Hello Ambassador folks
I've been invited to participate at a little event in my Hometown State University [1] this October , the main focus of the event would be free software and I'm supposed to speak about the Fedora project. along other participants including Richard Stallman !!!!. Personally I feel very honored to share the same forum with Mr Stallman and when people ask me I always answer that it is just as if you're learning to play piano and someone asks you to perform along Mozart.
Anyway, I'm working on my presentation and looking through the ambassador's resources I found Rahul's very illustrative and filled with a lot of helpful information [2], although it does not contain the most recent one. Can anyone help me find the updated numbers? Other useful information will be appreciated also.
My second point its a little more complicated since it implies philosophical issues. Mr Stallman explains in his publications that it is not exact to use the word "linux" to refer to an OS or a particular distro since Linux is only the kernel and the rest of the OS is somehow derived from its original work (bash, editor, compilers, etc). [3] Question: Do we at Fedora share and honor this principle? Shall we refer to our and other distros as GNU/Linux as he suggests?
Other thing that confuses me is that Stallman states that open source is a motto of a movement that was formed as a reaction against the free software movement.[4] He even says that he refuses to participates in "open source" or "linux" events but he's willing to participate in events denominated "Free Software and Open Source? " or so as long as his speech is not the main focus of the event.
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
It is not my intention to start an even bigger internal debate within our strong and happy community but it is to get some help in getting me clarify these question.
Regards
Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador Chihuahua, Mexico
PS The official name and dates of the event are not yet defined so this is why I have not posted it in the events wiki, I hope I'll receive confirmation within a few days
[1] http://www.uach.mx [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Presentations_Fedora_overview.pdf [3] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [4] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
2008/7/23 Alejandro Acosta aacosta@fedoraproject.org:
Hello Ambassador folks
I've been invited to participate at a little event in my Hometown State University [1] this October , the main focus of the event would be free software and I'm supposed to speak about the Fedora project. along other participants including Richard Stallman !!!!. Personally I feel very honored to share the same forum with Mr Stallman and when people ask me I always answer that it is just as if you're learning to play piano and someone asks you to perform along Mozart.
Anyway, I'm working on my presentation and looking through the ambassador's resources I found Rahul's very illustrative and filled with a lot of helpful information [2], although it does not contain the most recent one. Can anyone help me find the updated numbers? Other useful information will be appreciated also.
My second point its a little more complicated since it implies philosophical issues. Mr Stallman explains in his publications that it is not exact to use the word "linux" to refer to an OS or a particular distro since Linux is only the kernel and the rest of the OS is somehow derived from its original work (bash, editor, compilers, etc). [3] Question: Do we at Fedora share and honor this principle? Shall we refer to our and other distros as GNU/Linux as he suggests?
Other thing that confuses me is that Stallman states that open source is a motto of a movement that was formed as a reaction against the free software movement.[4] He even says that he refuses to participates in "open source" or "linux" events but he's willing to participate in events denominated "Free Software and Open Source? " or so as long as his speech is not the main focus of the event.
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
It is not my intention to start an even bigger internal debate within our strong and happy community but it is to get some help in getting me clarify these question.
Regards
Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador Chihuahua, Mexico
PS The official name and dates of the event are not yet defined so this is why I have not posted it in the events wiki, I hope I'll receive confirmation within a few days
[1] http://www.uach.mx [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Presentations_Fedora_overview.pdf [3] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [4] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
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Congrats on your speech!
Regarding the Linux vs GNU/Linux debate, I recently wrote an article on Fedora Mexico[1] about that titled "My name is Linux. GNU/Linux". [2] (Links are in Spanish)
Personally, I like to call it GNU/Linux because it tells people the philosophy behind our project, but I don't know Fedora's official policy towards the name.
[1] http://proyectofedora.org/mexico/ [2] http://proyectofedora.org/mexico/2008/07/17/mi-nombre-es-linux-gnulinux/
Kind Regards
Last Weekend I gave a conference about some apps (gimp, inkscape and blender) and Mr Stallman was there too (It seems that he is travelling all arround Latin America this days) and be prepared because he only recomends 3 distros.. I was talking to him and ask a little question about wich distro was more near to be aproved by te gpl v3.... he didn't answered.
If you can prepare some material about this gpl.v3 and some other legal stuff... you could make some difference :D
Good luck!!!
2008/7/24 Juan M. Rodriguez nushio@gmail.com:
2008/7/23 Alejandro Acosta aacosta@fedoraproject.org:
Hello Ambassador folks
I've been invited to participate at a little event in my Hometown State University [1] this October , the main focus of the event would be free software and I'm supposed to speak about the Fedora project. along other participants including Richard Stallman !!!!. Personally I feel very honored to share the same forum with Mr Stallman and when people ask me I always answer that it is just as if you're learning to play piano and someone asks you to perform along Mozart.
Anyway, I'm working on my presentation and looking through the ambassador's resources I found Rahul's very illustrative and filled with a lot of helpful information [2], although it does not contain the most recent one. Can anyone help me find the updated numbers? Other useful information will be appreciated also.
My second point its a little more complicated since it implies philosophical issues. Mr Stallman explains in his publications that it is not exact to use the word "linux" to refer to an OS or a particular distro since Linux is only the kernel and the rest of the OS is somehow derived from its original work (bash, editor, compilers, etc). [3] Question: Do we at Fedora share and honor this principle? Shall we refer to our and other distros as GNU/Linux as he suggests?
Other thing that confuses me is that Stallman states that open source is a motto of a movement that was formed as a reaction against the free software movement.[4] He even says that he refuses to participates in "open source" or "linux" events but he's willing to participate in events denominated "Free Software and Open Source? " or so as long as his speech is not the main focus of the event.
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
It is not my intention to start an even bigger internal debate within our strong and happy community but it is to get some help in getting me clarify these question.
Regards
Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador Chihuahua, Mexico
PS The official name and dates of the event are not yet defined so this is why I have not posted it in the events wiki, I hope I'll receive confirmation within a few days
[1] http://www.uach.mx [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Presentations_Fedora_overview.pdf [3] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [4] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
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Congrats on your speech!
Regarding the Linux vs GNU/Linux debate, I recently wrote an article on Fedora Mexico[1] about that titled "My name is Linux. GNU/Linux". [2] (Links are in Spanish)
Personally, I like to call it GNU/Linux because it tells people the philosophy behind our project, but I don't know Fedora's official policy towards the name.
[1] http://proyectofedora.org/mexico/ [2] http://proyectofedora.org/mexico/2008/07/17/mi-nombre-es-linux-gnulinux/
Kind Regards
Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: http://proyectofedora.org/mexico
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Alejandro Acosta wrote:
Anyway, I'm working on my presentation and looking through the ambassador's resources I found Rahul's very illustrative and filled with a lot of helpful information [2], although it does not contain the most recent one. Can anyone help me find the updated numbers? Other useful information will be appreciated also.
I will post an update.
My second point its a little more complicated since it implies philosophical issues. Mr Stallman explains in his publications that it is not exact to use the word "linux" to refer to an OS or a particular distro since Linux is only the kernel and the rest of the OS is somehow derived from its original work (bash, editor, compilers, etc). [3] Question: Do we at Fedora share and honor this principle? Shall we refer to our and other distros as GNU/Linux as he suggests?
Feel free to use it. We officially call it just Fedora and we explain it as a Linux based operating system as you can see in http://fedoraproject.org
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
In the main documents and webpages, we have traditionally preferred to use free and open source or FOSS as a term to encompass both movements.
Rahul
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Alejandro Acosta wrote:
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
In the main documents and webpages, we have traditionally preferred to use free and open source or FOSS as a term to encompass both movements.
Understandable and seems fairly common among large distributions. This term has always grated on me in the way saying squares and rectangles would. If you are talking about squares say squares, if you are talking about squares and rectangles just say rectangles. (No offense to those who see a much bigger difference here. I see a bigger difference too.)
Out of curiosity, are there any components of Fedora that are Open Source but not Free Software?
John
inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Alejandro Acosta wrote:
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
In the main documents and webpages, we have traditionally preferred to use free and open source or FOSS as a term to encompass both movements.
Understandable and seems fairly common among large distributions. This term has always grated on me in the way saying squares and rectangles would. If you are talking about squares say squares, if you are talking about squares and rectangles just say rectangles. (No offense to those who see a much bigger difference here. I see a bigger difference too.)
FYI, RMS/FSF considers FOSS a acceptable term. In practice, it makes no difference in Fedora.
Out of curiosity, are there any components of Fedora that are Open Source but not Free Software?
In terms of licenses, there are very few differences. Fedora has inherited a number of Perl components that are under Artistic License 1 which FSF considers potentially non-free as per
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
Tom Callaway talked with OSI and they have deprecated the license too as stated in
http://opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license-1.0.php
While Fedora has for a while not accepted new software under this license, there has been a long term effort to get existing components relicensed which has been successful to a large extend. That effort is coming to a close in Fedora 10
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Artistic1Removal
After this effort is complete, there would be zero disparities.
Rahul
2008/7/23 Alejandro Acosta aacosta@fedoraproject.org:
Hello Ambassador folks
I've been invited to participate at a little event in my Hometown State University [1] this October , the main focus of the event would be free software and I'm supposed to speak about the Fedora project. along other participants including Richard Stallman !!!!. Personally I feel very honored to share the same forum with Mr Stallman and when people ask me I always answer that it is just as if you're learning to play piano and someone asks you to perform along Mozart.
Anyway, I'm working on my presentation and looking through the ambassador's resources I found Rahul's very illustrative and filled with a lot of helpful information [2], although it does not contain the most recent one. Can anyone help me find the updated numbers? Other useful information will be appreciated also.
My second point its a little more complicated since it implies philosophical issues. Mr Stallman explains in his publications that it is not exact to use the word "linux" to refer to an OS or a particular distro since Linux is only the kernel and the rest of the OS is somehow derived from its original work (bash, editor, compilers, etc). [3] Question: Do we at Fedora share and honor this principle? Shall we refer to our and other distros as GNU/Linux as he suggests?
Other thing that confuses me is that Stallman states that open source is a motto of a movement that was formed as a reaction against the free software movement.[4] He even says that he refuses to participates in "open source" or "linux" events but he's willing to participate in events denominated "Free Software and Open Source? " or so as long as his speech is not the main focus of the event.
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
It is not my intention to start an even bigger internal debate within our strong and happy community but it is to get some help in getting me clarify these question.
Regards
Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador Chihuahua, Mexico
PS The official name and dates of the event are not yet defined so this is why I have not posted it in the events wiki, I hope I'll receive confirmation within a few days
[1] http://www.uach.mx [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Presentations_Fedora_overview.pdf [3] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [4] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
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1. First of all this is a great news, both from a community perspective and from a OS experience.
I want to congratulate with you and inviting you to ask if you need help and support (like you have just done).
2. I think you haven't to take care of the definition issue, but focus on Fedora vision of Open Source (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints).
Some time giving a "tag" could be a way to take the distance from a part of the community: Fedora, in that way, is a open view community.
+1 for all the other comments about this issue
3. Rahul give a detailed and precise answer about this topic.
Best regards
Francesco Ugolini
2008/7/23 Alejandro Acosta aacosta@fedoraproject.org:
Hello Ambassador folks
I've been invited to participate at a little event in my Hometown State University [1] this October , the main focus of the event would be free software and I'm supposed to speak about the Fedora project. along other participants including Richard Stallman !!!!. Personally I feel very honored to share the same forum with Mr Stallman and when people ask me I always answer that it is just as if you're learning to play piano and someone asks you to perform along Mozart.
Anyway, I'm working on my presentation and looking through the ambassador's resources I found Rahul's very illustrative and filled with a lot of helpful information [2], although it does not contain the most recent one. Can anyone help me find the updated numbers? Other useful information will be appreciated also.
My second point its a little more complicated since it implies philosophical issues. Mr Stallman explains in his publications that it is not exact to use the word "linux" to refer to an OS or a particular distro since Linux is only the kernel and the rest of the OS is somehow derived from its original work (bash, editor, compilers, etc). [3] Question: Do we at Fedora share and honor this principle? Shall we refer to our and other distros as GNU/Linux as he suggests?
Other thing that confuses me is that Stallman states that open source is a motto of a movement that was formed as a reaction against the free software movement.[4] He even says that he refuses to participates in "open source" or "linux" events but he's willing to participate in events denominated "Free Software and Open Source? " or so as long as his speech is not the main focus of the event.
I saw the words "open source" a lot along many Fedora presentations, but my doubts still remain. Do we have any policy regarding Open Source and/or Free Software? It is going to be hard to me to debate about freedom against RMS so I would prefer only to talk about our project, but stating clearly what we stand for.
It is not my intention to start an even bigger internal debate within our strong and happy community but it is to get some help in getting me clarify these question.
Regards
Alejandro Acosta Fedora Ambassador Chihuahua, Mexico
PS The official name and dates of the event are not yet defined so this is why I have not posted it in the events wiki, I hope I'll receive confirmation within a few days
[1] http://www.uach.mx [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Presentations_Fedora_overview.pdf [3] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [4] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
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1. First of all this is a great news, both from a community perspective and from a OS experience.
I want to congratulate with you and inviting you to ask if you need help and support (like you have just done).
2. I think you haven't to take care of the definition issue, but focus on Fedora vision of Open Source (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints).
Some time giving a "tag" could be a way to take the distance from a part of the community: Fedora, in that way, is a open view community.
+1 for all the other comments about this issue
3. Rahul give a detailed and precise answer about this topic.
Best regards
Francesco Ugolini
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