do a single official publication to meet the underlying goal. We may very well use an on-demand process, such that different project subgroups could have their own mix of images in the publishable material they use, beyond just a single coffee table book. If we in the US found a way to get candids of public officials holding the symbol of our ideals, that'd be great for a US book...but not so useful for say Brazil... and vice-versa.
I wasn't aware of that. I was under the impression that objects in public spaces were fair game.
Public property or government property is one thing, private property is another. For example a private university campus like say Princeton has a number of statues and pretty buildings. And while you are welcome to walk around and enjoy the scenery, even take pictures for personal use, you may not have the right to use images of them commercially without express permission of the University.
-jef
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day rolled around. But I digress....
I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora.
We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands on.
If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards.
Fudcon bracelets. We have probably a million of them.
-Yaakov
Thats a great Idea, We should establish a users experience book with a picture of him/her holding a fedora logo 1st to publish on-line and then to do some supporting products, such as posters, hard copy books, even some coffee tables and so..... I guess this must be considered in upcoming meetings. I guess fedora could use some of the money and we could also use it in charity as mentioned, but as always when we charity we talk publicity.
thanks for such great idea Peace
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Yaakov Nemoy loupgaroublond@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day rolled around. But I digress....
I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora.
We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands
on.
If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards.
Fudcon bracelets. We have probably a million of them.
-Yaakov
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I really like the idea of the Fudcon bracelets. However, they are so small...how could we distribute them cost effectively?
Put them in a #6 envelope and put two stamps on them. The hard part is printing out labels.
Actually, the hard part is taking in all the orders, and possibly donations to fund the costs of shipping.
-Yaakov
2008/6/6 Jason Fenner axelilly@gmail.com:
I really like the idea of the Fudcon bracelets. However, they are so small...how could we distribute them cost effectively?
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A weakness that I identify about the brazelets is that you might miss a "Special" moment and you wouldn't capture in a cammera only 'cause you didn't have the brazelet in that precise moment or you didn't have enough, or they simply didn't arrive.
If the idea of the blue ribbon resembling the infinity symbol is already discharged (is it??), I would like to suggest to stand by the original idea of getting a trinket that is: * universal * cheap * massive producible * no shipping involved * not using directly the fedora logo but its values: voice, infinity, freedom
Anyway, this discussion is taking a while now and it has had its highs and lows (meaning the intensity or frecuency we've been discussing) and I think we should come soon to a conclusion before the coffee table thing gets tired and eventually dismissed.
If you ask for my vote I'll say we stay with the ribbon in the absence of a better option yet
Regards
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 17:16 +0200, Yaakov Nemoy wrote:
Put them in a #6 envelope and put two stamps on them. The hard part is printing out labels.
Actually, the hard part is taking in all the orders, and possibly donations to fund the costs of shipping.
-Yaakov
2008/6/6 Jason Fenner axelilly@gmail.com:
I really like the idea of the Fudcon bracelets. However, they are so small...how could we distribute them cost effectively?
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Jeff Spaleta wrote:
I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora.
Could that object be a ninja related item (I am not sure what item) so we can call the photo collection something like "Fedora ninjas from around the world"?
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora.
Could that object be a ninja related item (I am not sure what item) so we can call the photo collection something like "Fedora ninjas from around the world"?
Be a t-shirt ninja with your fedora t-shirt. Yup
Happy Friday
-Yaakov
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