5:57 p.m.
Dear Mr. Marques
My name is André Braga. I'm writing from Brasilia, Brazil. I'm a Linux
user and enthusiast as you. I've started using Linux with a Brazilian
Red Hat based distribution: Conectiva Linux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conectiva. The first version of Conectiva
was distributed back in 1997. Maybe you've heard about Marcelo Tosatti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Tosatti. He started his career at
Conectiva. Mandrakesoft bought the company in 2005 (for 1.79 million
euros). I jumped to Fedora 2 at that time.
The previous paragraph is about one single distribution. If you search
a little, you'll notice that Brazil has an important role in the Linux
community and in the use of the Portuguese language within Linux. So,
it is not odd that we may find many pages in pt_BR, even when one
could expect only pt.
We also play an important role in the Portuguese language, which we
thankfully inherited from the great explorer Portugal country. I'd
like to state that we Brazilians love Portuguese as much as you
people. We also love Portugal's culture, despite of some prejudice we
may suffer. Nevertheless, an uncountable number of Portuguese came to
my gentle land to make their life since 1500, the beginning, until
now. More than 1,000,000 Portuguese were embraced in Brazil only in
the 20th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Brazilian).
Portugal has now near 11,000,000 people but it spreaded its beautiful
language through many countries. We are more than 190,000,000
Portuguese speakers in Brazil!
Above all this flame, it is important to know that there is not such a
thing as a “correct Portuguese (European)”. I could mention many
historical facts which support this statement, but the real point is
that since 01-jan-2010 the Portuguese Language Orthographic Agreement
of 1990 came into force. From Wikipedia: “The Portuguese Language
Orthographic Agreement of 1990 (in Portuguese, Acordo Ortográfico da
Língua Portuguesa de 1990) is an international treaty whose purpose is
to create a unified orthography for the Portuguese language, to be
used by all the countries that have Portuguese as their official
language. It was signed by official representatives from seven of the
eight Portuguese-language countries: Angola, Brazil, Cape Verde,
Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique, Portugal and São Tomé e Príncipe, in
Lisbon, on December 16, 1990, at the end of a negotiation, begun in
1980, between the Lisbon Science Academy and the Brazilian Academy of
Letters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Language_Orthographic_Agreement_o...
Besides, the mentioned page is not in pt_BR. Also, it is not that bad,
anyway! The word "cobrar" is badly employed, it is true. Maybe you can
also complain about the use of "você", but you can check that it is
listed in this PORTUGUESE on-line dictionary
http://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/default.aspx?pal=voc%C3%AA. The rest is
mostly a matter of writing style.
Anyway. Is it really that important? As for me, you can go there and
change everything. I'll still love Portuguese and Linux.
Kind regards.
André Luiz Sordi Braga
7:44 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
In the best interest of this list I'm not proving an asnwer to this email.
Com estimada consideração,
Nelson Manuel de Oliveira Marques
Citando André Braga <alsbraga(a)gmail.com>:
Dear Mr. Marques
My name is André Braga. I'm writing from Brasilia, Brazil. I'm a Linux
user and enthusiast as you. I've started using Linux with a Brazilian
Red Hat based distribution: Conectiva Linux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conectiva. The first version of Conectiva
was distributed back in 1997. Maybe you've heard about Marcelo Tosatti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Tosatti. He started his career at
Conectiva. Mandrakesoft bought the company in 2005 (for 1.79 million
euros). I jumped to Fedora 2 at that time.
The previous paragraph is about one single distribution. If you search
a little, you'll notice that Brazil has an important role in the Linux
community and in the use of the Portuguese language within Linux. So,
it is not odd that we may find many pages in pt_BR, even when one
could expect only pt.
We also play an important role in the Portuguese language, which we
thankfully inherited from the great explorer Portugal country. I'd
like to state that we Brazilians love Portuguese as much as you
people. We also love Portugal's culture, despite of some prejudice we
may suffer. Nevertheless, an uncountable number of Portuguese came to
my gentle land to make their life since 1500, the beginning, until
now. More than 1,000,000 Portuguese were embraced in Brazil only in
the 20th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Brazilian).
Portugal has now near 11,000,000 people but it spreaded its beautiful
language through many countries. We are more than 190,000,000
Portuguese speakers in Brazil!
Above all this flame, it is important to know that there is not such a
thing as a correct Portuguese (European). I could mention many
historical facts which support this statement, but the real point is
that since 01-jan-2010 the Portuguese Language Orthographic Agreement
of 1990 came into force. From Wikipedia: The Portuguese Language
Orthographic Agreement of 1990 (in Portuguese, Acordo Ortográfico da
Língua Portuguesa de 1990) is an international treaty whose purpose is
to create a unified orthography for the Portuguese language, to be
used by all the countries that have Portuguese as their official
language. It was signed by official representatives from seven of the
eight Portuguese-language countries: Angola, Brazil, Cape Verde,
Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique, Portugal and São Tomé e Príncipe, in
Lisbon, on December 16, 1990, at the end of a negotiation, begun in
1980, between the Lisbon Science Academy and the Brazilian Academy of
Letters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Language_Orthographic_Agreement_o...
Besides, the mentioned page is not in pt_BR. Also, it is not that bad,
anyway! The word "cobrar" is badly employed, it is true. Maybe you can
also complain about the use of "você", but you can check that it is
listed in this PORTUGUESE on-line dictionary
http://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/default.aspx?pal=voc%C3%AA. The rest is
mostly a matter of writing style.
Anyway. Is it really that important? As for me, you can go there and
change everything. I'll still love Portuguese and Linux.
Kind regards.
André Luiz Sordi Braga
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Com estimada consideração,
Nelson Manuel de Oliveira Marques
10:56 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
On 05/04/2010 09:44 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
In the best interest of this list I'm not proving an asnwer to this email.
Com estimada consideração,
Nelson Manuel de Oliveira Marques
Hi Nelson,
Standard Portuguese (pt_PT)?!?! Bullshit!
His comments were unfortunate.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Map-Lusophone_World-en...
(see, pt_PT (standard!?!?) is inexpressive)
Read! http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADngua_portuguesa
As Mario pointed... "Paul indicated a good plan to follow, I would go
with it." +1
If you have problems, talk to me by personal email address.
Best regards,
--
Filipe Rosset
Fedora Project
rosset.filipe(a)gmail.com
filiperosset(a)fedoraproject.org
Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi
11:37 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
2010/5/4 Filipe Rosset <rosset.filipe(a)gmail.com>:
On 05/04/2010 09:44 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
>
> In the best interest of this list I'm not proving an asnwer to this email.
>
> Com estimada consideração,
> Nelson Manuel de Oliveira Marques
Hi Nelson,
Standard Portuguese (pt_PT)?!?! Bullshit!
His comments were unfortunate.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Map-Lusophone_World-en...
(see, pt_PT (standard!?!?) is inexpressive)
Read! http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADngua_portuguesa
As Mario pointed... "Paul indicated a good plan to follow, I would go
with it." +1
If you have problems, talk to me by personal email address.
Best regards,
Globalization has two opposite trends. Generalization that makes
everything alike, but also has localization.
Localization is a good force to help grow local community. Makes
people with same local issues get together and work for showing their
cultural identity.
It can be a non ending debate about academic and historic reasons for
languages, but I think we are moving away from that debate toward a
local community expression. Making something useful.
As Paul said "This is great -- I saw some of your recent conversations
on the trans@ list and I applaud the teamwork!" This is moving away of
passionate debate looking for productive work. Last couple of emails
are late.
Today I wrote an email saying that Fedora Community is a reference for
many smaller communities (like Nicaraguan). These small communities
need to learn from Brazil, but also need to solve their own local
obstacles. As member of a small community, we can not perform as
Brazil does today, as we do not have the experience that you, as
group, have accumulated.
I don't see in the last couple of emails anything representative of
the admiration that I profess toward the Brazilian community.
--
Neville
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
Linux User # 473217
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12:37 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
Neville,
I do like a lot the work being made in Southern America and India (also
in other places). I do see planet many times with very great stuff being
done there, it's a good example for all community and people everywhere.
For me the important is to have information like this:
http://fedoraproject.org/pt/
http://fedoraproject.org/pt/get-fedora
http://fedoraproject.org/pt/join-fedora
http://fedoraproject.org/pt/get-help
From this point on, make all the links available in those pages in
current pt_PT. By pt_PT I mean that it should follow the guidelines and
rules of the conventions that define Portuguese in Portugal. In an easy
way, the same Portuguese that Portuguese writters use, like the Nobel
prize winner José Saramago and the Portuguese being taught in schools.
Only through this we can reach some good stuff, I can explain a couple:
pt_PT: feels that people approaching us are dealing with fellow
Portuguese people and an International Community. Their fellow
Portuguese people are often friends and are more closer, the ideal
bridge to encourage people to be around us.
Portugal: we can place more notoriety to our brand in Portugal. We can
be closer and gather people's attention to us. Their choices, will be
always their own.
If we can do it? Why not try? We need to keep the existing people
motivated.
For me this subject has been twisted and taken to a field that I don't
like, because it's a field where I won't step back a single step. I will
not betray my cultural identity and I will not accept that someone will
push by strength something that doesn't make any sense from the
Marketing point of view. Localization issues are some of the most
sensitive things and a critical factor of success.
As for local communities, I think they should follow communities that
are close to them, that's why I suggested working closer to spanish.
Because we can actually do things together and the co-existence between
Portugal and Spain is pacific.
I can also point that Spain and Portugal have signed a treaty that will
introduce students to learn Portuguese and Spanish together. This means
some student which goes to school in Spain will get his first two
languages: Portuguese and Spanish and vice-versa.
This is a fine example on how the cordial relations are between
Portugal and Spain, despite of the numerous wars we had and rivalries
during the Discoveries Era.
We are a small group, 5 accounted for so far, and a large part of us is
in the North of Portugal, less that 200Km away from Spain. There is a
lot we can do, instead of watching our LUG's die and do nothing...
I do recon that it seems that me and the other Portuguese contributors
are tuned on this subject, so that's a good start. We will gather soon
during the next month and we will work on a plan to make all the
difference.
I do leave my sincere gratitude for the Brazilians which helped so far,
but I have strong motives that make me believe that we can take this on
our own from a very close future on.
Nelson
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 22:37 -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
2010/5/4 Filipe Rosset <rosset.filipe(a)gmail.com>:
> On 05/04/2010 09:44 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
>>
>> In the best interest of this list I'm not proving an asnwer to this
email.
>>
>> Com estimada consideração,
>> Nelson Manuel de Oliveira Marques
>
> Hi Nelson,
> Standard Portuguese (pt_PT)?!?! Bullshit!
> His comments were unfortunate.
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Map-Lusophone_World-en...
> (see, pt_PT (standard!?!?) is inexpressive)
> Read! http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADngua_portuguesa
> As Mario pointed... "Paul indicated a good plan to follow, I would go
> with it." +1
> If you have problems, talk to me by personal email address.
> Best regards,
>
Globalization has two opposite trends. Generalization that makes
everything alike, but also has localization.
Localization is a good force to help grow local community. Makes
people with same local issues get together and work for showing their
cultural identity.
It can be a non ending debate about academic and historic reasons for
languages, but I think we are moving away from that debate toward a
local community expression. Making something useful.
As Paul said "This is great -- I saw some of your recent conversations
on the trans@ list and I applaud the teamwork!" This is moving away of
passionate debate looking for productive work. Last couple of emails
are late.
Today I wrote an email saying that Fedora Community is a reference for
many smaller communities (like Nicaraguan). These small communities
need to learn from Brazil, but also need to solve their own local
obstacles. As member of a small community, we can not perform as
Brazil does today, as we do not have the experience that you, as
group, have accumulated.
I don't see in the last couple of emails anything representative of
the admiration that I profess toward the Brazilian community.
--
Neville
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
Linux User # 473217
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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12:01 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 00:56 -0300, Filipe Rosset wrote:
On 05/04/2010 09:44 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
>
> In the best interest of this list I'm not proving an asnwer to this email.
>
> Com estimada consideração,
> Nelson Manuel de Oliveira Marques
Hi Nelson,
Standard Portuguese (pt_PT)?!?! Bullshit!
His comments were unfortunate.
Unfortunate? That's what we call a Euphemism, a better description would
be a full scale insult.
He will get his reply soon in a open letter.
Don't pretend we are friends, we are not. He is the enemy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Map-Lusophone_World-en...
(see, pt_PT (standard!?!?) is inexpressive)
Read! http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADngua_portuguesa
As Mario pointed... "Paul indicated a good plan to follow, I would go
with it." +1
We will, and soon there will, and will pressure the Project so that no
longer Portuguese audiences are to be referred to pt_BR. His email and
his theory of "strength in numbers" will not work. We are Portuguese,
not Brazilians. Those who do not respect it, are not our friends, as
they are insulting all our culture. We live and take pride on what we do
and did in the past, not live from someone's glories.
If you have problems, talk to me by personal email address.
I don't have problems, in fact I want distance from people like you and
your twisted sick manipulations that disrespect my people and my
culture.
Best regards,
--
Filipe Rosset
Fedora Project
rosset.filipe(a)gmail.com
filiperosset(a)fedoraproject.org
Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi
--
Nelson Marques
Evil Clown (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm)
5:54 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:01:12PM +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 00:56 -0300, Filipe Rosset wrote:
> On 05/04/2010 09:44 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
> >
> > In the best interest of this list I'm not proving an asnwer to this
email.
> >
> > Com estimada consideração,
> > Nelson Manuel de Oliveira Marques
>
> Hi Nelson,
> Standard Portuguese (pt_PT)?!?! Bullshit!
> His comments were unfortunate.
Unfortunate? That's what we call a Euphemism, a better description would
be a full scale insult.
He will get his reply soon in a open letter.
Don't pretend we are friends, we are not. He is the enemy.
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Map-Lusophone_World-en...
> (see, pt_PT (standard!?!?) is inexpressive)
> Read! http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADngua_portuguesa
> As Mario pointed... "Paul indicated a good plan to follow, I would go
> with it." +1
We will, and soon there will, and will pressure the Project so that no
longer Portuguese audiences are to be referred to pt_BR. His email and
his theory of "strength in numbers" will not work. We are Portuguese,
not Brazilians. Those who do not respect it, are not our friends, as
they are insulting all our culture. We live and take pride on what we do
and did in the past, not live from someone's glories.
> If you have problems, talk to me by personal email address.
I don't have problems, in fact I want distance from people like you and
your twisted sick manipulations that disrespect my people and my
culture.
The Fedora community and I expect a more civil tone on our lists. If
you cannot provide it, I ask that you take your discussion elsewhere,
away from Fedora.
--
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6:51 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
Paul and everyone,
I do apologize for some more harsh language, but I won't apologize for
the ideas behind them, as I do believe in them.
It was taken elsewhere and I did answered to one offending email by
private before all of this.
I don't believe you are acting impartially, and I am not naive to
neglect that Brazilians do occupy some strategical positions in the
community (all in general) and that gives them more leverage power. I
was speaking about this some minutes ago with GNOME pt_PT translators
from which they said they were on my side on this one.
As you follow the trans_pt lists, you know by now that it is easy for
me to mobilize people. You also noticed that joining me to them, and
eventually rallie for the other Portuguese on the Project we would have
a more strong position, and by now you wouldn't be dealing with just a
contributor, but instead a potential leader of a small part of the
community. Which brings me to a question...
Do you believe it would be better for me to leave? I really appreciated
your sincerity on it, and though you might not understand it, if that is
a benefit for the project or community, all you need to do, is ask for
it. I don't stay where I am not welcome, but I will not surrender and be
quiet when one or more attack my culture.
For your information, you warned me once before, because "bleeded my
eyes", I failed to see you warning others that stated "bleeded our
hearts". If one is offensive, so is the other. I dont believe you are
being impartial Paul... But maybe you haven't readed all the thread, and
I understand you are a man without much time, unlike me.
Please, if you believe that there is no place for me, feel free to ask
for my withdrawal. But I can't promise I will be nice if someone attacks
my culture and I do expect impartiality.
Small heads up: I've not answered an email and stated it. I was
expecting your intervention there. My bad, wrong assumptions.
nelson
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 18:54 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The Fedora community and I expect a more civil tone on our lists.
If
you cannot provide it, I ask that you take your discussion elsewhere,
away from Fedora.
--
Nelson Marques
Evil Clown (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm)
7:01 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 12:51:22AM +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 18:54 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> The Fedora community and I expect a more civil tone on our lists. If
> you cannot provide it, I ask that you take your discussion elsewhere,
> away from Fedora.
>
Paul and everyone,
I do apologize for some more harsh language, but I won't apologize for
the ideas behind them, as I do believe in them.
It was taken elsewhere and I did answered to one offending email by
private before all of this.
I don't believe you are acting impartially, and I am not naive to
neglect that Brazilians do occupy some strategical positions in the
community (all in general) and that gives them more leverage power. I
was speaking about this some minutes ago with GNOME pt_PT translators
from which they said they were on my side on this one.
As you follow the trans_pt lists, you know by now that it is easy for
me to mobilize people. You also noticed that joining me to them, and
eventually rallie for the other Portuguese on the Project we would have
a more strong position, and by now you wouldn't be dealing with just a
contributor, but instead a potential leader of a small part of the
community. Which brings me to a question...
Do you believe it would be better for me to leave? I really appreciated
your sincerity on it, and though you might not understand it, if that is
a benefit for the project or community, all you need to do, is ask for
it. I don't stay where I am not welcome, but I will not surrender and be
quiet when one or more attack my culture.
For your information, you warned me once before, because "bleeded my
eyes", I failed to see you warning others that stated "bleeded our
hearts". If one is offensive, so is the other. I dont believe you are
being impartial Paul... But maybe you haven't readed all the thread, and
I understand you are a man without much time, unlike me.
Please, if you believe that there is no place for me, feel free to ask
for my withdrawal. But I can't promise I will be nice if someone attacks
my culture and I do expect impartiality.
Small heads up: I've not answered an email and stated it. I was
expecting your intervention there. My bad, wrong assumptions.
It is unfortunately hard to tell that "you" in my email stands for the
plural, i.e. everyone who is sending insulting emails at each other.
I apologize that it was unclear, and I am not taking sides in this
discussion. The rest of the warning stands as I wrote it.
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7:46 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
2010/5/5 Nelson Marques <07721(a)ipam.pt>:
Paul and everyone,
I do apologize for some more harsh language, but I won't apologize for
the ideas behind them, as I do believe in them.
It was taken elsewhere and I did answered to one offending email by
private before all of this.
I don't believe you are acting impartially, and I am not naive to
neglect that Brazilians do occupy some strategical positions in the
community (all in general) and that gives them more leverage power. I
was speaking about this some minutes ago with GNOME pt_PT translators
from which they said they were on my side on this one.
As you follow the trans_pt lists, you know by now that it is easy for
me to mobilize people. You also noticed that joining me to them, and
eventually rallie for the other Portuguese on the Project we would have
a more strong position, and by now you wouldn't be dealing with just a
contributor, but instead a potential leader of a small part of the
community. Which brings me to a question...
Do you believe it would be better for me to leave? I really appreciated
your sincerity on it, and though you might not understand it, if that is
a benefit for the project or community, all you need to do, is ask for
it. I don't stay where I am not welcome, but I will not surrender and be
quiet when one or more attack my culture.
For your information, you warned me once before, because "bleeded my
eyes", I failed to see you warning others that stated "bleeded our
hearts". If one is offensive, so is the other. I dont believe you are
being impartial Paul... But maybe you haven't readed all the thread, and
I understand you are a man without much time, unlike me.
Please, if you believe that there is no place for me, feel free to ask
for my withdrawal. But I can't promise I will be nice if someone attacks
my culture and I do expect impartiality.
Small heads up: I've not answered an email and stated it. I was
expecting your intervention there. My bad, wrong assumptions.
nelson
Nelson:
The bottom line is that attacks aren't welcome here regardless of
where they come from or who they are against. There may be pieces here
that I haven't seen, but the traffic on the list has been unacceptable
by Fedora's standards. Those standards apply to everyone involved in
this thread and in the project.
We should also be giving fellow contributors the benefit of the doubt.
We are all working in written emails and IRC, which already loses
valuable communication channels like intonation and body language. Add
to that fact that we are communicating in english, and not everyone
speaks the same variant of english, and most of the people in this
thread do not have english as their mother-tongue and miscommunication
is bound to happen. It's very easy, in that case to perceive an insult
where none is intended, and things can easily escalate from there. In
example, on another mailing list I am on, a non-native english speaker
wrote a message which if read without that context, would have led one
to believe that the writer intended to commit criminal acts against
small children. That clearly was not the case, and the writer was
horrified at the impression it gave once informed. It's far too easy
to forget this complication because we are immersed in it daily.
Generally speaking I don't think that any contributor wishes ill
against any other contributor in the project.
Nelson: in response to your question of whether or not you should
depart. I certainly hope that you don't. I see great potential in some
of the work you are doing, and hope to see that flourish. However,
Fedora is a community, and the members of that community must respect
one another. Moreover I think, there's a technical solution to all of
this, that would obviate the disagreement. That being said, continued
behavior as seen in this thread, on your part or other's is not
tolerable.
11:27 p.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
David,
For expressions like: Above all this flame, it is important to know that
there is not such a thing as a “correct Portuguese (European)”.
I am expecting public apologies from it's author. Else, I will take
actions, in this list would be nice also from Mário Torre for refering
my official language as a dialect. That is a very depreciate comment.
nelson
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:46 -0400, David Nalley wrote:
Nelson: in response to your question of whether or not you should
depart. I certainly hope that you don't. I see great potential in some
of the work you are doing, and hope to see that flourish. However,
Fedora is a community, and the members of that community must respect
one another. Moreover I think, there's a technical solution to all of
this, that would obviate the disagreement. That being said, continued
behavior as seen in this thread, on your part or other's is not
tolerable.
--
Nelson Marques
Evil Clown (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm)
6:07 a.m.
New subject: Fedora Project em Português
Nelson!
I read all of the conversation and I do not see any point of ongoing
conversations on-list. PLEASE take that off the list!!!
You wrote yourself:
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On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 17:10 +0200, Mario Torre wrote:
> Correct,
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> I think this is Brasilian Portugues, isn't it?
Objective isn't flaming. I don't know if it is pt_BR or anything else,
but I know Portuguese it isn't. Explanation goes to Mario in Portuguese
for Mario only, because I am not sure if I can articulate this properly
in English:
[...]
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So, the whole thing is definitly a thing between the two of you and maybe the work of
translating some wikipages and redirect some URL's.
Also I see no Mails from Mario or any other with any disrespectful content, except your
mails where you going to tell again and again that there was some. We are going here in
circles and as Paul and David pointed out before and I also must agree with: please do not
threaten us with something that definitly do not concern The Marketing Mailinglist and the
actual Marketing plan. Thanks.
Am 06.05.2010 06:27, schrieb Nelson Marques:
David,
For expressions like: Above all this flame, it is important to know that
there is not such a thing as a “correct Portuguese (European)”.
I am expecting public apologies from it's author. Else, I will take
actions, in this list would be nice also from Mário Torre for refering
my official language as a dialect. That is a very depreciate comment.
nelson
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:46 -0400, David Nalley wrote:
> Nelson: in response to your question of whether or not you should
> depart. I certainly hope that you don't. I see great potential in some
> of the work you are doing, and hope to see that flourish. However,
> Fedora is a community, and the members of that community must respect
> one another. Moreover I think, there's a technical solution to all of
> this, that would obviate the disagreement. That being said, continued
> behavior as seen in this thread, on your part or other's is not
> tolerable.
>
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