[Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


http://gnuman.com/distros/fedora_core_6_beta_2_review.html

Rahul

[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review

[Leo]

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:10:33 +0530, Rahul wrote:

>  Hi
>
>
>  http://gnuman.com/distros/fedora_core_6_beta_2_review.html
>
>  Rahul
>  
What a poor review this is!

I'll bet the reviewer is not a serious user of fedora core.

But we can't blame the author. Just go to fedoraproject.org try if you
can find what's new in FC6.

-- 
Leon

[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review

[Rahul Sundaram]

Leon wrote:
>  On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:10:33 +0530, Rahul wrote:
>  
> > Hi
> >
> >
> > http://gnuman.com/distros/fedora_core_6_beta_2_review.html
> >
> > Rahul
> >
>  
>  What a poor review this is!
>  
>  I'll bet the reviewer is not a serious user of fedora core.
>  
>  But we can't blame the author. Just go to fedoraproject.org try if you
>  can find what's new in FC6.
>   
Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in 
progress development version?

Rahul

[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review

[Leo]

On Sat, 02/09/06 22:19 +0100, Rahul wrote:

>  Leon wrote:
> > On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:10:33 +0530, Rahul wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://gnuman.com/distros/fedora_core_6_beta_2_review.html
> >>
> >> Rahul
> >>
> >
> > What a poor review this is!
> >
> > I'll bet the reviewer is not a serious user of fedora core.
> >
> > But we can't blame the author. Just go to fedoraproject.org try if you
> > can find what's new in FC6.
> >
>
>  Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in
>  progress development version?
>
>  Rahul
>  
No, it shouldn't. But it should be easy for people to access (by search
or whatever) future release info.

In fact if we put in the front page "Top 10 key features in Fedora
core 6" extracted from this page

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6ReleaseSummary 

and form the latest news without preview text it might be better.

When I first started using GNU/Linux in 2002, people around me wound
recommend redhat. Nowadays, it's completely different.

-- 
Leon

[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review

[Rahul Sundaram]

Leon wrote:

> >>
> > Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in
> > progress development version?
> >
> > Rahul
> >
>  
>  No, it shouldn't. But it should be easy for people to access (by search
>  or whatever) future release info.
>   
What would you suggest the page be named as?


>  In fact if we put in the front page "Top 10 key features in
> Fedora
>  core 6" extracted from this page
>  
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6ReleaseSummary 
>  
>  and form the latest news without preview text it might be better. 

Do you mean fedora weekly news here?

Rahul

[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review

[Leo]

On Sun, 09/03/2006 17:00 +0100, Rahul wrote:

>  Leon wrote:
>
> >>>
> >> Why would fedoraproject.org frontpage list the new features of a in
> >> progress development version?
> >>
> >> Rahul
> >>
> >
> > No, it shouldn't. But it should be easy for people to access (by search
> > or whatever) future release info.
> >
>
>  What would you suggest the page be named as? 
I don't have anything specific to recommend. Just want to raise this
question. Because I think a lot of people come to fedoraproject.org to
find information about the next release and I don't think the front
page address this enough.

> > In fact if we put in the front page "Top 10 key features in Fedora
> > core 6" extracted from this page
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6ReleaseSummary 
> >
> > and form the latest news without preview text it might be better.
>
>
>  Do you mean fedora weekly news here? 
I mean the latest News in the front page. Weekly news is hosted in
another site, isn't it?

Overall I feel the wiki isn't very user friendly.

-- 
Leon

[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review

[Rahul Sundaram]

Leon wrote:

> >>
> > What would you suggest the page be named as?
>  
>  I don't have anything specific to recommend. Just want to raise this
>  question. Because I think a lot of people come to fedoraproject.org to
>  find information about the next release and I don't think the front
>  page address this enough. 
I already wrote a release summary but it is not complete. Many things 
are still being updated in the development tree. So we cant list the 
complete set of features. We might disable features if they dont work 
properly or get additional ones before the general release based on 
developer time, feedback etc.   You want me to put the release summary 
in the news section even thought its incomplete? If you want to write 
something new, feel free to.

>  
>  Overall I feel the wiki isn't very user friendly. 
Can you help?

Rahul

[Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage (was: Re: Fedora Core 6 Beta 2 Review)

[Dimitris Glezos]

O/H Rahul έγραψε:
>  Leon wrote:
>  
> >>>
> >> What would you suggest the page be named as?
> >
> > I don't have anything specific to recommend. Just want to raise this
> > question. Because I think a lot of people come to fedoraproject.org to
> > find information about the next release and I don't think the front
> > page address this enough.
>  
>  I already wrote a release summary but it is not complete. Many things
>  are still being updated in the development tree. So we cant list the
>  complete set of features. We might disable features if they dont work
>  properly or get additional ones before the general release based on
>  developer time, feedback etc.   You want me to put the release summary
>  in the news section even thought its incomplete? If you want to write
>  something new, feel free to. 
We could consider though including something "lighter" than the actual release
summary, right?

It's not a bad idea to have something like "What we are currently cooking".
GNOME goes a step further and includes such a section even in it's release notes:

  http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rnlookingforward.html

Cooking something doesn't mean it will actually be served. Hell, it might get
even burnt. =)

I think this is cool (from a marketing perspective), it motivates users to
expect something, to actually look forward to the next version. We could start
with something not very specific/promising and as the test versions are released
become more specific. Besides, by the time of test3 things become pretty solid.

-dim


>  
> >
> > Overall I feel the wiki isn't very user friendly.
>  
>  Can you help?
>  
>  Rahul
>  
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[Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage

[Rahul Sundaram]

Dimitris Glezos wrote:

>  We could consider though including something "lighter" than
> the actual release
>  summary, right? 
In the front page before the release is made? I have planned it long 
back but I havent had much help from anyone here before when I asked. 
See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6LaunchMediaPlan.

>  
>  It's not a bad idea to have something like "What we are currently
> cooking".
>  GNOME goes a step further and includes such a section even in it's release notes:
>  
>    http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rnlookingforward.html
>  
>  Cooking something doesn't mean it will actually be served. Hell, it might get
>  even burnt. =) 
We frequently dont have much information about the next release but I 
dont mind listing a few things that we things we are about to do. For FC7,

Reducing the size of Fedora Core. KDE in Extra among other things.
Network Manager by default
Unifying Core and Extras repository
{insert other plans here}

>  
>  I think this is cool (from a marketing perspective), it motivates users to
>  expect something, to actually look forward to the next version. We could start
>  with something not very specific/promising and as the test versions are released
>  become more specific. Besides, by the time of test3 things become pretty solid.
>  
>  -dim 
After test3 release yes but Leon's complaint as I understand it was that 
we dont have any information about FC6 *right now* in the frontpage 
which is think might be a bit premature.

Rahul

[Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage

[Marc Wiriadisastra]

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Subject: Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Next-release plans on the frontpage


>  Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>
> > We could consider though including something "lighter" than the actual 
> > release
> > summary, right?
>
>  In the front page before the release is made? I have planned it long back 
>  but I havent had much help from anyone here before when I asked. See 
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC6LaunchMediaPlan.
>
> >
> > It's not a bad idea to have something like "What we are currently 
> > cooking".
> > GNOME goes a step further and includes such a section even in it's 
> > release notes:
> >
> >   http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rnlookingforward.html
> >
> > Cooking something doesn't mean it will actually be served. Hell, it might 
> > get
> > even burnt. =)
>
>  We frequently dont have much information about the next release but I dont 
>  mind listing a few things that we things we are about to do. For FC7,
>
>  Reducing the size of Fedora Core. KDE in Extra among other things.
>  Network Manager by default
>  Unifying Core and Extras repository
>  {insert other plans here}
>
> >
> > I think this is cool (from a marketing perspective), it motivates users 
> > to
> > expect something, to actually look forward to the next version. We could 
> > start
> > with something not very specific/promising and as the test versions are 
> > released
> > become more specific. Besides, by the time of test3 things become pretty 
> > solid.
> >
> > -dim
>
>  After test3 release yes but Leon's complaint as I understand it was that 
>  we dont have any information about FC6 *right now* in the frontpage which 
>  is think might be a bit premature.
>
>  Rahul
>  
I actually agree with the whats cooking concept.  It would be good to get 
feedback from the devs and or ask them or someone from them to post up what 
they expect to be in say the next release then a future future release. 
Something that is getting worked on for FC6 and something thats hopefully 
going to make it to FC7.

At the top of the page we should put in big bold letters THIS IS NOT 
GUARANTEED TO BE IN.  As was said.  I still think we will get people saying 
why wasn't this or that in there.

I think in creating a page and linking it to the front we can get people to 
see where fedora is going.  The complaints about Fedora are being heard and 
are being addressed.  These aren't specific package bugs but conceptual 
bugs.  E.g. Fedora is to big and bulky.  Well in the future we are planning 
on reducing the size of it.

Things like that show that the devs are hearing the voices.  I remember 
Rahul getting berated on the fedora_users list because someone kept saying 
why does RH not listen to us and obviously they wanted changes in Fedora 
which had not happened.  I'm not to sure what it was regarding cause soon 
after I left cause it deteriorated into an underlying issue which had 
nothing to do with Fedora, one of the answers that was said was well you can 
get involved.  Which I agree with.

However the point of that is people don't know whether the devs know what 
the complaints are.  Not bug specific but feature specific.  I feel that a 
lot of the time the devs do hear what people say however they can't or 
choose not to communicate that back to the users and this page I feel would 
aide in that.

However some of the complaints that I had without posting or saying anything 
are getting dealt with and while it was a pleasant surprise I would have 
liked to know what potentially is going to happen in the future.  This also 
helps people with changes that are going to cause potential issues. 
SELinux, Hal originally I had huge number of issues with it.  Mainly due to 
me stuffing things up and manually adding mounts in fstab the usual.  While 
I have no doubt SELinux was a significant step forward there seemed to have 
very little info about it at the time.  Since then its improved immensely 
which is great however it would have been nice to see it ahead of time 
again.

I'm sorry if this seems way to long I just wanted to put some suggestions 
forward unfortunately I personally don't have the time to help specifically 
with it due to University contributing a significant work load to me.


Regards,



Marc