Marketing team -- here's the letter we could send to students and ambassadors for help with the one-page release notes. Please review and comment. If we need to make a lot of edits, no problem -- I'll move this to the wiki and we can work on it there.
Paul
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Hello,
The Fedora Marketing team is once again working on a "One-Page Release Notes" to promote the next Fedora release, Fedora 13 "Goddard." We produced a version of this document for the Fedora 12 release for which feedback was positive.
It's an attractive document that shows off the fun and excitement of being involved in the Fedora community, and it also highlights some of the changes in the release. The Fedora 12 version can be found here on the wiki, and several translations and alternate formats are also linked there:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes
We would like to refresh the content with brand-new photographs from our communities around the world. Here is our plan:
* The Marketing and Docs teams will create some placeholder content on the new page for Fedora 13, found here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_one_page_release_notes
* The placeholders will include narrative and links for important features from the Fedora 13 talking points and elsewhere in the Fedora 13 release notes that can be easily illustrated by photographs and screenshots.
* All photographs *must* be licensed either Creative Commons Attribution, or Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA). We cannot use photographs without proper licensing, or with CC NonCommercial or NoDerivatives (NC, ND) type licensing.
* Anyone who wants to submit a photograph can post it to Flickr, or their FedoraPeople.org space. If you need help setting up to use your Fedorapeople.org space, refer to this wiki page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedorapeople.org
* DON'T upload the photo straight to the wiki (for now). We'll want confirm the licensing, and crop and edit photos before uploading them, to save space and time.
* Screenshots are also useful! Make sure you are using the complete default theme for Fedora 13 without customizations. A good way to ensure this is to use a *fresh user account* to generate screenshots, so you're using default settings.
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Marketing team -- here's the letter we could send to students and ambassadors for help with the one-page release notes. Please review and comment. If we need to make a lot of edits, no problem -- I'll move this to the wiki and we can work on it there.
Paul
Hello,
The Fedora Marketing team is once again working on a "One-Page Release Notes" to promote the next Fedora release, Fedora 13 "Goddard." We produced a version of this document for the Fedora 12 release for which feedback was positive.
It's an attractive document that shows off the fun and excitement of being involved in the Fedora community, and it also highlights some of the changes in the release. The Fedora 12 version can be found here on the wiki, and several translations and alternate formats are also linked there:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes
We would like to refresh the content with brand-new photographs from our communities around the world. Here is our plan:
- The Marketing and Docs teams will create some placeholder content on
the new page for Fedora 13, found here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_one_page_release_notes
- The placeholders will include narrative and links for important
features from the Fedora 13 talking points and elsewhere in the Fedora 13 release notes that can be easily illustrated by photographs and screenshots.
- All photographs *must* be licensed either Creative Commons
Attribution, or Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA). We cannot use photographs without proper licensing, or with CC NonCommercial or NoDerivatives (NC, ND) type licensing.
Do we have any rules regarding things like needing consent from the photograph subject (if it is a person), regardless of license type? Particularly if they are pictures of minors? (Think students in a classroom, etc.)
Other than that - this looks dandy to me. Just want to avoid wading in those murky legal waters if we can. :) I'm not sure how CC licensing handles these types of things offhand.
-Robyn
- Anyone who wants to submit a photograph can post it to Flickr, or
their FedoraPeople.org space. If you need help setting up to use your Fedorapeople.org space, refer to this wiki page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedorapeople.org
- DON'T upload the photo straight to the wiki (for now). We'll want
confirm the licensing, and crop and edit photos before uploading them, to save space and time.
- Screenshots are also useful! Make sure you are using the complete
default theme for Fedora 13 without customizations. A good way to ensure this is to use a *fresh user account* to generate screenshots, so you're using default settings.
-- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 07:28:33PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
- All photographs *must* be licensed either Creative Commons
Attribution, or Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA). We cannot use photographs without proper licensing, or with CC NonCommercial or NoDerivatives (NC, ND) type licensing.
Do we have any rules regarding things like needing consent from the photograph subject (if it is a person), regardless of license type? Particularly if they are pictures of minors? (Think students in a classroom, etc.)
Other than that - this looks dandy to me. Just want to avoid wading in those murky legal waters if we can. :) I'm not sure how CC licensing handles these types of things offhand.
CC does not take care of personality rights/consent at all.
For the Fedora Picture Book, we used these: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2c/Picture_book_release_form.pdf But somebody needs to check with spot to see if we can reuse this or if we need a different one.
On 04/08/2010 06:51 AM, Ian Weller wrote:
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 07:28:33PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
Do we have any rules regarding things like needing consent from the photograph subject (if it is a person), regardless of license type? Particularly if they are pictures of minors? (Think students in a classroom, etc.)
Just to be safe, we better keep away from pictures with minors, this is a huge can of worms.
Other than that - this looks dandy to me. Just want to avoid wading in those murky legal waters if we can. :) I'm not sure how CC licensing handles these types of things offhand.
CC does not take care of personality rights/consent at all.
For the Fedora Picture Book, we used these: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2c/Picture_book_release_form.pdf But somebody needs to check with spot to see if we can reuse this or if we need a different one.
In my experience, if we wait for the legalese to get this "proper" then we miss all the deadlines and accomplish nothing. When we get all the papers, the enthusiasm around the project would be long gone.
I think a simple approach is to use subjects that have signed the CLA (people who are known contributors)
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 09:37:06AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 04/08/2010 06:51 AM, Ian Weller wrote:
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 07:28:33PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
Do we have any rules regarding things like needing consent from the photograph subject (if it is a person), regardless of license type? Particularly if they are pictures of minors? (Think students in a classroom, etc.)
Just to be safe, we better keep away from pictures with minors, this is a huge can of worms.
I do agree with this.
Other than that - this looks dandy to me. Just want to avoid wading in those murky legal waters if we can. :) I'm not sure how CC licensing handles these types of things offhand.
CC does not take care of personality rights/consent at all.
For the Fedora Picture Book, we used these: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2c/Picture_book_release_form.pdf But somebody needs to check with spot to see if we can reuse this or if we need a different one.
In my experience, if we wait for the legalese to get this "proper" then we miss all the deadlines and accomplish nothing. When we get all the papers, the enthusiasm around the project would be long gone.
+1.
I think a simple approach is to use subjects that have signed the CLA (people who are known contributors)
It would be ideal to be able to avoid the problem. We previously used pictures only of actual contributors, as a point of fact.
I'm not sure about this, but the Picture Book was going to be offered for sale, which might have changed the landscape of needing a release. Our purpose here is obviously not commercial sale, and perhaps the combination of that factor with having only our community members in photographs avoids the problem. On top of that, we could ask that the photographs be taken in a public place which might further dilute the need for a release.
On 04/08/2010 03:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I'm not sure about this, but the Picture Book was going to be offered for sale, which might have changed the landscape of needing a release. Our purpose here is obviously not commercial sale, and perhaps the combination of that factor with having only our community members in
Commercial/not commercial don't make a difference, the content is going to the wiki so it will be licensed as CC-BY-SA and that means allowing commercial reuse.
photographs avoids the problem. On top of that, we could ask that the photographs be taken in a public place which might further dilute the need for a release.
s/public place/public event/g
I have a lot of good faith in our contributors, I think any of them will be glad to have his photo in the release notes.
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:14:35PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 04/08/2010 03:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I'm not sure about this, but the Picture Book was going to be offered for sale, which might have changed the landscape of needing a release. Our purpose here is obviously not commercial sale, and perhaps the combination of that factor with having only our community members in
Commercial/not commercial don't make a difference, the content is going to the wiki so it will be licensed as CC-BY-SA and that means allowing commercial reuse.
photographs avoids the problem. On top of that, we could ask that the photographs be taken in a public place which might further dilute the need for a release.
s/public place/public event/g
I have a lot of good faith in our contributors, I think any of them will be glad to have his photo in the release notes.
Yes. In the end, the release is there to protect the photographer from risk, when they put the photograph to use in a product or publication. Because our subjects are all friends of ours, the licensing of the photos is clear, and there is no sale involved, the risk is extremely low. And if anyone wants their photo removed at any time, of course we would comply immediately.
As long as the people in the pictures are not minors, and have signed the CLA, we should not need to worry about releases.
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:14:35PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 04/08/2010 03:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I'm not sure about this, but the Picture Book was going to be offered for sale, which might have changed the landscape of needing a release. Our purpose here is obviously not commercial sale, and perhaps the combination of that factor with having only our community members in
Commercial/not commercial don't make a difference, the content is going to the wiki so it will be licensed as CC-BY-SA and that means allowing commercial reuse.
photographs avoids the problem. On top of that, we could ask that the photographs be taken in a public place which might further dilute the need for a release.
s/public place/public event/g
I have a lot of good faith in our contributors, I think any of them will be glad to have his photo in the release notes.
Yes. In the end, the release is there to protect the photographer from risk, when they put the photograph to use in a product or publication. Because our subjects are all friends of ours, the licensing of the photos is clear, and there is no sale involved, the risk is extremely low. And if anyone wants their photo removed at any time, of course we would comply immediately.
As long as the people in the pictures are not minors, and have signed the CLA, we should not need to worry about releases.
Would it be useful to have [[Fedora_photos_guidelines]] or something to that effect on the wiki? It seems like something we might refer to often, or is a question that comes up often.
Covering basically:
* What is the best license for my photos so they can be used by the Fedora Project * If pictures are used for publication - or if I have a publication that needs pictures - how do I go about getting a release form, where does it get stored, etc. * Guidelines for who are recommended subjects (friends), no minors, etc
Thoughts?
-Robyn
PS This may already exist... I just didn't see it, although admittedly, I didn't look very hard :)
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On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 07:28:33PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
Do we have any rules regarding things like needing consent from the photograph subject (if it is a person), regardless of license type? Particularly if they are pictures of minors? (Think students in a classroom, etc.)
Other than that - this looks dandy to me. Just want to avoid wading in those murky legal waters if we can. :) I'm not sure how CC licensing handles these types of things offhand.
Oy, you're right! We do need releases for models, I believe.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Picture_book_release_form.pdf
That's a release form specifically for the Picture Book project (dormant). It won't work here because it specifically authorizes for use in that project -- but I thought we had a more general form. I'll look into this and report back.
On 04/08/2010 03:51 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Oy, you're right! We do need releases for models, I believe.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Picture_book_release_form.pdf
That's a release form specifically for the Picture Book project (dormant). It won't work here because it specifically authorizes for use in that project -- but I thought we had a more general form. I'll look into this and report back.
At the time I tried to push for a more general form, but this was all we were able to get from Red Hat Legal.
Hy,
(dormant). It won't work here because it specifically authorizes for use in that project -- but I thought we had a more general form. I'll look into this and report back.
As far as I know we had a similar discussion back short before Marketing FAD and maybe there is a Ticket for that issue open...
At the time I tried to push for a more general form, but this was all we were able to get from Red Hat Legal.
I prepared some days back a general Translation for a TfP Model contract I use here in germany for shootings and I think the content is pretty much the same as in the picture book pdf.
It can be found at http://wonderer.fedorapeople.org/tfp_model_contract_english.pdf and .odt version. Maybe it helps one or another.
mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer@fedoraproject.org
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On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 19:28 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Marketing team -- here's the letter we could send to students and ambassadors for help with the one-page release notes. Please review and comment. If we need to make a lot of edits, no problem -- I'll move this to the wiki and we can work on it there.
Paul
Hello,
The Fedora Marketing team is once again working on a "One-Page Release Notes" to promote the next Fedora release, Fedora 13 "Goddard." We produced a version of this document for the Fedora 12 release for which feedback was positive.
It's an attractive document that shows off the fun and excitement of being involved in the Fedora community, and it also highlights some of the changes in the release. The Fedora 12 version can be found here on the wiki, and several translations and alternate formats are also linked there:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes
We would like to refresh the content with brand-new photographs from our communities around the world. Here is our plan:
- The Marketing and Docs teams will create some placeholder content on
the new page for Fedora 13, found here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_one_page_release_notes
- The placeholders will include narrative and links for important
features from the Fedora 13 talking points and elsewhere in the Fedora 13 release notes that can be easily illustrated by photographs and screenshots.
- All photographs *must* be licensed either Creative Commons
Attribution, or Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA). We cannot use photographs without proper licensing, or with CC NonCommercial or NoDerivatives (NC, ND) type licensing.
Do we have any rules regarding things like needing consent from the photograph subject (if it is a person), regardless of license type? Particularly if they are pictures of minors? (Think students in a classroom, etc.)
Other than that - this looks dandy to me. Just want to avoid wading in those murky legal waters if we can. :) I'm not sure how CC licensing handles these types of things offhand
I would suggest (I don't believe it has never been done before) never to use children. That aside, due to the sensivity of this subject and past distortions, I'm staying out of this.
Best of luck
-Robyn
- Anyone who wants to submit a photograph can post it to Flickr, or
their FedoraPeople.org space. If you need help setting up to use your Fedorapeople.org space, refer to this wiki page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedorapeople.org
- DON'T upload the photo straight to the wiki (for now). We'll want
confirm the licensing, and crop and edit photos before uploading them, to save space and time.
- Screenshots are also useful! Make sure you are using the complete
default theme for Fedora 13 without customizations. A good way to ensure this is to use a *fresh user account* to generate screenshots, so you're using default settings.
-- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
On 04/08/2010 05:49 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 19:28 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Do we have any rules regarding things like needing consent from the photograph subject (if it is a person), regardless of license type? Particularly if they are pictures of minors? (Think students in a classroom, etc.)
Other than that - this looks dandy to me. Just want to avoid wading in those murky legal waters if we can. :) I'm not sure how CC licensing handles these types of things offhand
I would suggest (I don't believe it has never been done before) never to use children. That aside, due to the sensivity of this subject and past distortions, I'm staying out of this.
Basically, to use minors we would need the release forms signed by their parents/legal guardians.
I think the best case would be when a contributor send photos made by himself with his own children and he has a good understanding of the rules. Anything less may lead to problems.
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:09 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Basically, to use minors we would need the release forms signed by their parents/legal guardians.
I think the best case would be when a contributor send photos made by himself with his own children and he has a good understanding of the rules. Anything less may lead to problems.
I wasn't even going through the legal stuff, I thought basically on ethics. We've had some seminars about advertising, and usually "children" was always a topic under ethics.
I am not sure how that is going in the US, but the European Parliament is preparing some legislation to protect children in both ways, as the target of advertisement and the usage of children in advertising.
This is a grey area in Europe at the moment, but I would expect some major changes within the next years.
For me is a matter of ethics above all else. At least I wouldn't expose my children or anyone else's children online. And as you mention, the legal issues (though my idea was mainly based on ethics, but this is also a handicap).
nelson
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 09:19:24PM +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:09 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Basically, to use minors we would need the release forms signed by their parents/legal guardians.
I think the best case would be when a contributor send photos made by himself with his own children and he has a good understanding of the rules. Anything less may lead to problems.
I wasn't even going through the legal stuff, I thought basically on ethics. We've had some seminars about advertising, and usually "children" was always a topic under ethics.
I am not sure how that is going in the US, but the European Parliament is preparing some legislation to protect children in both ways, as the target of advertisement and the usage of children in advertising.
This is a grey area in Europe at the moment, but I would expect some major changes within the next years.
For me is a matter of ethics above all else. At least I wouldn't expose my children or anyone else's children online. And as you mention, the legal issues (though my idea was mainly based on ethics, but this is also a handicap).
We won't be using photos of minors, period. That issue is closed.
Am Mittwoch, 7. April 2010 15:57:47 schrieb Paul W. Frields:
- All photographs *must* be licensed either Creative Commons Attribution, or Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA). We cannot use photographs without proper licensing, or with CC NonCommercial or NoDerivatives (NC, ND) type licensing.
- Anyone who wants to submit a photograph can post it to Flickr, or their FedoraPeople.org space. If you need help setting up to use your Fedorapeople.org space, refer to this wiki page:
Marketing Team not only for the Release Notes - i do only snaps - but if there is something you like you can use all what you can find:
http://jsimon.fedorapeople.org/events/
i can deliver larger resolutions if needed!
cu Joerg
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