9:39 a.m.
On Ven, 10 Ottobre 2008 4:27 pm, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
because is impossible to migrate every year to other Fedora Release.
With the short time support is impossible to work and use Fedora.
I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-)
I Like this slogan:
<<"Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven
years">>.
Best Regards,
--
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Fedora Ambassador
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AndreaModestoRossi
9:45 a.m.
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Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu:
I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-)
I Like this slogan:
<<"Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven
years">>.
Best Regards,
Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website.
For me, it's a bad argument and a very bad marketing slogan for Fedora
project!
--
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ
Fedora Community Manager - Latin America
http://www.proyectofedora.org
9:56 a.m.
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Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu:
> I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-)
>
> I Like this slogan:
> <<"Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven
> years">>.
>
> Best Regards,
>
Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website.
For me, it's a bad argument and a very bad marketing slogan for Fedora
project!
Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora Project.
Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market.
It's about developping / building / creating / innovating / revolutionning
the future of the desktop / server FOSS products.
The Fedora distribution is simply a tool to test and build this future.
1. If we wanted to conquer the desktop, we would find a legal way to
provide mp3 and other codecs
2. If we wanted to conquer the server, we would have a LTS (which we had
in fact, but Fedora Legacy died because no one was needing it / willing to
maintain it)
Regards,
----------
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
French Fedora Ambassador
----------
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safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin
10:07 a.m.
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu:
Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora
Project.
Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market.
It's about developping / building / creating / innovating / revolutionning
the future of the desktop / server FOSS products.
And why it cannot be changed???? What prevents us from arguing about
changes???? Is there a immutable law that Fedora stays that way? I
thougt the whole thing was about freedom (including the freedom of
change...)
-- duli
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10:24 a.m.
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu:
> Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora Project.
>
> Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market.
> It's about developping / building / creating / innovating /
> revolutionning
> the future of the desktop / server FOSS products.
>
>
And why it cannot be changed???? What prevents us from arguing about
changes???? Is there a immutable law that Fedora stays that way? I
thougt the whole thing was about freedom (including the freedom of
change...)
Well, When managing a project, you have to have a specific goal. If it's
too broad, you'll never manage to attain it as you have limited man power.
I'm sure it can be changed, but how many people are willing to do it ? Why
didn't you join the Fedora Legacy project before it died ? That actually
was the LTS you're expecting.
Now if you want it, just recreate it. No one will ever blame you for doing
it and everyone might encourage you in doing so. But unless you have a lot
of people contributing, you'll never succeed.
And as most of the Fedora contributors are technophiles wanting to have
always bleeding edge technologies improving at a very fast rate (which is
exactly the goal of the Fedora Project), I doubt you'll find a lot of
people wanting to help (but I might be speaking too much for others here
:)
Anyway, good luck in reopening the Fedora Legacy project, that would be a
really good initiative (even if I will personally never use it).
Regards,
10:34 a.m.
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu:
> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu:
>> Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora Project.
>>
>> Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market.
>> It's about developping / building / creating / innovating /
>> revolutionning
>> the future of the desktop / server FOSS products.
>>
>>
> And why it cannot be changed???? What prevents us from arguing about
> changes???? Is there a immutable law that Fedora stays that way? I
> thougt the whole thing was about freedom (including the freedom of
> change...)
Well, When managing a project, you have to have a specific goal. If it's
too broad, you'll never manage to attain it as you have limited man power.
I'm sure it can be changed, but how many people are willing to do it ? Why
didn't you join the Fedora Legacy project before it died ? That actually
was the LTS you're expecting.
Now if you want it, just recreate it. No one will ever blame you for doing
it and everyone might encourage you in doing so. But unless you have a lot
of people contributing, you'll never succeed.
And as most of the Fedora contributors are technophiles wanting to have
always bleeding edge technologies improving at a very fast rate (which is
exactly the goal of the Fedora Project), I doubt you'll find a lot of
people wanting to help (but I might be speaking too much for others here
:)
Anyway, good luck in reopening the Fedora Legacy project, that would be a
really good initiative (even if I will personally never use it).
Regards,
Reopen the Legacy project would be great!
But, we need to use the same infra and repositories of Fedora Project.
If the Legacy project will be a official project i can work HARD to
recruit people to work in LATAM.
So, that's is the question. Can we maintain Fedora releases by more 1
year officially, using the official mirrors and repos ?
The fedora Board has a position about this ?
--
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ
Fedora Community Manager - Latin America
http://www.proyectofedora.org
10:49 a.m.
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Reopen the Legacy project would be great!
But, we need to use the same infra and repositories of Fedora Project.
That's the problem IMHO.
If the Legacy project will be a official project i can work HARD to
recruit people to work in LATAM.
So, that's is the question. Can we maintain Fedora releases by more 1
year officially, using the official mirrors and repos ?
The fedora Board has a position about this ?
I think they have: a Fedora release is maintained only one year (but you
might want to ask them on their ML ;)
The Fedora Legacy was a community initiative, it was not an official one
by the Fedora Project, just like Fedora Unity is iirc.
Regards,
PS: could you stop replying to people CCing the mailing list and reply
directly (and only) to the mailing list ?
----------
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French Fedora Ambassador
----------
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin
11:48 a.m.
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Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want.... If I
want to open the "Space Monkeys Fedora" project I could.. But that´s not
the point here.
We are talking about wheter or not the Fedora board is willing to
sponsor this idea.
Since we saw the creation of CentOS, I assume it´s clearly not in the
Fedora objectives such thing, otherwise we would´ve seen something like
"FedoraOS". :)
Anyway, my point is such idea should be at Fedora goals. Everything that
drivers people away from Fedora should be considered, re-thought and,
maybe, re-implemented. Of course I cannot do it alone. I barely know hot
to build rpms and don´t have the infrastructure to do so. But that
doesn´t prevent me from incentivanting such idea and alerting Fedora
heads that maybe some goals do not contribute to the growth of the distro.
If this idea will be embraced or not, that´s another problem...
Unfortunatelly, I see it´s not... (what IMHO is sad). I think it´s
natural from an ambassador the desire to see the distro gain more and
more users... Sorry if I´m a little trenchant. I only do it because I
like the Fedora Project a lot! :)
-- duli
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu:
Well, When managing a project, you have to have a specific goal. If
it's
too broad, you'll never manage to attain it as you have limited man power.
I'm sure it can be changed, but how many people are willing to do it ? Why
didn't you join the Fedora Legacy project before it died ? That actually
was the LTS you're expecting.
Now if you want it, just recreate it. No one will ever blame you for doing
it and everyone might encourage you in doing so. But unless you have a lot
of people contributing, you'll never succeed.
And as most of the Fedora contributors are technophiles wanting to have
always bleeding edge technologies improving at a very fast rate (which is
exactly the goal of the Fedora Project), I doubt you'll find a lot of
people wanting to help (but I might be speaking too much for others here
:)
Anyway, good luck in reopening the Fedora Legacy project, that would be a
really good initiative (even if I will personally never use it).
Regards,
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12:42 p.m.
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo
<lfelipebm(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want.... If
I want
to open the "Space Monkeys Fedora" project I could.. But that´s not the
point here.
We are talking about wheter or not the Fedora board is willing to sponsor
this idea.
What would the Fedora board sponsoring the project change? It does not
control staff/budgets to say "Oh you 8 developers will now work on
long term support." It is up to FESCO to say "You can't put those
updates into Fedora-X because it would break stability." and it would
be up to the community to vote in people into FESCO to say that. And
it would be up to the community to build a SIG that is interested in
that.
When Fedora works well, it is when things are done Bottom-Up. That
means the community has to want to do something, organize to do
something, show what it is doing, and then follow through in doing it.
The community must want to do the heavy lifting first, and then do the
heavy lifting. All the top level can do is say "This is what the
community wants, here is how we can help the community to get
there..." and grease the gears to make it work better.
When Fedora breaks down, it is usually because either people want it
mandated from above, or somehting feels like it has been mandated.
When the community doesn't do the lifting.. no number of strong-men
rulers can fix that.
--
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"
12:47 p.m.
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Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote:
Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want.... If
I
want to open the "Space Monkeys Fedora" project I could.. But that´s not
the point here.
You will have to call it something else otherwise it would be a
trademark violation ;-)
We are talking about wheter or not the Fedora board is willing to
sponsor this idea.
Fedora Board does not have the ability to command volunteers. People do
the work involved and then ask Fedora Board to endorse an existing
effort. That's how existing sub projects has done. That's how Fedora
Legacy did it as well. The point is that you have to demonstrate that
there are people involved who are willing to put in the effort required
to maintain a release for a longer period of time.
Rahul
12:56 p.m.
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Rahul Sundaram escreveu:
Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote:
> Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want.... If
> I want to open the "Space Monkeys Fedora" project I could.. But that´s
> not the point here.
You will have to call it something else otherwise it would be a
trademark violation ;-)
> We are talking about wheter or not the Fedora board is willing to
> sponsor this idea.
Fedora Board does not have the ability to command volunteers. People do
the work involved and then ask Fedora Board to endorse an existing
effort. That's how existing sub projects has done. That's how Fedora
Legacy did it as well. The point is that you have to demonstrate that
there are people involved who are willing to put in the effort required
to maintain a release for a longer period of time.
Rahul
In 2009 my main goal at the Fedora Project in latin america will be
recruit people to the packaging project.
Increasing the number of people involved in this project we will can
think in the Legacy project more efficiently.
--
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ
Fedora Community Manager - Latin America
http://www.proyectofedora.org
12:59 p.m.
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Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
In 2009 my main goal at the Fedora Project in latin america will be
recruit people to the packaging project.
Very nice.
Increasing the number of people involved in this project we will can
think in the Legacy project more efficiently.
True, increasing the number of people will help us expand the scope and
quality of the project very much. Go for it!
Rahul
1:03 p.m.
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org
wrote:
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
> In 2009 my main goal at the Fedora Project in latin america will be
> recruit people to the packaging project.
>
Very nice.
+1 Count me in, Man
12:16 a.m.
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Rahul, Steven, Stephen: thanks for the constructive points you have
made. Much better than asking what he or she is doing... Things are
clearer to me. Again, I'm sorry if I'm incisive. I already spread the
Fedora word at my region and I'm always looking on some ways to improve
it. My intentions are the best.
Rahul Sundaram escreveu:
Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote:
> Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want.... If
> I want to open the "Space Monkeys Fedora" project I could.. But
> that´s not the point here.
You will have to call it something else otherwise it would be a
trademark violation ;-)
> We are talking about wheter or not the Fedora board is willing to
> sponsor this idea.
Fedora Board does not have the ability to command volunteers. People
do the work involved and then ask Fedora Board to endorse an existing
effort. That's how existing sub projects has done. That's how Fedora
Legacy did it as well. The point is that you have to demonstrate that
there are people involved who are willing to put in the effort
required to maintain a release for a longer period of time.
Rahul
1:36 p.m.
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On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 13:48 -0300, Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote:
Anyway, my point is such idea should be at Fedora goals. Everything
that
drivers people away from Fedora should be considered, re-thought and,
maybe, re-implemented.
Rule number one of demagoguery: you CANNOT please everyone. You cannot
even ATTEMPT to.
--
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet(a)gmail.com>
PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed
10:17 a.m.
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu:
> Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu:
>> I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-)
>>
>> I Like this slogan:
>> <<"Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following
seven
>> years">>.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
> Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website.
>
> For me, it's a bad argument and a very bad marketing slogan for Fedora
> project!
Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora Project.
Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market.
It's about developping / building / creating / innovating / revolutionning
the future of the desktop / server FOSS products.
The Fedora distribution is simply a tool to test and build this future.
1. If we wanted to conquer the desktop, we would find a legal way to
provide mp3 and other codecs
2. If we wanted to conquer the server, we would have a LTS (which we had
in fact, but Fedora Legacy died because no one was needing it / willing to
maintain it)
Regards,
----------
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
French Fedora Ambassador
----------
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin
I know what is Fedora and I understand the GOAL of the project, i'm here
since 2005.
But i disagree with some points! We can't only think in: "developping /
building / creating / innovating / revolutionning"
It's great for others distros like Red Hat EL and Centos, but for
Fedora, no!
Thinking in this way, we are working to improve other distros.
In Brazil, the base of Red Hat users is Fedora users in the past.
If the companies use Ubuntu, they will use Debian on Servers in the future.
It's happening here and is VERY bad for Fedora and Red Hat. SERPRO is
migrating from Fedora to Ubuntu and canceling contracts with Red hat to
put Debian in your servers, so, less $ to red hat less $ to Fedora
Project.
Fedora i loosing space, users, opportunities and contributors!
Who contribute with a project, want to see you contributions being used
in companies, schools, governments...
--
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ
Fedora Community Manager - Latin America
http://www.proyectofedora.org
10:44 a.m.
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I know what is Fedora and I understand the GOAL of the project,
i'm here
since 2005.
Try to think about this in terms of free software, not distro v distro.
For me, I use and contribute to Fedora because I care about freedom,
want to help drive freedom forward and believe Fedora is the best
place for me to achieve these goals at the moment. I couldn't careless
if people use Cent OS, RHEL, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo etc etc (some
questions Re: Ubuntu's stance on freedom), they're all going to be
using free software, much of which was developed on Fedora by Fedora
developers.
This has been my focus of marketing Fedora, the cool innovative work
that our developers do, to a) get them credit, and b) to encourage
others to come and join in as contributors.
Thinking in this way, we are working to improve other distros.
Which is fine, if freedom is what you really care about.
Who contribute with a project, want to see you contributions being
used
in companies, schools, governments...
And Fedora contributions are used in schools, governments etc, just in
other distributions, and that's something you should be proud of IMHO.
Jon
10:52 a.m.
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Jonathan Roberts escreveu:
> I know what is Fedora and I understand the GOAL of the project,
i'm here
> since 2005.
Try to think about this in terms of free software, not distro v distro.
For me, I use and contribute to Fedora because I care about freedom,
want to help drive freedom forward and believe Fedora is the best
place for me to achieve these goals at the moment. I couldn't careless
if people use Cent OS, RHEL, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo etc etc (some
questions Re: Ubuntu's stance on freedom), they're all going to be
using free software, much of which was developed on Fedora by Fedora
developers.
This has been my focus of marketing Fedora, the cool innovative work
that our developers do, to a) get them credit, and b) to encourage
others to come and join in as contributors.
> Thinking in this way, we are working to improve other distros.
Which is fine, if freedom is what you really care about.
> Who contribute with a project, want to see you contributions being used
> in companies, schools, governments...
And Fedora contributions are used in schools, governments etc, just in
other distributions, and that's something you should be proud of IMHO.
Jon
Yes, but we can BE BETTER, only adding more 1 year of updates to the
packages!! With this improvement on the project the number of
users/collaborators will increase!!
It's good for fedora, for red hat, for US... for the FOSS world!
Fedora is a good distro and can be much better!
This is the way!
--
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ
Fedora Community Manager - Latin America
http://www.proyectofedora.org
12:21 p.m.
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:52:11 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
<rodrigopadula(a)projetofedora.org> wrote:
Yes, but we can BE BETTER, only adding more 1 year of updates to the
packages!! With this improvement on the project the number of
users/collaborators will increase!!
It's good for fedora, for red hat, for US... for the FOSS world!
Fedora is a good distro and can be much better!
This is the way!
I think that we all agree on this point, an infinite support would be even
better :p I just doubt that people in the fedora project are willing to
maintain 4 releases, some people already don't maintain their packages for
the n-1 release now. I'm not arguing against you, in an ideal world it
would be great. I'm just being realistic.
The real and simple answer to this LTS problem would be for RedHat to offer
RHEL workstation for free (yes, the killed product), without support. The
maintenance effort has already been made for RHEL and you are not losing
any customers IMO. "Serious" businesses pay their subscriptions and the
others already use CentOS.
Steven
3:52 p.m.
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Steven Moix <steven.moix(a)axianet.ch> wrote:
The real and simple answer to this LTS problem would be for RedHat to
offer
RHEL workstation for free (yes, the killed product), without support. The
maintenance effort has already been made for RHEL and you are not losing
I'm not sure what you're talking about here - RHEL Client is not a
"killed" product. It's often misunderstood from Red Hat's
announcements wrt this that they have killed any desktop product. This
is simply untrue. Repeat after me:
RED HAT IS NOT ABANDONING THE DESKTOP!
What they *have* abandoned, however, is the notion that they can
compete in the consumer desktop space. This was quite a sound business
decision on their part, IMHO. The costs to support a consumer-focused
desktop distribution simply don't fit in the Red Hat model.
11:21 p.m.
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I have read a couple of news regarding this topic. I found clear leave
RHEL favouring a free distro. I was crystal clear to me using only one
distro makes things easy. What I fail to find in the news is a
technical reason to drop all RHEL and make standar Fedora, as they
should be good at with the past experience. In the several emails that
I have been reading in this topics found out that yearly updates may
be a burden. But that is not in any news that I have read. Long term
support may be a god thing, but I may argue that it was not the only
thing that came into play for this change.
I only regret knowing the fact that Wikipedia is/was using Fedora
until they have decided to switch as I may have been bored all my
acquaintances with it. As I have been telling everybody that Facebook
host a Fedora mirror but not ubuntu. (Are they using Fedora??) I think
the big lost is not have follow up to those flashy big project to help
them keep up Fedora. Telling that Roadrunner runs Fedora, make most
people think of cartoons.
Anyway, I appreciate that Fedora is the cutting edge. I am technically
challenged, so I will not develop anything, and mostly I stare amazed
the thing that Fedora brings to FOSS community. It seems elitist and I
feel a bit excluded if Fedora is really a distro for geeks. What I
mean if leading is what Fedora is all about, the marketing team and
fedora ambassadors should focus on gather and recruit leading
technical people and not trying to get everyday people.
I agree that it will be good to broad the range of Fedora users and if
long term support is an issue maybe has to be deal. Or try to simplify
more upgrades (something that is already easy). The bigger the
community, more ideas and more hand to have support.
But this is just my opinion.
Best regards!
--
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
<rodrigopadula(a)projetofedora.org> wrote:
Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu:
> I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-)
>
> I Like this slogan:
> <<"Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven
> years">>.
>
> Best Regards,
>
Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website.
For me, it's a bad argument and a very bad marketing slogan for Fedora
project!
Stability costs time. Time of people who are going to dedicate
themselves to keeping old bits from rotting and not being attracted to
the latest shiney. The community that Fedora has grown is not really
focused on that. It is focused on developing the next generation
software that will be used by other distros in the future.
The community that CentOS has grown is focused on stability and the
lack of shiney. If Fedora wants to go more into stability focus then
they need to work on growing that kind of community also. But that
takes dedicated people who have lots of time to focus on that versus
other issues. It takes extra build systems, extra diskspace, but most
of all extra time.
In the end, it is a black and white dichotomy with a volunteer
oriented project: You can have stability or you can have shiney. You
aren't going to have both because they are often orthoganal in
design/implementation.
--
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"
9:57 a.m.
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I think Fedora is great distro, which is why I´m involved with it (of
course...).
But sometimes it's *really* disappointing to see how people in Fedora
always seem to resit changes... So what there's RHEL and CentOS? So what
the Fedora purpose is to be a "lab"?!
Why can´t it be changed?
If Fedora nevers changes, it will always be a system for geeks only,
which I think is only good for... geeks! But terrible for the rest of
the world and even for Fedora. The less people using Fedora means less
support to it, the less search for it and, thus, the overcoming of other
distros...
The mentioned slogan is smart and beautiful, but does not hide the fact
that Fedora is still far away in terms of publicity and support than
other distros...
-- duli
Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu:
On Ven, 10 Ottobre 2008 4:27 pm, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
> because is impossible to migrate every year to other Fedora Release.
> With the short time support is impossible to work and use Fedora.
>
I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-)
I Like this slogan:
<<"Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven
years">>.
Best Regards,
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Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo escreveu:
I think Fedora is great distro, which is why I´m involved with it
(of
course...).
But sometimes it's *really* disappointing to see how people in Fedora
always seem to resit changes... So what there's RHEL and CentOS? So what
the Fedora purpose is to be a "lab"?!
Why can´t it be changed?
If Fedora nevers changes, it will always be a system for geeks only,
which I think is only good for... geeks! But terrible for the rest of
the world and even for Fedora. The less people using Fedora means less
support to it, the less search for it and, thus, the overcoming of other
distros...
The mentioned slogan is smart and beautiful, but does not hide the fact
that Fedora is still far away in terms of publicity and support than
other distros...
-- duli
Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu:
> On Ven, 10 Ottobre 2008 4:27 pm, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
>
>> because is impossible to migrate every year to other Fedora Release.
>> With the short time support is impossible to work and use Fedora.
>>
>
> I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-)
>
> I Like this slogan:
> <<"Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven
> years">>.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
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On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 11:57 -0300, Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote:
But sometimes it's *really* disappointing to see how people in
Fedora
always seem to resit changes... So what there's RHEL and CentOS? So what
the Fedora purpose is to be a "lab"?!
Why can´t it be changed?
What are *YOU* *DOING* about it? Other than posting a lot on mailing
lists, I mean.
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Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -
Jon Stanley -
Jonathan Roberts -
Luis Felipe Marzagao -
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Mathieu Bridon -
Neville A. Cross -
Rahul Sundaram -
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira -
Stephen John Smoogen -
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