Fedora-fr association was born !

[Thomas Canniot]

Dear Fedora user,

All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the
association of the French speaking Fedora users.

We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of
Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora.

Why an association ?

* In order to promote Free software in general and the Fedora
distribution in particular. This promotion will lead to the creation of
support for the Fedora promotion, from simple flyers to CD/DVD for the
installation of Fedora.
* To support our website, one of the most important tool for the French
community.
* An association helps to increase the presence of the French community
and gives more weight to his talk, indeed an association has more
credibility in front of its partners, ie Fedora project, Red Hat or
others.

You should notice that the association has no link with the Fedora
project itself or Red Hat. The project has been informed of the
creation of the association but did not encourage it or support it in
any way.

What are the goals of the association ?

* Promote free software around a central element: the GNU/Linux
distribution Fedora.
* Promote Fedora on different associations and events or meetings.
* Create a network integrating users and developers of the Fedora
GNU/Linux distribution.

What are our resources ?

* The French ambassador team, localized all around France, involved in
different Linux User Group and other association.
* The dues from our members.
* The sell of goodies (T-shirts, mugs, hat...) should financially help
to the association.

Who is at the head of the association ?

The member of the board are:
President: Thomas Canniot (MrTom)
Vice-president: Armel Kermorvant (armelk)
Treasurer: Johan Cwiklinski (trashy)
Secretary: Guillaume Kulakowski (llaumgui)

Other members of the board:
Maxime Carron (Pingoomax)
Thierry Delmonte (Titax)
Charles Vinchon (littlecharly)

All are Fedora ambassador.

Why becoming a member ?

* Because you wish to be imply in the association's activities.
* Because you wish to financially support the association to promote
the distribution GNU/Linux Fedora and Free Software, without being
actively involved in these actions.
* Because you can become a member from 10 euros.

Who can become a member ?

The association accepts all French speaking people who wish to help the
promotion of the Free software and the GNU/Linux distribution Fedora.

How to become a member ?

We invite you to have a look at the procedure described on the
association's website http://asso.fedora-fr.org/Comment_devenir_membre

How to do a simple donation ?

If you wish to do a simple donation, you can have a look at the website
http://ass.fedora-fr.org/Dons

How to be involved in the Association actions ?

One of the first goal of the association is to create support for the
Fedora promotion during different the events and meetings. If you wish
to be involved, actually there are several projects for which we are
looking for help:
* Small books presenting Fedora
* Flyers
* Posters
* Stickers
* Pens
* Keyrings
* ...

We are also looking for partners to create Fedora CDs/DVDs.

Where to find information about the association ?

One website for all information, http://asso.fedora-fr.org

All the team of Fedora-fr association is available to answer your
questions and help you to lead your projects.

Fedora-fr Team.

[Gerold]

Hi all,

please excuse my clear words but I am very unsatisfied and I want to
tell you that this association is founded alone by our french friends;
has nothing to do with all other Ambassadors in the Rest of EMEA ...

No other than the french people were involved in that.

This is _NO; I reply _NO_ European, EMEA or Global Association. As you
all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that 10
different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest without a
french participation was talking about to create a global or at least
EMEA Association.

Just for all of you as information.

Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped
but also I personally hope to support a European one ...

Just my two cents

Gerold

Am Samstag, den 29.09.2007, 18:56 +0200 schrieb Thomas Canniot:
> Dear Fedora user,
>
> All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the
> association of the French speaking Fedora users.
>
> We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of
> Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora.
>
> Why an association ?
> In order to promote Free software in general and the Fedora
>
> distribution in particular. This promotion will lead to the creation of
> support for the Fedora promotion, from simple flyers to CD/DVD for the
> installation of Fedora.
> To support our website, one of the most important tool for the French
>
> community.
> An association helps to increase the presence of the French community
>
> and gives more weight to his talk, indeed an association has more
> credibility in front of its partners, ie Fedora project, Red Hat or
> others.
>
> You should notice that the association has no link with the Fedora
> project itself or Red Hat. The project has been informed of the
> creation of the association but did not encourage it or support it in
> any way.
>
> What are the goals of the association ?
> Promote free software around a central element: the GNU/Linux
>
> distribution Fedora.
> Promote Fedora on different associations and events or meetings.
> Create a network integrating users and developers of the Fedora
>
> GNU/Linux distribution.
>
> What are our resources ?
> The French ambassador team, localized all around France, involved in
>
> different Linux User Group and other association.
> The dues from our members.
> The sell of goodies (T-shirts, mugs, hat...) should financially help
>
> to the association.
>
> Who is at the head of the association ?
>
> The member of the board are:
> President: Thomas Canniot (MrTom)
> Vice-president: Armel Kermorvant (armelk)
> Treasurer: Johan Cwiklinski (trashy)
> Secretary: Guillaume Kulakowski (llaumgui)
>
> Other members of the board:
> Maxime Carron (Pingoomax)
> Thierry Delmonte (Titax)
> Charles Vinchon (littlecharly)
>
> All are Fedora ambassador.
>
> Why becoming a member ?
> Because you wish to be imply in the association's activities.
> Because you wish to financially support the association to promote
>
> the distribution GNU/Linux Fedora and Free Software, without being
> actively involved in these actions.
> Because you can become a member from 10 euros.
>
> Who can become a member ?
>
> The association accepts all French speaking people who wish to help the
> promotion of the Free software and the GNU/Linux distribution Fedora.
>
> How to become a member ?
>
> We invite you to have a look at the procedure described on the
> association's website http://asso.fedora-fr.org/Comment_devenir_membre
>
> How to do a simple donation ?
>
> If you wish to do a simple donation, you can have a look at the website
> http://ass.fedora-fr.org/Dons
>
> How to be involved in the Association actions ?
>
> One of the first goal of the association is to create support for the
> Fedora promotion during different the events and meetings. If you wish
> to be involved, actually there are several projects for which we are
> looking for help:
> Small books presenting Fedora
> Flyers
> Posters
> Stickers
> Pens
> Keyrings
> ...
>
> We are also looking for partners to create Fedora CDs/DVDs.
>
> Where to find information about the association ?
>
> One website for all information, http://asso.fedora-fr.org
>
> All the team of Fedora-fr association is available to answer your
> questions and help you to lead your projects.
>
> Fedora-fr Team.

[Nayyar Ahmad]

Hi Gerold,

I certainly add +1 to your opinion, it must cover whole EMEA, i would rather
suggest French  Ambassadors to take these comments in positive sense and do
some brainstorming before taking a final decision.

cheers.

On 9/29/07, Gerold Kassube  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> please excuse my clear words but I am very unsatisfied and I want to
> tell you that this association is founded alone by our french friends;
> has nothing to do with all other Ambassadors in the Rest of EMEA ...
>
> No other than the french people were involved in that.
>
> This is _NO; I reply _NO_ European, EMEA or Global Association. As you
> all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that 10
> different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest without a
> french participation was talking about to create a global or at least
> EMEA Association.
>
> Just for all of you as information.
>
> Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped
> but also I personally hope to support a European one ...
>
> Just my two cents
>
> Gerold
>
> Am Samstag, den 29.09.2007, 18:56 +0200 schrieb Thomas Canniot:
> > Dear Fedora user,
> >
> > All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the
> > association of the French speaking Fedora users.
> >
> > We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of
> > Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora.
> >
> > Why an association ?
> > In order to promote Free software in general and the Fedora
> >
> > distribution in particular. This promotion will lead to the creation of
> > support for the Fedora promotion, from simple flyers to CD/DVD for the
> > installation of Fedora.
> > To support our website, one of the most important tool for the French
> >
> > community.
> > An association helps to increase the presence of the French community
> >
> > and gives more weight to his talk, indeed an association has more
> > credibility in front of its partners, ie Fedora project, Red Hat or
> > others.
> >
> > You should notice that the association has no link with the Fedora
> > project itself or Red Hat. The project has been informed of the
> > creation of the association but did not encourage it or support it in
> > any way.
> >
> > What are the goals of the association ?
> > Promote free software around a central element: the GNU/Linux
> >
> > distribution Fedora.
> > Promote Fedora on different associations and events or meetings.
> > Create a network integrating users and developers of the Fedora
> >
> > GNU/Linux distribution.
> >
> > What are our resources ?
> > The French ambassador team, localized all around France, involved in
> >
> > different Linux User Group and other association.
> > The dues from our members.
> > The sell of goodies (T-shirts, mugs, hat...) should financially help
> >
> > to the association.
> >
> > Who is at the head of the association ?
> >
> > The member of the board are:
> > President: Thomas Canniot (MrTom)
> > Vice-president: Armel Kermorvant (armelk)
> > Treasurer: Johan Cwiklinski (trashy)
> > Secretary: Guillaume Kulakowski (llaumgui)
> >
> > Other members of the board:
> > Maxime Carron (Pingoomax)
> > Thierry Delmonte (Titax)
> > Charles Vinchon (littlecharly)
> >
> > All are Fedora ambassador.
> >
> > Why becoming a member ?
> > Because you wish to be imply in the association's activities.
> > Because you wish to financially support the association to promote
> >
> > the distribution GNU/Linux Fedora and Free Software, without being
> > actively involved in these actions.
> > Because you can become a member from 10 euros.
> >
> > Who can become a member ?
> >
> > The association accepts all French speaking people who wish to help the
> > promotion of the Free software and the GNU/Linux distribution Fedora.
> >
> > How to become a member ?
> >
> > We invite you to have a look at the procedure described on the
> > association's website http://asso.fedora-fr.org/Comment_devenir_membre
> >
> > How to do a simple donation ?
> >
> > If you wish to do a simple donation, you can have a look at the website
> > http://ass.fedora-fr.org/Dons
> >
> > How to be involved in the Association actions ?
> >
> > One of the first goal of the association is to create support for the
> > Fedora promotion during different the events and meetings. If you wish
> > to be involved, actually there are several projects for which we are
> > looking for help:
> > Small books presenting Fedora
> > Flyers
> > Posters
> > Stickers
> > Pens
> > Keyrings
> > ...
> >
> > We are also looking for partners to create Fedora CDs/DVDs.
> >
> > Where to find information about the association ?
> >
> > One website for all information, http://asso.fedora-fr.org
> >
> > All the team of Fedora-fr association is available to answer your
> > questions and help you to lead your projects.
> >
> > Fedora-fr Team.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Gerold Kassube
> Fedora Ambassador
>
> Deutschland / Germany
> Schweiz / Switzerland
> Email: [e-mail]
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[pingou]

Gerold Kassube wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped
> but also I personally hope to support a European one ...
>
> Just my two cents
>
> Gerold

Hi

I was there a the FOSDEM, I have seen the meetings and talk about this 
idea. I am very enthusiastic about it, but I believe that the two 
projects are not contradictory maybe even the contrary.

If we want to create a European instance for Fedora, we have to be first 
organized into each country, have just a big association with hundreds 
of people with being structured.
Build a house without good basement is (I believe) a waste of time.

At least now for the French speaking people (We include Belgium, Swiss 
and other countries) you have people to speak about...

Best regards,
P.Yves

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[Thomas Canniot]

Le Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:15:00 +0200,
Gerold Kassube  a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> please excuse my clear words but I am very unsatisfied and I want to
> tell you that this association is founded alone by our french friends;
> has nothing to do with all other Ambassadors in the Rest of EMEA ...
>
> No other than the french people were involved in that.
>
> This is _NO; I reply _NO_ European, EMEA or Global Association. As you
> all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that
> 10 different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest
> without a french participation was talking about to create a global
> or at least EMEA Association.
>
> Just for all of you as information.
>
> Personally I hope, our french friends will have the success they hoped
> but also I personally hope to support a European one ...
>
> Just my two cents
>
> Gerold

Hey Gerold,

That's great that you give at last for once you point of view about
EMEA on the mailing list, instead of always restrict this discussion on
private meetings during big events.

First, I just would like to say that French and other ambassadors
involved in the EMEA creation share the same objective. We _all_ want
an EMEA Fedora 'thing' to be created. The difference is that we
don't share the same approach to create it.

French Amb. do think that EACH country has to be first organised at a
national level BEFORE any EMEA could communicate with it. Could you
imagine the EMEA communicating on same subjects with so many different
ambassadors from only ONE country ? I don't... what a waste of time and
energy ! We do believe that creating local / national entities would
rather facilitate the damn life of the Fedora EMEA thing, because in
France, it will have to communicate with one, and only one entity, this
association.

Then, maybe I will disappoint you, but everything is already created
and there is no way we can go back. We already have members and money,
and we are to promote Fedora in French speaking countries as it has
never be done before. Maybe some people are jealous of our success...
I don't know and I really don't care, because we know that what we are
doing right now is good for the French community, because it respond to
what people want.

Then, I would suggest Gerold to at last open a _real_ discussion
about EMEA, because being reproached not to attend event is really to
easy. I am very happy for you if you have enough money and time to go
there and there and discuss with people. From my point of view, as a
kind of French Fedora Leader, I don't. And as you may have noticed, I
said that I am going to go to this far event in Rheinfelden. We missed
ONE or TWO FAD, this is very easy to say we don't care about it. The
mailing list IS there to unite people and avoid this kind of little
meeting in the middle of nowhere, and you never used it on purpose on
that subject.

Finally, I will say that the creation of this association was done
because the Fedora Project itself failed to respond to our requests of
promoting Fedora in France. I'm sorry, but we should not write in the
Amb. pages that CD/DVD will be sent for events, we never received
anything even if the requests were made on time and even if people were
pinged at different level of the Fedora hierarchy. We can't waste time
created a global EMEA to promote Fedora, we are doing it right now, and
it works. EMEA is our next objective, as the French association is now
created. And I would suggest every Fedora Ambassadors from common
countries to organise themselves in local / national entities to make
the future life of EMEA easier. However, it will be as slow and
unresponsive than the Fedora Amb. project.

Cheers,

that was my 2 cents :)

Thomas

[Thomas Chung]

On 9/29/07, Thomas Canniot  wrote:
> Finally, I will say that the creation of this association was done
> because the Fedora Project itself failed to respond to our requests of
> promoting Fedora in France. I'm sorry, but we should not write in the
> Amb. pages that CD/DVD will be sent for events, we never received
> anything even if the requests were made on time and even if people were
> pinged at different level of the Fedora hierarchy. We can't waste time
> created a global EMEA to promote Fedora, we are doing it right now, and
> it works. EMEA is our next objective, as the French association is now
> created. And I would suggest every Fedora Ambassadors from common
> countries to organise themselves in local / national entities to make
> the future life of EMEA easier. However, it will be as slow and
> unresponsive than the Fedora Amb. project.

It seems Fedora Project in USA have failed Fedora Ambassadors in French.
Please note we made every efforts to deliver the materials you
requested but at the end either the package was lost or never made it
on time.

There were several discussions to improve the situation and I believe
one of them was to create localized distribution center in Europe
supported by local Red Hat office.

So, Best of Luck for French Association.

Regards,

[Thomas Canniot]

Le Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:48:19 -0700,
"Thomas Chung"  a écrit :
> On 9/29/07, Thomas Canniot  wrote:
> > Finally, I will say that the creation of this association was done
> > because the Fedora Project itself failed to respond to our requests
> > of promoting Fedora in France. I'm sorry, but we should not write
> > in the Amb. pages that CD/DVD will be sent for events, we never
> > received anything even if the requests were made on time and even
> > if people were pinged at different level of the Fedora hierarchy.
> > We can't waste time created a global EMEA to promote Fedora, we are
> > doing it right now, and it works. EMEA is our next objective, as
> > the French association is now created. And I would suggest every
> > Fedora Ambassadors from common countries to organise themselves in
> > local / national entities to make the future life of EMEA easier.
> > However, it will be as slow and unresponsive than the Fedora Amb.
> > project.
>
> It seems Fedora Project in USA have failed Fedora Ambassadors in
> French. Please note we made every efforts to deliver the materials you
> requested but at the end either the package was lost or never made it
> on time.

I know Thomas, don't worry, I have nothing against you. :)
The fact is that when we started to create the association, the message
from RedHat was : create stuff locally and you will get reimbursed. But
nobody here wanted (and it was more than legitimate) to pay for $500
for DVDs without the assurance to be reimbursed totally. The
organisation is there to simplify all this stuff, and now it is there
it will simplify things a lot for us.
> There were several discussions to improve the situation and I believe
> one of them was to create localized distribution center in Europe
> supported by local Red Hat office.
>
> So, Best of Luck for French Association.

Thanks a lot Thomas :)
> Regards,

Thomas

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

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Thomas Canniot wrote:

However, it will be as slow and
> unresponsive than the Fedora Amb. project.

No it won't, that's where I kick in.

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Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
- -kanarip

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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 29.09.2007, 21:15 +0200 schrieb Gerold Kassube:

[...]
> As you
> all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that 10
> different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest without a
> french participation was talking about to create a global or at least
> EMEA Association.

Excuse me Gerold, but... where are the meeting minutes from the FAD at
LT2007? I can't find them in the wiki nor on the mailing list and 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 clearly states "no
meeting minutes".

So ether I'm blind or we really missed to publish these meeting minutes.
In this case it IMHO is unfair to blame someone for not reading
something that has never been published.

Christoph

[Gerold]

Uuuups, yes Christoph, ....

you're totally right. 
We don't finalize any meeting minutes, me did a realy big mistake.

So my apologies to the french association and hope all members can
accept also the President.

Best wishes to this great success founding this wonderfull association.

Gerold

Am Mittwoch, den 03.10.2007, 23:25 +0200 schrieb Christoph Wickert:
> Am Samstag, den 29.09.2007, 21:15 +0200 schrieb Gerold Kassube:
>
> [...]
> > As you
> > all have read in the FAD meeting minutes from Linuxtag were more that 10
> > different Country (with Ambassadors) were presented, the Rest without a
> > french participation was talking about to create a global or at least
> > EMEA Association.
>
> Excuse me Gerold, but... where are the meeting minutes from the FAD at
> LT2007? I can't find them in the wiki nor on the mailing list and 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 clearly states "no
> meeting minutes".
>
> So ether I'm blind or we really missed to publish these meeting minutes.
> In this case it IMHO is unfair to blame someone for not reading
> something that has never been published.
>
> Christoph

[Thomas Canniot]

Le Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:32:12 +0200,
Gerold Kassube  a écrit :
> Uuuups, yes Christoph, ....
>
> you're totally right. 
> We don't finalize any meeting minutes, me did a realy big mistake.
>
> So my apologies to the french association and hope all members can
> accept also the President.
>
> Best wishes to this great success founding this wonderfull
> association.

No problem Gerold, we are here to work together, not to fight :)

Thomas

[Robert Scheck]

Evening together,

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> So ether I'm blind or we really missed to publish these meeting minutes.
> In this case it IMHO is unfair to blame someone for not reading
> something that has never been published.

unfortunately we missed to publish these meeting minutes and nobody
noticed. It won't help us now, but here are them (just FYI):

----- Forwarded message from Jeroen van Meeuwen -----
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:11:05 +0200
From: Jeroen van Meeuwen
To: Andreas Rau, Florian Brand, Fabian Affolter, Jeroen van Meeuwen,
        Jens Kuehnel, Joerg Simon, Kushal Das, Max Spevack, Mike McGrath,
        Robert M. Albrecht, Robert Scheck, Stefan Held, Christoph Wickert,
        Sebastian Vahl, Francesco Ugolini, Sandro Mathys
CC: Thomas Canniot
Subject: FAD LinuxTag, Berlin 01-06-2007

Everyone,

here follows the meeting minutes from our FADCon meeting, at LinuxTag in
Berlin.

Attendees include: Stefan, Jeroen, Francesco, Max, Kushal, Sebastian, Jens,
Gerold, Pawwal, Fabian, Robert, Christoph

Topics that have been discussed include:
    * Meeting Times & Structure
    * Marketing
    * Skill List
    * Key Points for Organizing an Event
    * European Infrastructure

########
Topic: Meeting Times & Structure
Key Note: How to organize the meetings on IRC, or what time to use for the
meetings?

- Send a couple of proposals to FAMSCo
    1) Split meetings per region, and have some key members of each
       region arrange the meetings and give feedback to FAMSCo
    2) ...?

Actions:
    - Create more proposals for FAMSCo (anyone)

########
Topic: Marketing
Key Note: Getting Fedora marketing in general, and Europe specifically
Some thoughts:
    - Have someone within Red Hat take care of marketing for Fedora
      in cooperation with the Ambassador(s)
    - Tasks: Improving overall Fedora presence,
         Press releases about events / releases / etc.,
         Improve Fedora Exposure
    - Set simple goals for marketing
    - /me has sent an email to Max reminding him he should get the
      marketing m-l (back) into shape.
    - Webshop (see also European Infrastructure)

########
Topic: Skill List
Key Note: Get a skill list of ambassadors and other volunteers so that
anyone looking for (example) an OLPC guru to speak at an event, they're
listed somewhere. If you have a booth at the event, use the skill list so
that you know who to get when someone comes walking up to the booth asking
questions about OLPC (which of course happens to be that one thing you
don't know anything about)

Actions: We did not agree on any actions to be taken here, yet.

########
Topic: Organization Key Points / Check List
Key Note: Get a document (WikiPage) describing a number of common culprits
when organizing an event, or even a "complete" task list.

Action: We did not agree on any actions to be taken here, yet.

########
Topic: European Infrastructure
Key Note: What is EI to be? Tasks, responsibilities, opportunities,
benefits

Ideas:
- Have someone within Red Hat take Max's function as a Fedora Project
leader as far as Europe is concerned.
- Wiki translations
- Website balancing - other technical stuff
- Decisions are made faster
- Raising or getting Money / Funding will be easier, faster
- Marketing stuff is local
- Eventbox to send to events taking place in Europe
- Budget to arrange expenses for speakers travelling to show at an event
- Non-profit organization set-up
- Board Members
- larger, greater, longer FUDCons, not during LinuxTag but before/after

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
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Greetings,
  Robert

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

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Thomas Canniot wrote:
> Dear Fedora user,
>
> All the French Fedora Team is glad to announce you the creation of the
> association of the French speaking Fedora users.
>
> We will need your help to drive this project where all the users of
> Fedora are working for the same goal, the promotion of Fedora.

Reading my mail in reversed date sort order (I'm sorry), I only now see
the actual announcement ;-)

I want to congratulate Thomas and the other French Ambassadors for
reaching this much anticipated milestone. We all know how difficult it
is to get resources, and to enable ourselves to share these while not
exhausting our very own time and financial resources, or to organize
some type of structure for Ambassadors in countries with a larger audience.

The French association is hopefully going to set an example, no matter
how eager others including myself are to set up some type of EMEA-wide
structure. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I hope you -Thomas- and the
other French Ambassadors appreciate what we're trying to achieve. We do
have common goals and we might have different point of views or ideas, I
hope we get some time to share those (FAD Nov 24th, Basel?).

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[H. Guémar]

Hi,
I don't understand some reactions here. Fedora-FR is NOT some kind of
unofficial subgroup of fp.o ambassadors, but rather a local Fedora User
Group similar to LUGs.

The French community has been structured around fedora-fr.org unofficial
website & forum, some members started regular local meetings (Lyon, Nantes,
Paris etc.), a documentation project, assistance to new contributors etc..
Our goal is to federate not only French ambassadors but all French and
French-speaking Fedora users.
Regular physical meetings have helped newcomers and users to integrate our
community

Fedora-FR should be seen as a companion organisation to fp.o ambassadors.
Fedora-FR gathers hundred people maybe thousands in the future, French
fp.oambassadors are about a dozen.
As an association, we will be able to collect and share some ressources, and
have a _legal existence_. Fedora-FR aims to ease and leverage French
ambassadors work and organizing meetings between users.
Human contacts are a better way to promote Fedora rather than mailing-lists
and irc.

We're as eager as you to set up an EMEA structure lead by Fedora
Ambassadors, but it cannot replace local user groups and vice-versa. An EMEA
structure should  also lean on local user groups to strenghten its action,
if we don't, such structure could only fail.

Best regards
H. G.

[simon]

Am Sonntag, 30. September 2007 21:34:01 schrieb H. Guémar:
> Hi,
> Fedora-FR should be seen as a companion organisation to fp.o ambassadors.
> Fedora-FR gathers hundred people maybe thousands in the future, French
> fp.oambassadors are about a dozen.

On Feb2007 i was able to see Thomas presentation on Fosdem and i was 
impressed - what all of you achieved. There was a strong presence of French 
ambassadors and after i signalized that i am interessted in there work, i had 
a great time with kind and communicative people. I am sure you know what is 
the best to achieve your goals in your country. 
Please don´t forget the world who need your results. 
Example: googled metisse & fedora  - the really needfull articles only in 
french
> As an association, we will be able to collect and share some ressources,
> and have a _legal existence_.

I had really bad conflicts with Gerold about a Legal Entity  - i hate 
bureaucracy and my opinion is that Fedora Project should not have borders - i 
don´t like´d the idea to found a german LegalEntity.  In the other way i 
proposed the EMEA Leadership in DEC2006 and now i see this could not 
established without legal status in Europe.
> Fedora-FR aims to ease and leverage French 
> ambassadors work and organizing meetings between users.
> Human contacts are a better way to promote Fedora rather than mailing-lists
> and irc.

Like i say, think about a liason officer who is able to share with us - i am 
glad to see Thomas in Rheinfelden.
> We're as eager as you to set up an EMEA structure lead by Fedora
> Ambassadors, but it cannot replace local user groups and vice-versa. An
> EMEA structure should  also lean on local user groups to strenghten its
> action, if we don't, such structure could only fail.

There is a EMEA Structure and the success we had in this Year to have Fudcon 
on Fosdem and LT2007 with Alan Cox and other familiar Names - the official 
launch of Fedora 7 on LT 2007 by Max ... this was happen without a legal 
entity, because of work that have to be done.

Ask yourself why you doing this? - For me is fun!

Cheers Joerg

[Nayyar Ahmad]

Hi,

On 10/1/07, JoergSimon  wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 30. September 2007 21:34:01 schrieb H. Guémar:
> > Hi,
> > Fedora-FR should be seen as a companion organisation to fp.oambassadors.
> > Fedora-FR gathers hundred people maybe thousands in the future, French
> > fp.oambassadors are about a dozen.
>
> On Feb2007 i was able to see Thomas presentation on Fosdem and i was
> impressed - what all of you achieved. There was a strong presence of
> French
> ambassadors and after i signalized that i am interessted in there work, i
> had
> a great time with kind and communicative people. I am sure you know what
> is
> the best to achieve your goals in your country.
> Please don´t forget the world who need your results.
> Example: googled metisse & fedora  - the really needfull articles only in
> french

yeah of course it is a big achivement for Fr-Ambassadors...and it will get
mature with the time.
> As an association, we will be able to collect and share some ressources,
> > and have a _legal existence_.
>
> I had really bad conflicts with Gerold about a Legal Entity  - i hate
> bureaucracy and my opinion is that Fedora Project should not have borders
> i
>
> don´t like´d the idea to found a german LegalEntity.  In the other way i
> proposed the EMEA Leadership in DEC2006 and now i see this could not
> established without legal status in Europe.

I will again add my point here, in my opinion we should have a central EMEA
Legal Entity, that can work as regularity authority for National Legal
Entities. i feel a high degree of need for a central observing authority....
Even if Fr-Ambassadors could help to scale their experience for founding
Central EMEA legal entity, it would be very nice...
> Fedora-FR aims to ease and leverage French
> > ambassadors work and organizing meetings between users.
> > Human contacts are a better way to promote Fedora rather than
>
> mailing-lists
> > and irc.
>
> Like i say, think about a liason officer who is able to share with us - i
> am
> glad to see Thomas in Rheinfelden.

sure, Fr-Ambassadors are not out of fedoraproject.org frame :)
> We're as eager as you to set up an EMEA structure lead by Fedora
> > Ambassadors, but it cannot replace local user groups and vice-versa. An
> > EMEA structure should  also lean on local user groups to strenghten its
> > action, if we don't, such structure could only fail.
>
> There is a EMEA Structure and the success we had in this Year to have
> Fudcon
> on Fosdem and LT2007 with Alan Cox and other familiar Names - the official
> launch of Fedora 7 on LT 2007 by Max ... this was happen without a legal
> entity, because of work that have to be done.
>
> Ask yourself why you doing this? - For me is fun!

you are right, we should keep in mind the cause , no matter how we achieve
it :)

cheers

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