On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 21:13 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Not for the production, but people tend to copy Fedora for their friends (I do hope) so it is not good for them and therefore it is not good for spreading Fedora out! We are reducing our "market" if we make a distribution which is hard to copy "on the spot". ->Most of the people do not have dual layer discs at home!
Again, this is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about media for events. If people want to download and burn something for their friends, they are free to decide what to download and to burn. They wont just download a big image 'by accident' if they don't want it.
Again,
Someone gets the dual layer disc from the event and then wants to burn a copy to his/her friend. ..and then maybe cannot do that because it is dual layered.
In the matter of fact I think we should NOT say things that "something is not what we are talking about here". We are talking about Fedora distribution media and it affects _everywhere_! We cannot separate our issues in different boxes in whatever we are planning. In every project you just have to take into account how it may affect in some other place. In this case this hugely changes the procedure when copying and re-distributing media forward.
They are some about twice as much unreliable than normal single
layered
discs due the double capacity! Easy! Also they get affected much
easily
by the "bad" reader. (ie. disc drive when burning was horizontally installed and reproducing drive is in vertical position).
You have any prove for your claim?
I have had many cases where _normal_ cd's and dvd's are not working if the reading drive is mounted vertically but media is burned with horizontally installed dive. Therefore I think dual layered discs must be even more risky.
If people do not know what will work they are in trouble anyway. How would they know if they are to download 32 or 64 bits?
They use 32bit version in 64bit computer. Sadly.
I think the advantages outweigh the potential drawback by far. Summing it up:
For the live media: * We don't have care about 32 or 64 bit any longer * We don't have to care for desktops any longer * = It will make evens much easier.
That is true!
For the install media: * Install media will not work ATM due to limitations of anaconda. * By keeping 32 and 64 bits on separate single layer DVD, we
still
provide something for non-dual layer capable devices.
Again I agree.
The only drawback I see: We are not offering CDs any longer, only DVD media. I don't consider this a blocker though.
And sadly this is a huge disadvantage when trying to spread Fedora out in developing countries! In example Africa where computers are "what they are" and many of the computers only have a CD drive.
By saying that, I at least think we really need to change the hardware requirements text from the back cover to something like this.
"Minimum Requirements: 800MHz Pentium III or better with 512 MB RAM and a DVD drive"
Cheers, -- Jukka