Re: Fwd: news.fp.o

[Jonathan Roberts]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt;
Date: 19 Feb 2008 20:02
Subject: Re: Fwd: news.fp.o
To: Jonathan Roberts <jonathan.roberts.uk(a)googlemail.com&gt;


Sending to you instead of list because I'm not 100% sure I understood
what the question was having not followed the news list. :-)

Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  I had a little look at word press and it seems like it fulfills most
>  of the goals listed in the ticket, but take a look below for my
>  detailed thoughts.
>  
We use Lyceum, a fork of WordPress, very negligibly different, for Red
Hat Magazine, the press blog, and several others.

> > I've just taken a quick glance at wordpress and it looks like
> it will
> > more than likely do the job, two points that I'm not so sure about
> > though:
> >
> > * seperate rss feed for upcoming events
> > 
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking with this one. If the
question
is whether you can have the main feed plus a separate feed for something
specific, then yes. You can easily grab the feed of a single category.
Just tag those posts "events."

> > * allowing anyone to submit a story for editors approval 
I
*believe* if you wanted them to actually put it in the blog system,
they would have to register as a user. IMO, it might be more logical to
have them emailed to editors.

Ruth

Fwd: news.fp.o

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi,

We really need someone to work with the infrastructure team and get a 
test instance of it running to evaluate it for a short period and get 
into the production stage. It looks like word press meets our basic needs.

Rahul

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[Jonathan Roberts]

On 20/02/2008, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  We really need someone to work with the infrastructure team and get a
>  test instance of it running to evaluate it for a short period and get
>  into the production stage. It looks like word press meets our basic needs. 
I'll drop a note to the infrastructure list and see what they say...

Best wishes,

Jon

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[Karsten Wade]

On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 13:57 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  On 20/02/2008, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > We really need someone to work with the infrastructure team and get a
>  > test instance of it running to evaluate it for a short period and get
>  > into the production stage. It looks like word press meets our basic needs.
>  
>  I'll drop a note to the infrastructure list and see what they say... 
Can someone point me at the needs list?

I ask because fundamentally, a blog engine (WordPress) and a CMS system
(Drupal) are very different.

- Karsten
-- 
Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr.
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41

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[Jeffrey Tadlock]

2008/2/21 Karsten 'quaid' Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>   Can someone point me at the needs list?
>
>   I ask because fundamentally, a blog engine (WordPress) and a CMS system
>   (Drupal) are very different. 
The requested features are listed in the ticket here:

https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178


~Jeffrey

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[Mike McGrath]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:

>  On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 13:57 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>  > On 20/02/2008, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > We really need someone to work with the infrastructure team and get a
>  > > test instance of it running to evaluate it for a short period and get
>  > > into the production stage. It looks like word press meets our basic needs.
>  >
>  > I'll drop a note to the infrastructure list and see what they say...
>
>  Can someone point me at the needs list?
>
>  I ask because fundamentally, a blog engine (WordPress) and a CMS system
>  (Drupal) are very different.
>  
This is true, if John doesn't think its the right tool we won't use it.
The two main reasons I suggested it were because we're looking to deploy
it elsewhere but also that I know other sites out there
(www.redhatmagazine.com) use it and if it can work for them I've got
to figure it could work for us.  If not though, we can always pick
something else.

	-Mike

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[Karsten Wade]

On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 21:18 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
>  On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
>  
>  >
>  > I ask because fundamentally, a blog engine (WordPress) and a CMS system
>  > (Drupal) are very different.
>  >
>  
>  This is true, if John doesn't think its the right tool we won't use it.
>  The two main reasons I suggested it were because we're looking to deploy
>  it elsewhere but also that I know other sites out there
>  (www.redhatmagazine.com) use it and if it can work for them I've got
>  to figure it could work for us.  If not though, we can always pick
>  something else. 
Cool, thanks.  I happen to love WordPress now, but I am wary of loving
my hammer more than the woodwork.  Just making sure I know the lay of
the land and all that. c):) 
                           \-- cowboy hat on head

- Karsten
-- 
Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr.
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41

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[Karsten Wade]

On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 21:40 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote:
>  2008/2/21 Karsten 'quaid' Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  >  Can someone point me at the needs list?
>  >
>  >  I ask because fundamentally, a blog engine (WordPress) and a CMS system
>  >  (Drupal) are very different.
>  
>  The requested features are listed in the ticket here:
>  
>  https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178 
Thanks.  Based on my experience with WordPress:

      * Allow multiple editors [WP stand-alone does this]
      * Allow anyone to submit a news story with editors approving it
        [Requires outside email interface, e.g.
        editors(a)news.fedoraproject.org goes into a mailing list of
        editors]
      * Rich content and not just text [WP handles this fine]
      * Ability to comment on stories [WP++]
      * Toggle between allowing comments anonymously, registered users
        only or none at all system wide or at a per story level [Not
        sure if this is easy to implement, but most likely is in the
        base or a plugin]
      * Search [WP seems to work]
      * Multiple tags/categories [WP++]
      * Calendar and archives [Calendar as in something to edit with
        events, etc.?  Maybe a WP plugin?  WP archives fine]
      * RSS feeds for upcoming events, stories and comments [WP
        categories make great feeds]
      * Automatically highlight popular content - Today or all time
        based on page views and/or comments [A plugin?  Not in base WP
        afaik]

The features required seem to match well with a blog, though, if the
right plugins can be found.  A CMS can handle all that as well, but the
complexity can get in the way of a blog user's ability to quickly
publish and update.  A blog is freer in the way a wiki is freer, that
is, sacrificing richer control over everything for richer freedom to act
quickly and decisively.

Where a CMS makes most sense is in document repositories that are meant
to be designed, organized, archived, searched across, and have multiple
owners of pieces over the course of time.  News can use those features,
but it's key driver is timeliness and accuracy.  Lightweight tooling
achieves this.

</analysis>
- Karsten
-- 
Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr.
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41