A group of interested people gathered today to discuss breathing some new life into Fedora Weekly News (minutes below). What we concluded was that we'd actually like to breathe some life into Insight and for FWN to become an arm of that. To expound, here's the proposal:
- suehle, jbrooks, and iambryan have volunteered as editors
- We'd like to expand Insight to be more blog, web-magazine-style with: - Short, informative content like you might think of FWN for - Longer form stories, interviews, and articles - The technical content that Fedora used to create to some extent for Red Hat Magazine (which is in high demand but no longer exists) - Cultivated content from Planet - The content that Insight was already meant for, like Board meeting minutes or announcements
- Fedora Weekly News would then become the weekly email newsletter of highlights from what had been published on Insight that week.
- We'd like to see at least two writers/cultivators-of-content per beat
What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good answer. :-)
Thanks! Ruth
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Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fwn/2012-11-30/fedora_weekly_news.20...
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 04:02:44PM -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good answer. :-)
"Good idea!" from me.
I'd also be interested in helping with a cloud beat.
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:02 -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good answer. :-)
Good idea!
Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt?
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 04:28:59PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:02 -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good answer. :-)
Good idea!
Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt?
+1
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Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt?
+1 to WP
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I'm a huge fan of WordPress, so no objection here. I just wouldn't want to throw away any significant effort that has been put into Drupal features since I know how much work that is.
Ruth
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012, Ruth Suehle wrote:
I'm a huge fan of WordPress, so no objection here. I just wouldn't want to throw away any significant effort that has been put into Drupal features since I know how much work that is.
With whatever we use - we need to decommission the old systems entirely so we can reclaim the resources.
thanks -sv
Was just chatting with nirik on IRC about the feasibility of WordPress. He says it was not a joy to maintain last time we tried it. But if that's the preferred option, letting Wordpress.com host it and map to Insight costs a whopping $13/year, which I imagine we could find in the budget. It also massively simplifies user management, IMO, as a current editor of both WP and Drupal sites.
Ruth
Ruth Suehle píše v Pá 30. 11. 2012 v 17:07 -0500:
Was just chatting with nirik on IRC about the feasibility of WordPress. He says it was not a joy to maintain last time we tried it. But if that's the preferred option, letting Wordpress.com host it and map to Insight costs a whopping $13/year, which I imagine we could find in the budget. It also massively simplifies user management, IMO, as a current editor of both WP and Drupal sites.
Ruth
I have experience with both Drupal (devconf.cz) and Wordpress (fedora.cz). We have Wordpress with quite a few extensions at fedora.cz and sometimes things get broken during upgrades, but the overall experience with Wordpress is so much better than with Drupal that I prefer Wordpress in spite of occasional hiccups. Anyway, it's pretty much just an implementation detail. Content is what's going to make it successful. I hope we'll have something like OMG!Ubuntu or Webup8 about Fedora. A news magazine/blog that would make a buzz around Fedora.
Jiri
On 30 November 2012 14:28, Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:02 -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good answer. :-)
Good idea!
Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt?
That is kind of news to me. I thought it was the other way (they had done a WP type and thrown it out and then went to Drupal). What seemed to kill it to me was Real Life (TM) coming up and slapping a lot of contributors around at the same time.
I don't mean this that we should keep with Drupal.. both WP and Drupal are a pain to keep up with due to a large number of addons and security updates needed to keep them acting the way people want to use them. This is the case with all the CMS's because as addons are added the security and other interactions get easier to find exploits.
Looking at later emails in the list.. I would chip in for the hosted version if they will do the updates to plugins also and we can live with their menu of available plugins (eg if it is not on the list.. we aren't getting it.)
On 30 November 2012 22:28, Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:02 -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good answer. :-)
Good idea!
Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt?
+1
~m
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Ruth Suehle rsuehle@redhat.com wrote:
A group of interested people gathered today to discuss breathing some new life into Fedora Weekly News (minutes below). What we concluded was that we'd actually like to breathe some life into Insight and for FWN to become an arm of that. To expound, here's the proposal:
suehle, jbrooks, and iambryan have volunteered as editors
We'd like to expand Insight to be more blog, web-magazine-style with:
- Short, informative content like you might think of FWN for
- Longer form stories, interviews, and articles
- The technical content that Fedora used to create to some extent for
Red Hat Magazine (which is in high demand but no longer exists) - Cultivated content from Planet - The content that Insight was already meant for, like Board meeting minutes or announcements
- Fedora Weekly News would then become the weekly email newsletter of
highlights from what had been published on Insight that week.
- We'd like to see at least two writers/cultivators-of-content per beat
What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good answer. :-)
Thanks! Ruth
+1.
FWN is one of the core stream to send the news to the Fedora Community, technical magazines, and other respected communities of the world.
Since, I have been contributing at FWN, I have noticed the following which might help in future:
1. Very keen interest to update the beat. 2. Very few response. 3. Sometimes, hard to select the news from the mailing stream.
The editing of the news is not the very challenging task but updating the beat. Last time, the FWN was offered to automated the beat with a script, but to manual procedure was chosen to make the contributors very highly interest into the FWN. All these steps are now failed and it is notwithstanding useless to release the FWN with only not more than three or four contributors and with the two or three beats.
The FWN release hence been not published regularly since last couple months.
There is no offensive about all these, because FWN is part of marketing, logistics, and the board. Very few contributors are interested to step inside the vast news stream inside fedora and to me very few are actually aware about it except those who really into it.
Every idea has certain consequences unless you ever try. Here is my recommendation rather ideas:
1. To make the beat automated and let the editors collect their news. (It will be a giant beat in this case) 2. The readers love the following: 1. Make things faster, lighter, much effective, pictorial, one word or one sentence understanding with the whole news, more information but less words, and only those information that they want to use or read. (here we must analyze who we send the news, and what they actually want) 2. The FWN has to be send into the following format: 1. Make Tile 2. Contributors Name(Fedora Format) 3. Date and time of the news 4. Abstract (It is hard for those who have no idea about making genius news) 5. The original link of the news and sources 1. Make things non-technical for readers- there are lot who ignores reading technical news. We have our original link for those who loves technical details. 1. Make three types of news within one email: 1. One page gorgeous and colorful information Headlines(Link connected to the beat) and their abstract. 2. The regular beat for highly technical people until 3-a is on the people's plate. 3. Make things readable from iPad, cell phone, and related. 1. To appreciate the contributors, make some gorgeous title for those beat writers, editors, and contributors inside FWN alike "FWN Monkey", "Junior FWN", "Fedora Junior", "FWN Journo", "Fedora Journalist", or whatever the community loves. 2. The organogram of FWN- 1. The logistics board or the editors(who only review the content) before the news leads into public. 2. The editors(who is responsible to publish the news) to make the news non-technical with all the information. 3. The beat writers (I always believe is manual for those who really wants to works, but love automated when things go wrong.) 4. Contributing writer for thread and original link.
No wonder, the FWN must be ready to adopt the technical stream of news.
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