5:36 p.m.
Hey all,
I'd like to publish this to the magazine early next week. Any
objections, or preferences on date? Halp with image also appreciated.
Best,
jzb
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images (was Re: Retiring
32-bit images)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:05:10 -0400
From: Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com>
Reply-To: jzb(a)redhat.com
Organization: Red Hat (Open Source and Standards)
To: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
On 03/31/2016 02:17 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
> > Did we ever put a post up on fedmag about this? Can we do one now?
No iirc. We may want to do one.
Hed: Retiring 32-bit Cloud Images
Body: The Fedora Cloud Working Group has decided to retire the 32-bit
Cloud images. As of the __ release, we will no longer produce the 32-bit
images. We will, of course, continue to make 64-bit cloud images available.
Why are we doing this? We've been producing 32-bit images for years, and
it's a solved problem, right? Surely it's as easy as "just keep doing
it," right?
Not so much. There are several reasons we're retiring them. First and
foremost, our data suggests that 32-bit images are not that popular.
That doesn't mean *no one* uses 32-bit images, but the user community
for 32-bit only seems to be passingly small.
The second reason is that 32-bit packages and images require their own
testing. If it was as simple as a little bit of CPU time and disk space
to produce images, we'd just keep doing it until the number of users hit
zero. But it has a human cost in terms of time and opportunity lost
doing one thing when we could do another. So we've chosen to focus on
64-bit images, working on making Atomic Host more awesome, and other work.
If you have questions, feel free to ask in #fedora-cloud on Freenode, or
ask on cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org.
# # #
Thoughts?
Best,
jzb
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5:38 p.m.
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I can do the featured image.
Are you able to open a ticket in the repo on pagure?
Cheers,
Ryanlerch
On Apr 8, 2016 08:37, "Joe Brockmeier" <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I'd like to publish this to the magazine early next week. Any
objections, or preferences on date? Halp with image also appreciated.
Best,
jzb
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images (was Re: Retiring
32-bit images)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:05:10 -0400
From: Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com>
Reply-To: jzb(a)redhat.com
Organization: Red Hat (Open Source and Standards)
To: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
On 03/31/2016 02:17 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
>
>> > Did we ever put a post up on fedmag about this? Can we do one now?
> No iirc. We may want to do one.
Hed: Retiring 32-bit Cloud Images
Body: The Fedora Cloud Working Group has decided to retire the 32-bit
Cloud images. As of the __ release, we will no longer produce the 32-bit
images. We will, of course, continue to make 64-bit cloud images available.
Why are we doing this? We've been producing 32-bit images for years, and
it's a solved problem, right? Surely it's as easy as "just keep doing
it," right?
Not so much. There are several reasons we're retiring them. First and
foremost, our data suggests that 32-bit images are not that popular.
That doesn't mean *no one* uses 32-bit images, but the user community
for 32-bit only seems to be passingly small.
The second reason is that 32-bit packages and images require their own
testing. If it was as simple as a little bit of CPU time and disk space
to produce images, we'd just keep doing it until the number of users hit
zero. But it has a human cost in terms of time and opportunity lost
doing one thing when we could do another. So we've chosen to focus on
64-bit images, working on making Atomic Host more awesome, and other work.
If you have questions, feel free to ask in #fedora-cloud on Freenode, or
ask on cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org.
# # #
Thoughts?
Best,
jzb
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5:39 p.m.
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On 04/07/2016 06:38 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
Are you able to open a ticket in the repo on pagure?
That's probably something I can do. Is that what the cool kids are doing
these days?
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5:47 p.m.
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On Apr 8, 2016 08:39, "Joe Brockmeier" <jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 04/07/2016 06:38 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> Are you able to open a ticket in the repo on pagure?
>
That's probably something I can do. Is that what the cool kids are doing
these days?
Yup. :) thanks!
Will it just be a featured image? Or are there other graphics required?
Cheers,
Ryanlerch
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5:57 p.m.
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Looking forward to read this article :-)
Cheers,
Sylvia
5:59 p.m.
New subject: [Marketing] Re: [MAGAZINE PROPOSAL] Fwd: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images (was Re: Retiring 32-bit images)
On 04/07/2016 06:47 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
Will it just be a featured image? Or are there other graphics
required?
Just the featured image. Thanks!
jzb
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10:18 a.m.
New subject: [Marketing] Re: [MAGAZINE PROPOSAL] Fwd: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images (was Re: Retiring 32-bit images)
On 04/07/2016 06:59 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
On 04/07/2016 06:47 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> Will it just be a featured image? Or are there other graphics required?
>
Just the featured image. Thanks!
OK, looks like we have the featured image here:
https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images/issue/12
Is this ready to go? Is there a specific date to target or run it now,
or...?
Best,
jzb
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8:14 p.m.
New subject: [Marketing] Re: [MAGAZINE PROPOSAL] Fwd: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images (was Re: Retiring 32-bit images)
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:18:05AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
On 04/07/2016 06:59 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 04/07/2016 06:47 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>> Will it just be a featured image? Or are there other graphics required?
>>
> Just the featured image. Thanks!
OK, looks like we have the featured image here:
https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images/issue/12
Is this ready to go? Is there a specific date to target or run it now,
or...?
Hi Joe,
I didn't see this called out in the meeting notes from today (I missed
the meeting, sorry), but we could either:
* run this next Tuesday, in addition to the scheduled articles; or
* run it on Wednesday, push Wednesday's article to Friday, and give
nirik a little more time for his OpenVPN piece
Anyone have preferences?
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9:29 p.m.
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I vote for Wednesday.
On Thursday, 14 April 2016, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:18:05AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 04/07/2016 06:59 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > On 04/07/2016 06:47 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> >> Will it just be a featured image? Or are there other graphics
required?
> >>
> > Just the featured image. Thanks!
>
> OK, looks like we have the featured image here:
>
> https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images/issue/12
>
> Is this ready to go? Is there a specific date to target or run it now,
> or...?
Hi Joe,
I didn't see this called out in the meeting notes from today (I missed
the meeting, sorry), but we could either:
* run this next Tuesday, in addition to the scheduled articles; or
* run it on Wednesday, push Wednesday's article to Friday, and give
nirik a little more time for his OpenVPN piece
Anyone have preferences?
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9:57 p.m.
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On 04/14/2016 09:14 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hi Joe,
I didn't see this called out in the meeting notes from today (I missed
the meeting, sorry), but we could either:
* run this next Tuesday, in addition to the scheduled articles; or
* run it on Wednesday, push Wednesday's article to Friday, and give
nirik a little more time for his OpenVPN piece
Anyone have preferences?
Sorry, I must have missed this one somehow, I don't remember seeing it.
I think the second option is best here. We can run the Call for
Contributors article next Friday.
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4:04 p.m.
New subject: [Marketing] Re: [MAGAZINE PROPOSAL] Fwd: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images (was Re: Retiring 32-bit images)
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:18:05AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
On 04/07/2016 06:59 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 04/07/2016 06:47 PM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>> Will it just be a featured image? Or are there other graphics required?
>>
> Just the featured image. Thanks!
OK, looks like we have the featured image here:
https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images/issue/12
Is this ready to go? Is there a specific date to target or run it now,
or...?
I can't make tonight's Magazine meeting, but I'm +1 to get this out
ASAP. I've moved this article to Pending Review, but I already
reviewed it and it looks fine. I added a couple additional links for
SEO power.
Anything Justin OK's for schedule for this is fine by me, assume
+1. :-) And I'll be happy to help with social media, just please leave
me an email or IRC message to do so and I'll catch it in the morning.
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4:10 p.m.
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On 04/21/2016 05:04 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I can't make tonight's Magazine meeting, but I'm +1 to
get this out
ASAP. I've moved this article to Pending Review, but I already
reviewed it and it looks fine. I added a couple additional links for
SEO power.
Anything Justin OK's for schedule for this is fine by me, assume
+1. :-) And I'll be happy to help with social media, just please leave
me an email or IRC message to do so and I'll catch it in the morning.
I'd like to put this up too, but I don't think we've settled the
question on 32-bit that Dennis raised. Will check again.
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5:14 p.m.
New subject: [Marketing] Re: [MAGAZINE PROPOSAL] Fwd: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images
On 04/21/2016 05:10 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
On 04/21/2016 05:04 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> I can't make tonight's Magazine meeting, but I'm +1 to get this out
> ASAP. I've moved this article to Pending Review, but I already
> reviewed it and it looks fine. I added a couple additional links for
> SEO power.
>
> Anything Justin OK's for schedule for this is fine by me, assume
> +1. :-) And I'll be happy to help with social media, just please leave
> me an email or IRC message to do so and I'll catch it in the morning.
I'd like to put this up too, but I don't think we've settled the
question on 32-bit that Dennis raised. Will check again.
Do we still want to aim for publishing this tomorrow? In the meeting, we
agreed to publish it Friday, but if it's not ready or the questionable
part can't be edited out, let's definitely hold on this.
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8:44 a.m.
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On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 06:14:05PM -0400, Justin W. Flory wrote:
On 04/21/2016 05:10 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>On 04/21/2016 05:04 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>>I can't make tonight's Magazine meeting, but I'm +1 to get this out
>>ASAP. I've moved this article to Pending Review, but I already
>>reviewed it and it looks fine. I added a couple additional links for
>>SEO power.
>>
>>Anything Justin OK's for schedule for this is fine by me, assume
>>+1. :-) And I'll be happy to help with social media, just please leave
>>me an email or IRC message to do so and I'll catch it in the morning.
>
>I'd like to put this up too, but I don't think we've settled the
>question on 32-bit that Dennis raised. Will check again.
>
Do we still want to aim for publishing this tomorrow? In the meeting, we
agreed to publish it Friday, but if it's not ready or the questionable part
can't be edited out, let's definitely hold on this.
The article apparently was left in Scheduled status -- I moved it back
to Pending Review status, and Patrick Uiterwijk kindly stripped it
from the Fedora Planet so it wouldn't confuse anyone. It was out
there for a few hours, though, FYI.
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9:22 a.m.
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On 04/22/2016 09:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The article apparently was left in Scheduled status -- I moved it
back
to Pending Review status, and Patrick Uiterwijk kindly stripped it
from the Fedora Planet so it wouldn't confuse anyone. It was out
there for a few hours, though, FYI.
I got at least one ping on Twitter asking if we meant F24 and not F23,
so it was read by a few folks. (On the positive side, we know people are
reading!)
I'm on PTO Monday & Tuesday, but I hope we can finish this discussion
about 32-bit and publish *after* the cloud wg meeting on Wednesday.
Best,
jzb
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9:54 a.m.
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On 04/22/2016 10:22 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
On 04/22/2016 09:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> The article apparently was left in Scheduled status -- I moved it back
> to Pending Review status, and Patrick Uiterwijk kindly stripped it
> from the Fedora Planet so it wouldn't confuse anyone. It was out
> there for a few hours, though, FYI.
I got at least one ping on Twitter asking if we meant F24 and not F23,
so it was read by a few folks. (On the positive side, we know people are
reading!)
I'm on PTO Monday & Tuesday, but I hope we can finish this discussion
about 32-bit and publish *after* the cloud wg meeting on Wednesday.
Best,
jzb
Sorry, this was my mistake… I didn't realize it was in Scheduled status.
With the F24 Wallpapers article on Monday and Ryan's screencast article
on Wednesday, this would be a good topper for the week on Friday. Just
let us know when it's ready and we'll get it out!
Thanks Paul and Patrick for fixing this up quickly, I appreciate it…
I'll be sure to do a double-check next time before logging off for the
night.
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8:59 a.m.
New subject: [Marketing] Re: [MAGAZINE PROPOSAL] Fwd: [DRAFT] Why we're retiring 32-bit Images (was Re: Retiring 32-bit images)
Hi all,
Somehow despite me sending this last night - this was published. How can
we prevent communication breakdowns like this in the future?
This was sent prior to or during the magazine meeting, if I'm not mistaken.
If there's *any* uncertainty around something like this, it should not
be published.
Best,
jzb
On 04/21/2016 05:10 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
On 04/21/2016 05:04 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> I can't make tonight's Magazine meeting, but I'm +1 to get this out
> ASAP. I've moved this article to Pending Review, but I already
> reviewed it and it looks fine. I added a couple additional links for
> SEO power.
>
> Anything Justin OK's for schedule for this is fine by me, assume
> +1. :-) And I'll be happy to help with social media, just please leave
> me an email or IRC message to do so and I'll catch it in the morning.
I'd like to put this up too, but I don't think we've settled the
question on 32-bit that Dennis raised. Will check again.
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10:52 a.m.
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 09:59:40AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Hi all,
Somehow despite me sending this last night - this was published. How can
we prevent communication breakdowns like this in the future?
This was sent prior to or during the magazine meeting, if I'm not mistaken.
If there's *any* uncertainty around something like this, it should not
be published.
Agreed, and it's incumbent on whoever schedules a post to confirm it's
meant to go out. The bar is higher for articles about what we
deliver, as opposed to helpful how-to articles. It's hard to see how
a premature article like that would cause any issues, but clearly this
one could.
Also, this was picked up by at least one venue that checks our feeds
for reportable news:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Cloud-32-b...
Does someone have a contact with Phoronix so we could explain the
snafu here?
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10:56 a.m.
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On 22 April 2016 at 09:52, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 09:59:40AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Somehow despite me sending this last night - this was published. How can
> we prevent communication breakdowns like this in the future?
>
> This was sent prior to or during the magazine meeting, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> If there's *any* uncertainty around something like this, it should not
> be published.
Agreed, and it's incumbent on whoever schedules a post to confirm it's
meant to go out. The bar is higher for articles about what we
deliver, as opposed to helpful how-to articles. It's hard to see how
a premature article like that would cause any issues, but clearly this
one could.
From past experience on these sorts of things.. please spell out that
this is 32-bit i386 and doesn't cover arm32 (not sure if there are
cloud arm32 but people seem to freak out when the architecture is not
mentioned).
Also, this was picked up by at least one venue that checks our feeds
for reportable news:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Cloud-32-b...
Does someone have a contact with Phoronix so we could explain the
snafu here?
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