I'm a bit late with this, but I want to start talking about how we can
divide up our Q4 money worldwide.
There are two very specific goals that I have for the current round of
(1) Support the events that are taking place in December, January, and
(2) Give regions the resources that they need to create swag, CDs, and
any sort of marketing materials that the regional leadership wants.
The hope is that all the stuff created can last for the entirety of the
Fedora 10 release cycle, or reusable resources that folks need. In
short, long-term planning with short-term money.
I've combined the "Global events and swag" line item with the "Fedora 10
marketing" line item, and removed a few thousand dollars to stash aside
as a "buffer" that I like to maintain each quarter, for the unexpected.
With that in mind, I want to discuss how we can allocate about $23k
I'm going to start with EMEA, because all year long, I've been planning
that a big chunk of this Q4 money needs to go to the Fedora-fr team, to
really jump-start their 2009 planning, give them the resources that they
need for Linux Solutions, and to cover some swag production and smaller
events that they organize. To that end, I'm going to earmark $5,000 USD
for Fedora France (about 4000 EUR at today's exchange rates). My hope
is that we can give Fedora France most of the money they'll need for
2009 now, and future budget needs will be a bit smaller. Feedback from
the French team would be great.
Another $5,000 USD (about 4000 EUR) should cover the rest of EMEA not
only for Q4 (which includes FOSDEM), but also for creating any swag that
will be used further down the road. I think that we need some new
posters (the old ones are getting pretty beaten up), stickers, or
whatever else folks want to purchase.
EMEA -- about $10,000 USD total (about 8000 EUR), which will be
transferred to either Fedora-fr non-profit or the Fedora EMEA e.V.
NA -- From an event perspective, Q4 is a bunch of smaller events, so in
my mind I set aside about $2,000 for that. I'd like to set aside
another $5,000 USD for the NA leadership to tell me the best way to
spend it. Some of it is already allocated for the purchase of stickers
in NA that Mairin Duffy is taking care of.
NA -- about $7,000 USD total.
LATAM doesn't have any events at all in Q4, but I'd still like to get
about $3,000 USD spent on our behalf in that region, just to start to
get shirts, stickers, posters, or whatever stuff they'll need as next
year's conference season gets started. I expect that we'll spend more
money on LATAM in the early parts of next year's budget.
LATAM -- about $3,000 USD total.
APAC -- I'd like to let Harish Pillay take charge (from Singapore) of
getting a bunch of Fedora swag made up and available for distribution in
that region to our Ambassadors. For this, and also for funding some of
the events currently in that region, I'm allocating about $3,000.
APAC -- about $3,000 USD total.
Other things to consider:
Sankarshan continues to manage a budget for community stuff in India, so
swag production in India as well as individual Ambassadors who need
funding should go directly to him (but feel free to Cc me).
Feedback is welcome.
A great Linux Meetup happened tonight (
For the Philadelphia Pennsylvania USA Fedora Core 10 release party, 13
people met tonight at 7pm EST in the Day & Zimmerman building. A fifteen
minute overview of the Fedora Core 10 release began over an hour of
questions and answers session about the new FC10 release as well a Fedora in
Fedora Core 10 Live CDs were free for the taking with approximately 8 CDs
being taken for use elsewhere. A few people had their laptop in hand and
tried Fedora right on the spot tonight! A few other people had brought USB
flash drives so that they could try the non-destructive and persistent
installs of Fedora. There was even interest for the "Sugar" spin of Fedora!
The meeting room, overhead projection as well as all pizza and beverages
were provided by Yoh. (So, absolutely no cost to the Fedora Project for this
release party! I gladly donated the Live CDs)
Thank you everyone for your advice and mentoring these past few months. I
felt very comfortable speaking about Fedora with this group because of the
support from all of you on the Ambassador's list.
GPG key: FAF1751E
Re-posting from my blog:
It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM
community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's
LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February
Rodrigo has been leading Fedora's event organization, community
building, and OLPC efforts in that region of the world for about 4 years
now, and I've always been impressed with his organizational skills and
commitment to Fedora and free software. I have not had the opportunity
to meet Rodrigo in person, but Greg and Dennis traveled to FISL last
year and had an excellent experience.
I'm really excited that Rodrigo has accepted this job, because it is
another step in achieving the Community Architecture team's goal of
ensuring that each region of the world has someone within Red Hat who is
their primary point of contact for Fedora and community related
activities. I firmly believe that the more we can push accountability,
authority, and budget to local regions of our community, the more
successful it will be, and the faster it will grow.
Rodrigo's hire also gives Red Hat another person in the region who can
serve as an evangelist, community builder, and open source advocate not
just for Fedora, but for the entire company. We're going to be looking
to Rodrigo for his advice and thoughts on the best time and place to
organize our first FUDCon LATAM somewhere in 2009.
Congratulations to Rodrigo on joining the Red Hat family.
====As posted by me on http://groups.google.co.in/group/jiitlug ===
The Linux workshop has not ended yet!! Before you start thinking a lot, let
me clarify that IEEE has officially declared it closed, but guys what about
un-official?? We did not do it. did we?? :)
Anyways, I would like to share my thoughts/feelings that I came across in
past 15 days.
I feel extremely happy to write this letter.
First of all, I would like to thank and congratulate to everybody who was a
part of this extragavanza. It was the first official event related to
Linux/FOSS and I feel that we did pretty well. The enthusiasm displayed by
you all was much above my expectations. 15 days is not a short time and I'm
happy that we could connect to each other well. FOSS seems to have bridged
many gaps amongst us. We did not have 1st, 2nd, 3rd years sitting in the
sessions; we had JIITians!!
Secondly, I see this workshop as the foundation of FOSS at JIIT. My partners
Ankur and Puneet have done a splendid job. Without their efforts and fundoo
attitude we could not have lived the moments we cherish now. IEEE JIIT
Student Chapter (IJSB) has provided us with a much needed platform to
showcase FOSS. Gaurav Darbari, Priyanka, Chandni, Varun Mittal and and the
whole IJSB team has really come together as great people supporting our
endeavors. I originally planned for an event in October but I guess December
was the month cut out for this. And tell you what, it was the perfect time
that we could have ever asked for.
Thirdly, I would like to thank Satyaakam Goswami Sir for his guidance during
the workshop. He went out of the way to setup dates with the guests like
Supreet (the Python guy) and Karunakar (l10n, i18n guy). Satyaakam Sir's
mentorship was a blessing for us and I hope that the relation will continue
further and we all will gain more and more. I also thank Rajan Vaish (JUIT
Solan), Chirag Anand (JUIT Solan) and Khushbu Mohta (KEC) for sharing their
experiences with us. This indeed helped us to connect to FOSS as students. I
also thank Susmit Shannigrahi and the Fedora team who provided us with the
Fedora material and Gora Mohanty Sir who carried them all the way from
Bangalore to Delhi which were then picked up by Satyaakam Sir. See how
things happen in FOSS. :) I leave it upto you to search for the unknown
names I just mentioned and share with other on JIIT-LUG.
On a much personal front, I would like to say that I enjoyed sharing these
15 days with all of you. Just for the record, I never had this high
attendance in any of the semesters till date which was even brought to my
notice by my family :P
I hope we have touched FOSS well enough for you to explore further. FOSS for
me is a very emotional affair, its something that I was long been longing
for. I feel delighted to be associated with each one of you. If someone asks
me what is my contribution to FOSS till now, I would say "JIIT" without any
second thoughts. I feel very fortunate that I could convince you people to
join this side of software development.
Lastly, I wish that everyone who participated will not let the FOSS inside
you die with the receipt of certificate. It took birth to grow and blossom.
It would be very disheartening if the number of FOSSy guys from Workshop
drops. We had some 80+ guys at the beginning and on last day we had 40+.
Some of our friends left in between the workshop due to various reasons.
Though they did miss out on some things but NOTHING is lost. If you have
some complains/doubts/anything, please post on this thread. Don't keep it
inside you. We in FOSS world don't close anything, we share!! Also, I
request you to work towards spreading the FOSSness around JIIT. There were
many who did not join us this time. They also need to be made aware of what
we are upto. Talk about your experience and share your knowledge with others
to achieve this. Ask for help if you feel and I believe you know what/how to
do in FOSS. I hope you have put up the stickers wherever possible. :)
Also, I have done a small exercise in past 2 day to sum up the workshop. I
will divulge the details soon(its a surprise!). Next, I was wondering if we
can call ourselves FOSS family?? I have some roles/plans for this family and
everyone will easily fit in it. Please do post here and express your
views about anything. (BUT, please don't hijack the thread) :)
Keep you doubts/concerns pouring on JIIT-LUG. We have not started to stop.
Wishing you all happy vacations and a fun-filled FOSS journey, I hereby
announce Linux Workshop un-officialy closed!
Let the FOSSness spread!!
Linux User# 474643
"Life is the greatest teacher"
(08:00:41 PM) inode0: FAmNA Meeting Roll Call
(08:01:09 PM) ***ke4qqq is here
(08:01:34 PM) ***DemonJester present
(08:01:39 PM) QUICKSTART: QUICKSTART READY TO START
(08:02:40 PM) ***inode0 notes herlo is here in spirit
(08:02:55 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:02:57 PM) inode0: Annoucements ...
(08:03:13 PM) inode0: (1) elections - voting closes on the 20th so don't forget
(08:03:43 PM) inode0: (2) we need an owner for the Linux Symposium in
Montreal next July
(08:03:47 PM) ke4qqq: has everyone voted??
(08:03:53 PM) ke4qqq: anyone need help?
(08:04:00 PM) ***ke4qqq apologizes
(08:04:06 PM) QUICKSTART: Too far from Montreal and no money for the
(08:04:09 PM) ***inode0 is sure everyone has not voted :)
(08:04:10 PM) ***DemonJester has voted already
(08:04:29 PM) ke4qqq: !
(08:04:39 PM) QUICKSTART: I haven't voted
(08:04:51 PM) inode0: ke4qqq
(08:04:54 PM) QUICKSTART: link for the candidates please?
(08:05:07 PM) ke4qqq: so - can we talk real briefly about the original
(08:05:21 PM) inode0: sure
(08:05:39 PM) QUICKSTART: by all means lead the way
(08:05:44 PM) ke4qqq: so they originally wanted a hackfest or
something of that nature that Fedora would hold there -sort of a
(08:05:59 PM) inode0: yes
(08:06:17 PM) ***jimi_c is here... sorry for being late
(08:06:18 PM) ke4qqq: but perhaps it's a location for FADNA - which
we'll discuss later - but regardless we need at a minimum to find
someone to 'own' OLS - regardless of the rest
(08:06:47 PM) inode0: agreed
(08:06:50 PM) QUICKSTART: does the person have to be physically present?
(08:06:53 PM) DemonJester: inode0: any luck with Adam?
(08:06:57 PM) ke4qqq: hi lisa
(08:07:04 PM) Adora: heya!
(08:07:07 PM) inode0: I've contacted the last person I know in
Montreal, no reply yet from Adam
(08:07:08 PM) Adora: <--- lisa
(08:07:18 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: ping
(08:08:13 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: yes
(08:08:35 PM) inode0: it would at least help a lot
(08:08:52 PM) ke4qqq: ok - well no good movement there
(08:09:03 PM) ke4qqq: I suggest that if we don't have someone by end of the week
(08:09:13 PM) ke4qqq: we tell them we simply don't have anyone to own
(08:09:13 PM) QUICKSTART: Too far from Montreal and no money for the
(08:09:14 PM) ke4qqq: it
(08:09:17 PM) inode0: I just sent a feeler this afternoon to Adam,
let's give him a couple of days
(08:09:26 PM) QUICKSTART: sorry had a lag with the key board
(08:09:34 PM) ke4qqq: end of the week == a couple of days?
(08:09:39 PM) ke4qqq: lets get this out on the list too
(08:09:49 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^^^^
(08:09:49 PM) ***ke4qqq doesn't want someone to say we didn't tell them
(08:10:00 PM) inode0: it has been on the list
(08:10:01 PM) ***ke4qqq takes that action item
(08:10:12 PM) ke4qqq: I know - but I am going to say we simply won't do it
(08:10:18 PM) ke4qqq: which may motivate one person
(08:10:31 PM) ke4qqq: anyway eof from me
(08:10:53 PM) inode0: well, let's give Adam the rest of the week in
case he is interested - then post to f-a-l something dire
(08:11:04 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:11:28 PM) inode0: any announcements from others?
(08:11:53 PM) inode0: Let's move on to FADNA then
(08:11:57 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:12:04 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:12:14 PM) inode0: Larry posted to f-a-l tonight
(08:12:24 PM) inode0: about SCaLE
(08:12:36 PM) inode0: he is willing to own that
(08:12:47 PM) ke4qqq: scale or fadna at scale?
(08:12:57 PM) inode0: FADNA @ SCaLE
(08:12:57 PM) DemonJester:
(08:13:05 PM) inode0: herlo owns SCaLE I think
(08:14:02 PM) inode0: so does anyone have a big objection to doing the
next FADNA at SCaLE on fairly short notice?
(08:14:31 PM) ***ke4qqq does but it doesn't matter
(08:14:35 PM) DemonJester: I can only be there in spirit and or stream
/ conference call
(08:14:54 PM) ***ke4qqq thinks it's awfully close to fudcon
(08:15:03 PM) inode0: ok, let's talk about that
(08:15:07 PM) Adora: how many west coasters are going to fudcon?
(08:15:13 PM) inode0: SCaLE, SELF, and OLS are all close to FUDcon
(08:15:31 PM) inode0: if close is defined to be within 2 months of FUDcon
(08:15:31 PM) ke4qqq: indeed
(08:15:35 PM) DemonJester: Adora: not sure to be honest
(08:15:37 PM) ke4qqq: OLF wasn't
(08:15:40 PM) ke4qqq: and was ideal
(08:15:42 PM) ke4qqq: IMO
(08:15:47 PM) ke4qqq: whatabout LFNW?
(08:15:50 PM) ke4qqq: or OSCON?
(08:15:54 PM) inode0: SCaLE is actually the farthest away from FUDcon
of the conferences currently on the table
(08:16:16 PM) ke4qqq: adora: that I know of, 2-3 unless you consider
hi to be west coast :) then add one :)
(08:16:28 PM) ke4qqq: true
(08:16:30 PM) inode0: what about them? no one has come forward
suggesting them seriously that I'm aware of
(08:16:58 PM) admin1lbo: sorry I left so abruptly
(08:17:13 PM) admin1lbo: lost control of my computer
(08:17:23 PM) ***herlo is here somewhat
(08:17:39 PM) inode0: combining with OSCON I view as problematic, same
problems EMEA had I would expect we would have doing that
(08:17:50 PM) ke4qqq: I agree
(08:17:55 PM) DemonJester: as do I
(08:18:35 PM) inode0: PyCon is at a nice time, perhaps not a nice location?!
(08:18:39 PM) ***herlo htinks either LFNW or SCaLE are viable targets
(08:18:51 PM) inode0: when is LFNW?
(08:18:52 PM) herlo: where's pycon?
(08:19:01 PM) inode0: pycon is chicago in march
(08:19:10 PM) herlo: April
(08:19:14 PM) herlo: lfnw
(08:19:23 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: Herlo mentioned it!
(08:19:36 PM) inode0: but seriously? :)
(08:19:52 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:20:14 PM) herlo: what did I mention?
(08:20:29 PM) herlo: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/
(08:20:46 PM) inode0: I'm sympathetic to a west coast FADNA ... that
can happen sooner than a west coast FUDcon
(08:21:00 PM) ke4qqq: url == serious mention inode0
(08:21:02 PM) ke4qqq: indeed
(08:21:08 PM) herlo: LNFW is on the west coast
(08:21:17 PM) ke4qqq: I am not against it aside from proximity to fudcon
(08:21:23 PM) inode0: and it might be a good opportunity to experiment
with Max - including a small hackfest or something
(08:21:56 PM) ke4qqq: what are we doing to Max?
(08:22:19 PM) inode0: Max expressed interest in expanding FAD a bit
(08:23:03 PM) inode0: and on the west coast it might be nice to give
developers an opportunity to get together too if we can
(08:23:31 PM) inode0: if not, we aren't out anything, just something to chew on
(08:23:56 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: is LFNW too close to FUDcon?
(08:24:00 PM) ke4qqq: date?
(08:24:13 PM) DemonJester: 4/25 - 4/26
(08:24:13 PM) inode0: herlo said april, right?
(08:24:39 PM) ke4qqq: that looks better- but how many people can
attend is the next question
(08:24:40 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: let's just define "too close to FUDcon" please
(08:24:47 PM) ke4qqq: 60 days?
(08:24:51 PM) ke4qqq: is that too broad?
(08:24:56 PM) ke4qqq: 45 days at least IMO
(08:25:02 PM) ke4qqq: but I don't want to legislate this.
(08:25:13 PM) ke4qqq: but for instance
(08:25:16 PM) inode0: ok, I want to know what you think is too close -
I don't really care about it being close
(08:25:18 PM) ***ke4qqq is going to pick on adora
(08:25:22 PM) Adora: o_0
(08:25:24 PM) herlo: 60 days
(08:25:25 PM) ke4qqq: adora is on the west coast -
(08:25:41 PM) ke4qqq: if she has to choose between stretching things
for fudcon and attending fadna in her backyard
(08:25:44 PM) inode0: because 60 days on each side doesn't leave much :)
(08:25:47 PM) ke4qqq: I'd bet it'd be the latter
(08:26:19 PM) herlo: let's not go back to this conversation about
whether people can make one or both. It doesn't benefit us
(08:26:43 PM) ke4qqq: then why do we care if it is too close?
(08:26:46 PM) herlo: let's just pick a date, whether it'll be with a
con or not, and go forward
(08:26:46 PM) inode0: agreed, it can't be resolved
(08:26:51 PM) DemonJester: whoever can make it makes it, I say pick a
spot on the West coast and run with it
(08:26:59 PM) Adora: if there's a true benefit to fudcon, people will
make the effort to go (and it sounds like there is)
(08:27:03 PM) ke4qqq: SCALE has an owner - let him run with it
(08:27:12 PM) herlo: fudcon is the only thing I'd concern myself with,
I'd like it to be the opposite 3 months from the fudcons...
(08:27:25 PM) ke4qqq: why?
(08:27:43 PM) ke4qqq: is that just a preference?
(08:27:46 PM) Adora: and for people who can't, in my opinion it's good
for the community to have another event around the same time that they
can feel involved with
(08:27:47 PM) herlo: because as was pointed out previously, if it
comes down to a debate between the two...
(08:27:48 PM) ke4qqq: or??
(08:28:01 PM) inode0: we aren't talking about that tonight herlo :)
(08:28:04 PM) ke4qqq: thought we weren't arguing that?
(08:28:05 PM) ke4qqq: lo.l
(08:28:06 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:28:14 PM) herlo: inode0: oh, sorry
(08:28:34 PM) admin1lbo: why am I logged off
(08:28:49 PM) ke4qqq: I say if lcafiero wants to run with it, we give
him our blessing if we don't care about competition
(08:28:52 PM) herlo: that's not what I was pointing out. but rather
an example of the only concern we should have...
(08:28:58 PM) ke4qqq: not that he needs it
(08:29:03 PM) herlo: hehe
(08:29:09 PM) inode0: I sense sympathy with let larry run with SCaLE
if he wants to. He might be interested in whether core ambassadors can
or can't attend though.
(08:29:46 PM) ke4qqq: one thing that I think would define it is budget
(08:29:56 PM) ke4qqq: if he gets budget to put people up
(08:30:03 PM) ke4qqq: (as EMEA FADs do)
(08:30:03 PM) inode0: let's touch base with larry this week and see if
he wants to run
(08:30:08 PM) herlo: April would be better for budget
(08:30:14 PM) ke4qqq: would it?
(08:30:26 PM) ke4qqq: whats the basis of that?
(08:30:32 PM) inode0: budget is coming up very shortly tonight -
likely a small budget for Q4 FADNA
(08:30:34 PM) ke4qqq: aside from we already have everything spent :)
(08:30:38 PM) kanarip: what about the EMEA FADs?
(08:30:42 PM) herlo: well, we have about 400 left this quarter,
assuming we have a budget at all
(08:31:06 PM) inode0: kanarip: EMEA FADs are funded differently now
(08:31:24 PM) kanarip: yes they are
(08:31:26 PM) inode0: that may change this year
(08:31:32 PM) ianweller: pong
(08:31:45 PM) QUICKSTART: 400$ or more then 4 hundred?
(08:31:45 PM) inode0: we may get one FAD funded more heavily
(08:31:55 PM) inode0: but it won't be in Q4
(08:32:49 PM) inode0: ok, let's talk with larry and try to finalize
this next week
(08:33:03 PM) inode0: any other FADNA discussion?
(08:33:19 PM) inode0: Q4 Budget
(08:33:22 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
(08:33:34 PM) inode0: comments?
(08:33:57 PM) ***ke4qqq really wants to maintain some spare change and
honeslty 400 scares me
(08:34:01 PM) inode0: if there are any budget items you think we
should be spending funds for that aren't listed please get them on the
(08:34:03 PM) ke4qqq: wish it was more
(08:34:11 PM) ke4qqq: or if you don't like the amounts
(08:34:32 PM) ***inode0 is inclined to not leave any slack
(08:35:02 PM) herlo: why?
(08:35:15 PM) inode0: or at least allocate it to some category
(discretionary, miscellaneous, or some such)
(08:35:15 PM) ke4qqq: why what herlo ?
(08:35:29 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: why that ^^
(08:35:30 PM) ke4qqq: I am worried about an opportunity coming up - or
(08:35:32 PM) herlo: inode0: answered it
(08:35:46 PM) ke4qqq: say tshirts are 1100 with shipping or something
(08:36:12 PM) ***DemonJester notes I will be getting an exact quote
end of this week on those
(08:36:13 PM) inode0: max has indicated there is likely to be more,
and I think we should have a wish list here that is as long as we want
(08:36:17 PM) herlo: sure, thus inode0's point, make it be discretionary
(08:36:53 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: can we have it any sooner?
(08:36:53 PM) inode0: if FADNA @ SCaLE I think it should be allocated there
(08:37:18 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I can try for tomorrow but I am out
of office most of the day.
(08:37:29 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:37:29 PM) QUICKSTART: question how do we order CDs ?
(08:37:36 PM) QUICKSTART: are they free or do we pay?
(08:37:40 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: who do you mean by we
(08:37:41 PM) herlo: QUICKSTART: we'll get to that
(08:37:47 PM) inode0: please hold that until the budget is passed
(08:37:49 PM) QUICKSTART: ok thnaks
(08:38:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok - ...suggest we make event box and tattoos
(08:38:33 PM) ke4qqq: FADNA @ SCALE
(08:38:44 PM) ke4qqq: and we retain current balance for unforeseen expenses
(08:39:02 PM) ke4qqq: and if larry makes it tonight lets get it ironed out then
(08:39:05 PM) herlo: eventbox is Wests anyway, that should be no biggie
(08:39:18 PM) ke4qqq: right but additional event box would be cut
(08:39:25 PM) ke4qqq: at least for this quarter
(08:39:46 PM) herlo: oh, I see
(08:41:46 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:41:52 PM) ke4qqq: so here is what I propose
(08:42:13 PM) ke4qqq: we allocate the balance to FADNA@SCALE - and
failing that a second event box
(08:42:23 PM) ke4qqq: or discretionary funding for regionals to use
(08:43:08 PM) ke4qqq: with the understanding that that funding (and
tats, and eventboxes) may get killed if needed for events or other
things that promote fedora better
(08:43:12 PM) ke4qqq: thoughts?
(08:43:37 PM) inode0: we might have some play with the shipping number too
(08:43:47 PM) QUICKSTART: how bout shirts
(08:43:53 PM) inode0: with only two event box events that could be a bit high
(08:44:03 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: we have to ship tons of media
(08:44:06 PM) ke4qqq: and stickers
(08:44:08 PM) QUICKSTART: hold a contest or something
(08:44:09 PM) ke4qqq: and shirts
(08:44:25 PM) herlo: how much is that then?
(08:44:27 PM) herlo: for FADNA
(08:44:28 PM) ke4qqq: that's based on alex's 250/quarter meeting
(08:44:29 PM) QUICKSTART: I mean like a design contest for the
official fedora shirt or something like that
(08:44:42 PM) ke4qqq: right now it's 433
(08:44:51 PM) inode0: for what exactly?
(08:44:51 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: let us get through the budget first
(08:44:56 PM) herlo: that'd be a nice number for a FADNA
(08:44:57 PM) ke4qqq: FADNA
(08:45:00 PM) QUICKSTART: k
(08:46:15 PM) inode0: we need to talk to larry about the cost of
FADNA, but I think $500 is about the minimum
(08:46:55 PM) ke4qqq: why is that?
(08:47:05 PM) DemonJester: West Coast!
(08:47:19 PM) herlo: I think SCALE's budget can help
(08:47:34 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:48:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok - I just updated budget
(08:48:48 PM) ***herlo is going to look
(08:49:08 PM) inode0: well, $500 or $433, I wasn't quibbling - just
think it will need something in that ballpark to barely function
(08:49:43 PM) ke4qqq: and updated again
(08:49:49 PM) ke4qqq: with a disclaimer
(08:49:53 PM) inode0: ok, aside from FADNA, are there other spending
items we should list?
(08:50:00 PM) inode0: even if we can't fund them now
(08:50:26 PM) inode0: maybe we should list what is being skipped by
funding at $0 - like the missing media
(08:50:39 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh yeah
(08:50:57 PM) herlo: ambassadorkit
(08:51:02 PM) ***herlo keeps bringing this up
(08:51:12 PM) inode0: good point herlo
(08:51:14 PM) Adora: I like kits. =]
(08:51:23 PM) herlo: we need to do r&d on this at FUDCon
(08:51:27 PM) ***inode0 steps away briefly, please continue
(08:51:27 PM) herlo: so we need some funds for that
(08:52:01 PM) ke4qqq: how much is R&D exclusive of shippin
(08:52:03 PM) ke4qqq: shipping
(08:52:11 PM) ke4qqq: guesstimate?
(08:52:32 PM) ***ke4qqq admits he really doesn't understand the R&D costs
(08:52:58 PM) herlo: I want to purchase boxes or at least do some
research on the boxes
(08:53:07 PM) ke4qqq: shipping boxes?
(08:53:11 PM) ke4qqq: or??
(08:53:19 PM) herlo: both
(08:53:24 PM) ke4qqq: both?
(08:53:29 PM) herlo: shipping boxes and the display boxes to hold the media
(08:53:37 PM) ke4qqq: shipping boxes are free - just ask for them to
be sent to you.
(08:53:44 PM) herlo: no
(08:53:49 PM) herlo: they arent for what I want
(08:53:55 PM) ke4qqq: hmmmmm then I don't get it
(08:53:56 PM) herlo: I'd like to have reusable boxen
(08:54:02 PM) ke4qqq: link?
(08:54:11 PM) herlo: don't have anything yet, thus R&D
(08:54:27 PM) herlo: as far as the display box, there is some on the
(08:54:31 PM) ke4qqq: soooo guesstimate on cost
(08:54:32 PM) ***herlo looks to find it
(08:54:36 PM) ke4qqq: right - but that's not done yet right?
(08:55:08 PM) herlo: for R&D? <dr evil>$1billion </dr evil>
(08:55:17 PM) herlo: :-P
(08:55:23 PM) ke4qqq: ok - I'll list that
(08:55:30 PM) ***inode0 is back
(08:55:31 PM) DemonJester: lol
(08:55:46 PM) ***QUICKSTART falling out of my seat shaking my head
(08:55:47 PM) herlo: thank you thank you
(08:56:11 PM) ***inode0 suggests $200 out of thin air
(08:56:14 PM) ***QUICKSTART chuckles
(08:56:18 PM) ianweller: herlo: sorry that's an invalid xml tag!
(08:56:22 PM) ianweller: tsk tsk tsk
(08:56:28 PM) ke4qqq: just updated the wiki
(08:56:29 PM) DemonJester: I was thinking that amount as well
(08:56:31 PM) Adora: hahaha
(08:56:32 PM) ke4qqq: with a valid xml tag
(08:56:34 PM) herlo: ianweller: oh, I'll fix that later
(08:56:47 PM) herlo:
(08:56:52 PM) ***DemonJester files a bug with bugzilla ;)
(08:56:52 PM) herlo: for those who are interested
(08:57:02 PM) ***ianweller is done with the distractions... <voice
type="Dr. Evil">for now!</voice>
(08:57:21 PM) ke4qqq: I doubt it
(08:57:34 PM) ianweller: shh.
(08:58:05 PM) ***QUICKSTART finishes ianweller with the never ending
laugh from the movie
(08:58:27 PM) inode0: can I make a suggestion about the budget table?
(08:58:39 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so lets see what lcafiero says on fadna -
but you can have tat money if not :(
(08:58:43 PM) ***ke4qqq really wants fedora tats
(08:58:48 PM) ke4qqq: sure
(08:58:55 PM) inode0: I'll buy the tats if need be
(08:59:13 PM) ***DemonJester suggest ke4qqq goes and gets a real one then :)
(08:59:23 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: I am allergic to pain
(08:59:32 PM) inode0: I'd like the table to have another column, along
with expected costs have an allocated funds column
(08:59:35 PM) ***DemonJester notes they dont hurt that much...
(08:59:38 PM) ke4qqq: and with my luck mizmo will comeup with a new
logo next year
(08:59:52 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: lol
(09:00:07 PM) inode0: break the media into three lines, two with $1800
allocations and one with $0 allocated
(09:00:22 PM) ke4qqq: Adora: suggested that I use this as
justification for tats:
(09:00:32 PM) QUICKSTART: ouch
(09:00:36 PM) inode0: I think this will more clearly show the folks
making our budget what we need, and the choices we are forced to make
(09:00:45 PM) ke4qqq: interesting idea
(09:00:59 PM) ke4qqq: I'll make those changes after the meeting if no
one is offended
(09:01:02 PM) Adora: >_<
(09:01:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: for the R&D, I think $100 would be enough...
(09:01:39 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(09:01:47 PM) Adora: I have no defense, I was at SXSW and things got
out of hand...
(09:01:49 PM) ke4qqq: I could just reduce from 5000 tats to 2.5k
(09:01:51 PM) inode0: we might include a line for some booth display
(persistent infrastructure) as Paul suggested
(09:02:11 PM) ke4qqq: I like the idea of persistent infrastructure
(09:02:14 PM) inode0: obviously getting $0 this quarter
(09:02:18 PM) ke4qqq: but there just isn't money in my opinion
(09:02:20 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:03:12 PM) inode0: it will help reinforce the idea that we need
funds for persistent infrastructure but that they aren't recurring
costs like media
(09:04:34 PM) inode0: let's add case badges too, and find costs if we have them
(09:04:57 PM) inode0: I think for small expenses tats and case badges
are big bang for the buck
(09:05:22 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^^^^
(09:05:24 PM) ke4qqq: agreed
(09:05:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: that's actually a good idea, 2.5k tattoos
should be enough
(09:06:24 PM) ke4qqq: they only last a few weeks
(09:06:25 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:06:31 PM) herlo: :)
(09:06:42 PM) inode0: but they are fun and great advertising
(09:06:47 PM) herlo: agreed
(09:06:59 PM) herlo: we'd need to come up with a cool tat like that
with all the cool designs on the side
(09:07:01 PM) QUICKSTART: how bout sponsering a highway
(09:07:09 PM) QUICKSTART: there are a couple up for grabs right now
(09:07:20 PM) DemonJester: Fedora Tribal!!
(09:07:36 PM) ***ke4qqq is almost afraid to do this
(09:07:42 PM) ke4qqq: but suggests we let mo design a tat for us
(09:07:53 PM) DemonJester: or nicu
(09:07:58 PM) ke4qqq: oohhhh nicu
(09:08:02 PM) inode0: ok, this has been a good discussion
(09:08:07 PM) ke4qqq: anyway
(09:08:10 PM) ke4qqq: thats' OT
(09:08:32 PM) inode0: since we need to get budget to max asap, can we
deal with it more if needed after this meeting in fedora-ambassadors?
(09:08:42 PM) herlo: yes
(09:08:48 PM) DemonJester: sure
(09:09:11 PM) inode0: ok, let's move to task list review now
(09:09:24 PM) inode0: herlo: you have an update on UPS
(09:09:27 PM) inode0: or ke4qqq
(09:09:29 PM) herlo: inode0: nope
(09:09:31 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: does
(09:09:39 PM) ke4qqq: we have an account
(09:09:43 PM) ***inode0 notes it is herlo's task :)
(09:09:45 PM) ke4qqq: but apparenlty no one can use it
(09:09:51 PM) ***ke4qqq took it during herlos job search
(09:09:59 PM) herlo: inode0: I did get it, but ke4qqq set up the account
(09:10:01 PM) ke4qqq: it's billed to spevack's card
(09:10:13 PM) ***herlo should mention he is now employed starting tomorrow
(09:10:20 PM) ke4qqq: I still have to iron out that one wrinkle
(09:10:30 PM) inode0: the good news is we will be able to ship UPS
without paying for it directly out of pocket at some point
(09:10:37 PM) ***ke4qqq can use it but seems no one else can
(09:10:41 PM) inode0: herlo: great news
(09:11:16 PM) herlo: inode0: thanks, but UPS needs to be called so we
can figure out how to get us all on the account
(09:11:22 PM) ke4qqq: yeah
(09:11:28 PM) ke4qqq: and honestly just haven't had the time
(09:11:42 PM) ke4qqq: tried sitting through hold music
(09:11:44 PM) inode0: yes, we need to get that done before media
arrives if possible
(09:11:45 PM) ke4qqq: and gave up once
(09:11:53 PM) ke4qqq: media!!!
(09:11:57 PM) herlo: :)
(09:12:01 PM) DemonJester: where????
(09:12:04 PM) DemonJester: lol
(09:12:07 PM) inode0: media update?
(09:12:13 PM) herlo: well, so I suspect it will be delivered by Friday
(09:12:23 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding
(09:12:24 PM) inode0: excellent
(09:12:26 PM) herlo: and back to QUICKSTART's question
(09:12:30 PM) herlo: it's free
(09:12:30 PM) DemonJester: +10
(09:12:38 PM) ke4qqq: if we move forward with this budget tomorrow AM
when will you order?
(09:12:45 PM) herlo: you just have to promise to give some away too
(09:12:47 PM) f13: oh yeah, there's going to be some amount of media
hitting my house right?
(09:12:54 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I can order immediately
(09:12:57 PM) f13: since you know, I made the darn thing
(09:13:02 PM) ke4qqq: f13: we looked into a tshirt cannon
(09:13:05 PM) herlo: f13: hehe sure
(09:13:10 PM) ke4qqq: but perhaps a media cannon is more apropos
(09:13:16 PM) f13: ke4qqq: lol, ouch
(09:13:22 PM) inode0: put the cannon on the budget
(09:13:24 PM) QUICKSTART: ok so is it a limit to how many cds we can order
(09:13:35 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: yes and no
(09:13:42 PM) inode0: details about this can wait for open floor please
(09:13:52 PM) herlo: right
(09:13:52 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: talk to your regional ambassador he
has discretion in how much to send or not send
(09:13:56 PM) ***inode0 tries to get through business
(09:13:58 PM) QUICKSTART: k
(09:14:07 PM) inode0: last task is mine
(09:14:19 PM) herlo: I'll talk with the guys tomorrow and get the
orders started for the DVDs
(09:14:27 PM) inode0: fixing backlog of meeting minutes - 1/20th complete :(
(09:14:35 PM) herlo: I suspect we could have that by FUDCon, but no promises
(09:14:41 PM) ke4qqq: that'd be cool
(09:14:44 PM) ke4qqq: except for shipping
(09:14:46 PM) ke4qqq: or flying
(09:14:54 PM) ke4qqq: would they ship to RH Boston?
(09:14:57 PM) herlo: no
(09:14:59 PM) herlo: my house
(09:15:01 PM) ***inode0 sets goal of year end to be caught up
(09:15:06 PM) ke4qqq: bah a pox on them :)
(09:15:07 PM) herlo: but, they're local and I can bring them/ship them
(09:15:34 PM) inode0: that is it for tasks
(09:15:38 PM) ke4qqq: cool
(09:15:38 PM) inode0: Open Floor
(09:15:58 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: where are you based out of?
(09:16:11 PM) inode0: sorry for cutting you off QUICKSTART, let fly
with all your questions/comments/suggestions now :)
(09:16:13 PM) f13: Anybody around the pacific NW and want to help me
out with Linux Fest Northwest?
(09:16:25 PM) herlo: f13: lcafiero
(09:16:30 PM) herlo: but I don't know if he's available
(09:16:33 PM) inode0: f13: do you want FADNA there? :)
(09:16:39 PM) ke4qqq: f13: will your budget include money for a flight
from SC to LFNW? :)
(09:16:41 PM) f13: what's FADNA ?
(09:16:50 PM) ke4qqq: FAD in NA
(09:16:51 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(09:16:51 PM) herlo: Fedora Ambassador Day North America
(09:16:59 PM) f13: ke4qqq: thus far I don't know what (if any) budget there is
(09:16:59 PM) ***inode0 sees there is a communication failure
(09:17:07 PM) herlo: apparently our marketing skills need to improve :)
(09:17:29 PM) f13: LFNW is in April, and I've been going for many years
(09:17:31 PM) QUICKSTART: lol ok
(09:17:43 PM) f13: usually I just do a talk or 2 about Fedora/RH/Open
Source, but this year I'd like to have a Fedora booth
(09:17:55 PM) f13: a couple of my friends in the area have offered to
do some booth time to hand out stuff
(09:17:55 PM) QUICKSTART: I was think is it possible to set up contest
to get more people to get into the who fedora game
(09:18:00 PM) herlo: f13: I would love to go, but I can't be sure I'll
have the availability by then
(09:18:02 PM) f13: and I think I've convinced Paul Frields into coming
(09:18:14 PM) ke4qqq: you still want to own the event, f13 - we'll
make sure that funds are there.
(09:18:20 PM) f13: I've never "ran" an event before
(09:18:25 PM) f13: so I'll need lots of hand holding
(09:18:34 PM) herlo: f13: we can help with that
(09:18:36 PM) f13: k
(09:18:44 PM) ***herlo is an experienced conference owner
(09:18:47 PM) ke4qqq: in return for a few package reviews
(09:18:48 PM) ke4qqq: :)
(09:18:53 PM) f13: then yeah, for lack of anybody else, I'll own the event.
(09:18:56 PM) ***herlo runs UTOSC.com
(09:19:08 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: haha
(09:19:37 PM) inode0: Adora: thanks for coming tonight, great meeting
you and I hope to see a lot more of you now
(09:20:10 PM) Adora: I hope to be around!
(09:20:24 PM) Adora: I'm sure ke4qqq will help with that with frequent
and swift kicks in the rear
(09:20:40 PM) QUICKSTART: well it was a good meeting lol time to call
it quits all the questions are done with for now lol
(09:20:51 PM) QUICKSTART: me/ raises pinky to mouth and laughs
(09:20:56 PM) herlo: Adora: I'll be there to kick you as well. I'm
happy to be your regional ambassador
(09:21:05 PM) QUICKSTART: whoops /me raises pinky to mouth and laughs
(09:21:12 PM) ***QUICKSTART raises pinky to mouth and laughs
(09:21:24 PM) ***inode0 applauds seeing learning in action
(09:21:33 PM) DemonJester: lol
(09:21:59 PM) ***ianweller scratches his head and pushes everyone out the door
(09:22:50 PM) inode0: QUICKSTART: let's talk about your idea in
fedora-ambassador sometime for expanding Fedora's base
(09:22:52 PM) ***QUICKSTART laughs
(09:23:00 PM) QUICKSTART: will do inode
(09:23:10 PM) QUICKSTART: have a bunch of ideas
(09:23:34 PM) inode0: if can translate them into tasks we'll be all set :)
(09:23:37 PM) inode0: if we
(09:24:07 PM) inode0: any other open floor business before we adjourn
back to our home channel?
(09:24:25 PM) inode0: oh, I had two thing!
(09:24:27 PM) inode0: +s
(09:24:33 PM) ke4qqq: yes?
(09:24:37 PM) inode0: Rounding up more Fedora project people to speak
with us (FESCo maybe?)
(09:24:50 PM) inode0: we have dropped the ball on guest speakers
(09:24:57 PM) ke4qqq: +1
(09:25:02 PM) herlo: infra?
(09:25:07 PM) herlo: is that who you mean?
(09:25:15 PM) inode0: want to ping mcgrath or someone?
(09:25:37 PM) inode0: yes, that is exactly what I meant
(09:25:45 PM) herlo: what about l10n?
(09:25:54 PM) inode0: any other fedora groups
(09:26:15 PM) inode0: warren might be a good guest
(09:26:22 PM) herlo: did we do packagers?
(09:26:28 PM) inode0: nope
(09:26:47 PM) inode0: art/bugzappers/docs
(09:27:13 PM) ke4qqq: l10n is a bad idea imo
(09:27:16 PM) ke4qqq: we all speak english
(09:27:19 PM) ke4qqq: I think
(09:27:58 PM) inode0: but with the issues raised by warren at the town
halls I think we all need to be more aware of non-English speaking
(09:28:15 PM) inode0: and mmcgrath's recent numbers suggest we are dwindling
(09:28:26 PM) QUICKSTART: if you need a translator I can be one for
(09:29:02 PM) ke4qqq: ahhh interesting
(09:29:10 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps we also need to get infra in here
(09:29:24 PM) inode0: I think infra would be a great next one
(09:30:01 PM) inode0: but we can schedule these far in advance too, so
let's just try to start getting some lined up for the future
(09:30:19 PM) inode0: Mentoring meeting with EMEA?
(09:30:36 PM) inode0: We poked EMEA about having an IRC meeting with
us as well, another dropped ball.
(09:31:03 PM) inode0: Shall I pick that back up?
(09:31:48 PM) inode0: We could talk to EMEA ambassadors about
whatever, but how they mentor new contributors is one topic I thought
would be useful.
(09:32:45 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh indeed
(09:33:11 PM) herlo: I think we shoot for after FUDCon
(09:33:19 PM) ke4qqq: agreed
(09:33:22 PM) inode0: ok, I'll get that moving again ... sure
(09:33:23 PM) ke4qqq: fudcon isn't far off
(09:33:35 PM) herlo: yep
(09:33:38 PM) ke4qqq: 4 weeks? or less
(09:33:39 PM) ***herlo is excited for fudcon
(09:33:45 PM) herlo: less, Jan 9-11
(09:33:47 PM) inode0: alright, it is last call
(09:34:02 PM) inode0: anyone need me to call them a taxi?
(09:34:35 PM) ***herlo always needs a taxi
(09:34:57 PM) ***QUICKSTART walks up to the teleporter waves and beams out
(09:35:04 PM) ***DemonJester will just sleep on the floor :)
(09:35:05 PM) inode0: congratulations to DemonJester's Buffalo Bulls
for doing the unthinkable this year
(09:35:12 PM) ***QUICKSTART teleporter doesn't work calls Scottie
(09:35:12 PM) inode0: 5
(09:35:16 PM) inode0: 4
(09:35:20 PM) inode0: 3
(09:35:23 PM) inode0: 2
(09:35:26 PM) inode0: 1
(09:35:30 PM) inode0: thanks everyone
(09:35:32 PM) inode0: EOF
- Fedora election reminder - voting closes on the 20th.
- We need an owner for the Linux Symposium in Montreal next July.
- Larry Cafiero sent mail to f-a-l indicating willingness to take
ownership of hosting FADNA at SCaLE in February.
- Discussion about several possible alternate sites and timing.
- Agreed to let Larry run with this, need to discuss it in more
detail during the coming week and sign off officially at next
week's meeting if all goes well.
- Not likely to be very much in our Q4 budget for this so we need
to try to proceed prudently.
* Q4 Budget [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget]
- Work is ongoing to firm up Q4 budget items.
- Will try to organize the budget to be as helpful to Max as possible
for his future planning and understanding of our needs.
- The budget link above contains a work in progress currently and should
be finished up in a day or two.
* Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks]
- Ambassadors UPS account: has been arranged and should be functional for
- Task to cleanup wiki meeting minutes for the past couple of months -
partially complete, goal to finish by end of the year.
- F10 Media should be available within one week for delivery.
* Open Floor
- Rounding up more Fedora project people to speak with us was brought back
to our radar screens. Everyone is encouraged to make arrangements with
those in areas of the project we would like to learn more about to recruit
speakers and schedule them at their convenience to join us for a meeting.
- Mentoring meeting with EMEA? This was discussed and we will try to make
it happen sometime after FUDconF11.
I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new
ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight.
I have a final exam in my BASH scripting class tonight, and I may not be
able to get on to IRC until after 7 (if then).
I wanted to mention that I am still in the process of finding out if we will
have space available at the Westin for FADNA (and if not, maybe at a nearby
hotel), and I am also still awaiting a return e-mail from SCaLE organizers
about this and several other things.
For reasons of proximity (primarily), I'd like to urge that we hold FADNA in
Los Angeles in February. Despite the fact that it's cutting it a bit close,
time wise, I will be glad to take the lead in organizing this project if
that is the will of the group to hold it there.
I'll be checking the meeting logs and mailing list later.
I know there are other Fedora 10 Release Parties to come, by the way,
I wanted to create a page to start collecting all the
thoughts/suggestions/critiques on this amazing experience to help next
FAmSCo better addressing its activity.
I invite events' owners', attendees and whoever want to add their
Feel free to add everything, whenever you want and in the way you best prefer.