thinking about 2009

[Max Spevack]

Hello Ambassadors,

With the FAmSCo election coming up in a few weeks, I think it is worth 
having a discussion about what FAmSCo's mission should be for the coming 
year, the ways FAmSCo is useful, and the places that it needs to 
improve.

Please share your thoughts on any of the following topics.

(1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we are trying 
to create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each 
part of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors 
in that region get the resources that they need?

(2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and 
getting things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for 
event organization?

(3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on?

(4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?

Thanks,
Max

[Heherson Pagcaliwagan]

>  (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we
> are trying to
>  create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each part
>  of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors in that
>  region get the resources that they need? 
+1. Why?
a) it's going to provide direction
b) local people are better equip to respond to situations
c) resources would be cheaper to mobilize
d) it's going to spread the burden of managing our ~600 ambassadors worldwide

>  (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and getting
>  things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for event
>  organization? 
I believe that regional IRC meetings are still useful. FAmSCo is still
relevant on this model, because it will legitimize the whole thing.
Regional steering committees would be accountable to FAmSCO.

>  (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on?
>  
Organization of ambassadors around the world. As Francesco put it,
"making your ambassador experience great" or something to that effect.
Making sure resources get to the ground, providing linkages to other
organizations who can help ambassadors out and most importantly,
providing direction.

>  (4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?
>  
By providing direction and insights on practices across other organizations.

Heherson Pagcaliwagan
http://project.azneita.org

[susmit shannigrahi]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hello Ambassadors,
>
>  With the FAmSCo election coming up in a few weeks, I think it is worth
>  having a discussion about what FAmSCo's mission should be for the coming
>  year, the ways FAmSCo is useful, and the places that it needs to improve.
>
>  Please share your thoughts on any of the following topics.
>
>  (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we are trying to
>  create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each part
>  of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors in that
>  region get the resources that they need? 
+1
That decreases the turn around time significantly.


>  (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and
> getting
>  things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for event
>  organization? 
1st question, no opinion.
And for the second, there should be someone monitoring the whole
situation. FAmSCo is fine and doing good.

>  (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on? 
Accountability and availability of Ambassadors.
A much debated topic, but I feel that is important.
That is, to make sure people does not subscribe as Ambassadors and sit back.
(I won't participate in _any_ debate, but this is my personal view.)

>  (4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?
Here in India, (may be also in APAC and other regions too) I think we
could do better if we can specifically target the student audience.
They (well, most of them) are often _misguided_ and _discouraged_ to
participate. Also they are generally cluless about where to start
from. But they are willing to do something that they can show others.

If we can provide them with some problems/works to start with, we can
tap a lot of talents.
Everyone we reach out to won't be contributors, still we can get a lot
of new people into our project.

Thanks.
-- 
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Susmit.

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[Joerg Simon]

Hi Max,

Am Montag, 10. November 2008 13:44:59 schrieb Max Spevack:
>  (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we
> are trying
>  to create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each
>  part of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors
>  in that region get the resources that they need? 
Regional Accountability yes!
Regional Leadership? I do not really know!
Is it not a part of accountability to have also regional leadership?
I am not a supporter of hierarchy and bureaucracy but i love to see that leadership comes
by the people who work hard. I think we can avoid a lot of power-splitting if we have
Ambassadors who keep an eye of our common goal - Maybe we should call them
"FAmSCo-Liason"? 

>  (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and
>  getting things done?   
yes - it works!

>  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for 
>  event organization? 
FAmSCo is not needed for organizing - therefore we are a self-propelled community and if
help is needed there should be mentors for that!
FAmSCo is legislative and a instrument to give us the tools and the structure, do the
boring part of work and should be a Hub where active Ambassadors should have a clue of the
big picture. 

>  (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on? 
    * Establish real mentoring within regional requirements
    * Establish measurability for our Work
    * Establish liasons to other subprojects
    * Invent new ways to encourage people to contribute to the Fedora Project 
    * Improve the MembershipProcess to make it easier and faster to contribute and work
together with higher quality


CU Jorg


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[David Nalley]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hello Ambassadors,
>
>  With the FAmSCo election coming up in a few weeks, I think it is worth
>  having a discussion about what FAmSCo's mission should be for the coming
>  year, the ways FAmSCo is useful, and the places that it needs to improve.
>
>  Please share your thoughts on any of the following topics.
>
>  (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we are trying to
>  create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each part
>  of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors in that
>  region get the resources that they need? 
I personally like the regional accountability, though honestly I'd say
in some regions it is still too early to tell. However EMEA and LATAM
appear to have this model well deployed and at the very least it
appears to work well there.

>  (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and getting
>  things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for event
>  organization? 
Two really diverse questions:
1. Regional meetings are useful - the one concern that arises with
regional meetings is the regions reinventing the wheel unnecessarily.
For instance, NA successfully duplicated EMEAs polo shirt design. My
fear about regional only, is that such things don't get committed.
That is one of the reasons I also tend to resist the move to regional
mailing lists.

2. FAmSCo isn't needed for event organization. To my knowledge FAmSCo
hasn't ever really provided this service that I can remember, except
for perhaps in the very early beginning.



>  (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on? 
FAmSCo should focus on the following in my opinion:

1. Developing and ensuring continuity of regional leadership.
2. Providing direction - setting guidelines for global Ambassador
behavior [1] that isn't culturally intrusive
3. Coordinating cross-regional efforts, and facilitating communication
between regional leadership.
4. Handling the 'big picture' perspective and setting the global goals
as they change over time for what Ambassadors and FAmSCo itself should
be doing.

I think that some of this means a structural change in FAmSCo. I think
that some seats on FAmSCo should be tied to regions. ie, have  NA,
EMEA, APAC, and LATAM FAmSCo seats, with the balance being at-large
seats.



[1] I have been pretty disappointed by some of the traffic occurring
on the Ambassador list. in the past 6 months. There appear to be more
and more Ambassadors who don't understand or don't support Fedora's
foundational principles, particularly Freedom. What causes me concern
isn't necessarily that those people have such opinions, but that they
are Ambassadors - they are supposed to represent Fedora to the world
and either they don't have a clear understanding or they disagree with
it.


>  (4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?
>
>  Thanks,
>  Max
>
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["G"]

Hi

In addition to that, i also feel we should also have one system to
centrailize everything. Everything in the sense, right from tracking
contributions made by contributors to tracking ambassador
contributions, cd requests etc. something very similar to launchpad
but of course launchpad does not track cd requests but i guess it
would be good if something like that is there which would motivate and
encourage new contributors.

Just my thoughts !

Cheers,
Balaji

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM, David Nalley <david(a)gnsa.us&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Max Spevack
> <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> > Hello Ambassadors,
> >
> > With the FAmSCo election coming up in a few weeks, I think it is worth
> > having a discussion about what FAmSCo's mission should be for the coming
> > year, the ways FAmSCo is useful, and the places that it needs to improve.
> >
> > Please share your thoughts on any of the following topics.
> >
> > (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we are trying to
> > create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each part
> > of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors in that
> > region get the resources that they need?
>
>  I personally like the regional accountability, though honestly I'd say
>  in some regions it is still too early to tell. However EMEA and LATAM
>  appear to have this model well deployed and at the very least it
>  appears to work well there.
>
> >
> > (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and getting
> > things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for event
> > organization?
>
>  Two really diverse questions:
>  1. Regional meetings are useful - the one concern that arises with
>  regional meetings is the regions reinventing the wheel unnecessarily.
>  For instance, NA successfully duplicated EMEAs polo shirt design. My
>  fear about regional only, is that such things don't get committed.
>  That is one of the reasons I also tend to resist the move to regional
>  mailing lists.
>
>  2. FAmSCo isn't needed for event organization. To my knowledge FAmSCo
>  hasn't ever really provided this service that I can remember, except
>  for perhaps in the very early beginning.
>
>
>
> >
> > (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on?
>
>  FAmSCo should focus on the following in my opinion:
>
>  1. Developing and ensuring continuity of regional leadership.
>  2. Providing direction - setting guidelines for global Ambassador
>  behavior [1] that isn't culturally intrusive
>  3. Coordinating cross-regional efforts, and facilitating communication
>  between regional leadership.
>  4. Handling the 'big picture' perspective and setting the global goals
>  as they change over time for what Ambassadors and FAmSCo itself should
>  be doing.
>
>  I think that some of this means a structural change in FAmSCo. I think
>  that some seats on FAmSCo should be tied to regions. ie, have  NA,
>  EMEA, APAC, and LATAM FAmSCo seats, with the balance being at-large
>  seats.
>
>
>
>  [1] I have been pretty disappointed by some of the traffic occurring
>  on the Ambassador list. in the past 6 months. There appear to be more
>  and more Ambassadors who don't understand or don't support Fedora's
>  foundational principles, particularly Freedom. What causes me concern
>  isn't necessarily that those people have such opinions, but that they
>  are Ambassadors - they are supposed to represent Fedora to the world
>  and either they don't have a clear understanding or they disagree with
>  it.
>
>
> >
> > (4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Max
> >
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RES: thinking about 2009

[Rodrigo Menezes]

The Ambassador point of view this is not the perfect tool. We are working to
provide the same tools we got in the Project to a local site, with local
language. We have a lot Ambassadors that doesn't speak English very well,
for they we can afford a local structure, and helpers who can translate
e-mails, teach guidelines and etc.


About Max's e-mail:

(1) This is very important because for us just some users listen to
Ambassadors list, get meetings and etc. A centralized point who distribute
budget, information and help to get content is a very positive position.

(2) For us this is not happening. In our region, IRC is not very popular and
people like to work with e-mails and mailing lists. At least is working
really good.

(3) Creating guidelines for Ambassadors, swag, presentations materials,
event materials... FAmSCo should focus on create a support material for
Ambassadors to show Fedora to the main public.

(4) We need more information about FAmSCo actions, decisions and stuff. I
know that almost everything is showed in Fedora News, wiki and other places,
but as I sad before, our Ambassadors need to bring this to our local group,
in our local language to have all team knowing all actions. 

Att,

Rodrigo de Oliveira Menezes
Fedora Ambassador
Embaixador do Projeto Fedora
http://www.projetofedora.org/wiki/RodrigoMenezes
http://rmenezes.com


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Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] thinking about 2009

Hi

In addition to that, i also feel we should also have one system to
centrailize everything. Everything in the sense, right from tracking
contributions made by contributors to tracking ambassador
contributions, cd requests etc. something very similar to launchpad
but of course launchpad does not track cd requests but i guess it
would be good if something like that is there which would motivate and
encourage new contributors.

Just my thoughts !

Cheers,
Balaji

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM, David Nalley <david(a)gnsa.us&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Max Spevack
> <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> > Hello Ambassadors,
> >
> > With the FAmSCo election coming up in a few weeks, I think it is worth
> > having a discussion about what FAmSCo's mission should be for the coming
> > year, the ways FAmSCo is useful, and the places that it needs to improve.
> >
> > Please share your thoughts on any of the following topics.
> >
> > (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we are trying to
> > create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each 
part
> > of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors
> in that
> > region get the resources that they need?
>
>  I personally like the regional accountability, though honestly I'd say
>  in some regions it is still too early to tell. However EMEA and LATAM
>  appear to have this model well deployed and at the very least it
>  appears to work well there.
>
> >
> > (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and 
getting
> > things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for
> event
> > organization?
>
>  Two really diverse questions:
>  1. Regional meetings are useful - the one concern that arises with
>  regional meetings is the regions reinventing the wheel unnecessarily.
>  For instance, NA successfully duplicated EMEAs polo shirt design. My
>  fear about regional only, is that such things don't get committed.
>  That is one of the reasons I also tend to resist the move to regional
>  mailing lists.
>
>  2. FAmSCo isn't needed for event organization. To my knowledge FAmSCo
>  hasn't ever really provided this service that I can remember, except
>  for perhaps in the very early beginning.
>
>
>
> >
> > (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on?
>
>  FAmSCo should focus on the following in my opinion:
>
>  1. Developing and ensuring continuity of regional leadership.
>  2. Providing direction - setting guidelines for global Ambassador
>  behavior [1] that isn't culturally intrusive
>  3. Coordinating cross-regional efforts, and facilitating communication
>  between regional leadership.
>  4. Handling the 'big picture' perspective and setting the global goals
>  as they change over time for what Ambassadors and FAmSCo itself should
>  be doing.
>
>  I think that some of this means a structural change in FAmSCo. I think
>  that some seats on FAmSCo should be tied to regions. ie, have  NA,
>  EMEA, APAC, and LATAM FAmSCo seats, with the balance being at-large
>  seats.
>
>
>
>  [1] I have been pretty disappointed by some of the traffic occurring
>  on the Ambassador list. in the past 6 months. There appear to be more
>  and more Ambassadors who don't understand or don't support Fedora's
>  foundational principles, particularly Freedom. What causes me concern
>  isn't necessarily that those people have such opinions, but that they
>  are Ambassadors - they are supposed to represent Fedora to the world
>  and either they don't have a clear understanding or they disagree with
>  it.
>
>
> >
> > (4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Max
> >
> > --
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[Joerg Simon]

Hi David,

Am Montag, 10. November 2008 16:50:39 schrieb David Nalley:
>  2. Providing direction - setting guidelines for global Ambassador
>  behavior [1] that isn't culturally intrusive 
Can you be more precise, is it related to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct ?

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[David Nalley]

2008/11/10 JoergSimon <jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Hi David,
>
>  Am Montag, 10. November 2008 16:50:39 schrieb David Nalley:
> > 2. Providing direction - setting guidelines for global Ambassador
> > behavior [1] that isn't culturally intrusive
>
>  Can you be more precise, is it related to
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct ?
>
>  cu Joerg
>  
That is it exactly, Joerg. I don't think that FAmSCo should get into
the nitty gritty of defining things like dress code at events, because
that changes from region to region. That said, things like the page
you set above are apparently oblivious to some Ambassadors. I don't
know if that is a education issue or something else. but given some of
the recent long threads that have occurred on the list, it is an
issue, and something that FAmSCo would seem in the best place to
handle as it seems to transcend regional boundaries.

Thanks,

David Nalley

[Amit Caleechurn]

Hi David,
               I don't think that FAmSCo dicates the conduct of ambassadors,
they speak from experience laying a base for others to follow. Just like
what we are into: OpenSource, it up to us to build upon these guidelines or
bend the rules :-) Personally I think people judge us, the project from the
image we project of ourselves and that is why they insist upon a dressing
code and conduct. I saw an earlier post about ambassadors who don't
understand or support Fedora's basic principles out of ignorance. I presume
much emphasis is not being laid on this matter, people join fedora because
they love the project, it has been of use to them and they wish to make a
significant contribution, hence FAmSco need to play an important role on
educating and supporting the embassadors first.

Amit

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM, David Nalley <david(a)gnsa.us&gt; wrote:

>  2008/11/10 JoergSimon <jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > Hi David,
>  >
>  > Am Montag, 10. November 2008 16:50:39 schrieb David Nalley:
>  >> 2. Providing direction - setting guidelines for global Ambassador
>  >> behavior [1] that isn't culturally intrusive
>  >
>  > Can you be more precise, is it related to
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct ?
>  >
>  > cu Joerg
>  >
>
>  That is it exactly, Joerg. I don't think that FAmSCo should get into
>  the nitty gritty of defining things like dress code at events, because
>  that changes from region to region. That said, things like the page
>  you set above are apparently oblivious to some Ambassadors. I don't
>  know if that is a education issue or something else. but given some of
>  the recent long threads that have occurred on the list, it is an
>  issue, and something that FAmSCo would seem in the best place to
>  handle as it seems to transcend regional boundaries.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  David Nalley
>
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[Karsten Wade]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:04:38PM +0500, Amit Caleechurn wrote:
>  Personally I think people judge us, the project from the
>  image we project of ourselves and that is why they insist upon a dressing
>  code and conduct. 
We must acknowledge regional and cultural differences in dress and
conduct.

For example, in some parts of the world, going out for beer after an
event with people is the cultural norm.  In other parts, beer is not
legal, so maybe a teahouse works.

For dress, the most I would like to see is a code like this:

  "Remember that you represent Fedora and dress appropriately.  You
  understand best what is right and wrong for your region."

For example, if an Ambassador from San Francisco, CA showed up to an
SF event with many tattoos, body piercings, and loud clothing
... well, that it is normal in the Bay Area for people to express
themselves in such ways.  To force that person to adopt a uniform
appearance would _reduce_ their effectiveness.

Across the US, if you show up to a tech conference in a suit and tie,
you will be the unusual person.  If you show up in t-shirt, shorts,
and sandles on the West Coast, you will look like the rest of the
crowd.  East Coast might prefer a buttoned shirt and slacks.  Etc.

Thus, these are the sort of decisions that *must* be handled
regionally.

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[Max Spevack]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:

>  For dress, the most I would like to see is a code like this:
>
>   "Remember that you represent Fedora and dress appropriately.  You
>   understand best what is right and wrong for your region." 
<snip>

>  Thus, these are the sort of decisions that *must* be handled 
>  regionally. 
+1

=========

Hopefully during this weekend's FAD EMEA I will be able to put together 
a summary of all the feedback in this thread for everyone to review.

I really appreciate all the comments.

--Max

[Joerg Simon]

Am Montag, 10. November 2008 17:47:24 schrieb David Nalley:
>  That is it exactly, Joerg. I don't think that FAmSCo should get
> into
>  the nitty gritty of defining things like dress code at events, because
>  that changes from region to region.  
+1

>  That said, things like the page 
>  you set above are apparently oblivious to some Ambassadors. I don't
>  know if that is a education issue or something else. 
>  but given some of 
>  the recent long threads that have occurred on the list, it is an
>  issue, and something that FAmSCo would seem in the best place to
>  handle as it seems to transcend regional boundaries. 
As you know we have enhanced the Membership Process in a way where we hope to 
increase quality. 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-September/ms...

In my eyes we can make it more perfect, as example with more regional Mentors 
in some Areas and a time commitment from such Mentors.

And if we really have meritocracy we need measurability - for both, 
Ambassadors and Mentors.

David thanks for your clarification!

And thanks Max for starting this thread - i am so happy to see a revived 
discussion with focus on the contents of our work!

CU Joerg

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[Francesco Ugolini]

2008/11/10 Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt;:

>  (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we
> are trying to
>  create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each part
>  of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors in that
>  region get the resources that they need? 
I think with this model we can have a simplified "infrastructure" that
could work faster and with results (better problem solving etc).

Local leadership is a key element of all the process: I personally
like that model if we are able to keep clear that there is only ONE
Ambassadors Project and we are, all together, a community.

>  (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and
> getting
>  things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for event
>  organization? 
IRC meetings are helpful: not only for the local organization but to
report FAmSCo all the in formations about events and other critical
topics. I think, in my personal view, FAmSCo importance grew a lot
with localized meeting: it helps having a clear, unified and reliable
infrastructure that could guarantee a better usage of resource and a
better way to handle FAmSCo tasks (we can receive report and we can
process them for FAmSCo usage).

>  (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on? 
FAmSCo has to remain the resource bridge. BTW, I think it's necessary
to focus more on training organization to create and improve the way
we interface with the outer-world.

During the last months I saw a lot of interest in sponosorhip, I think
Ambassadors, as the voice of the project, and FAmSCo, for a technical
reason, should be able to work finding and routing new sponsors into
the project.
This will mean working on two way: 1) Find new users and promote
Fedora 2) Find sponsors that could help the project spring the wings
(and helping covering local events too).

I think this is a really big question, it will require an entire mail
to discuss about it, but mainly I think FAmSCo should work opening the
Ambassadors' work horizon, trying to simplifying ambassadors life and
working training ambassadors (something that every NPO or business do,
it's not to teach someone something, but to steer better our work).

>  (4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?
First of all, continuing taking care of local ambassadors feedbacks.
Secondly, trying to find a way to work, cooperatively, with local
ambassadors (e.g. local contacts).


What I have said it's a really brief answer to all those core topics.

Thank you Max for these interesting questions.

Best regards

Francesco Ugolini

[Larry Cafiero]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Please share your thoughts on any of the following topics.
>
>  (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we are trying to
>  create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized leaders in each part
>  of the world who are responsible for making sure that Ambassadors in that
>  region get the resources that they need? 

+1

I think that this is a good method because local people know best what the
local needs are. In addition, it decentralizes the decision making and makes
it more responsive to the needs of a given region, rather than having to
wait for top-down authority.

(2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and getting
>  things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed for
> event
>  organization? 

+1 to the first question, -1 to the second. FAmSCo is needed for event
organization and coordination -- especially coordination -- and IRC meetings
are useful for getting things done and keeping everyone "on the same page,"
so to speak. As far as FAmSCo's role in event organization, I believe it is
vital to coordinate events among those regions that are hosting or
participating in events, as well as to serve as a


>  (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on? 

Forgive me if this is obvious, but FAmSCo should focus on making sure
Ambassadors are well prepared and have what they need -- support, materials,
guidance, instruction, etc. -- to properly represent Fedora. To my
knowledge, this is something at which the committee already excels, and
should continue doing.

Personally, I lean toward guidance and instruction as a significant part of
this equation, since I believe it serves us best in having articulate and
prepared ambassadors representing Fedora. However, during my tenure as an
ambassador, everyone I have met has been articulate and well-prepared in
representing Fedora.


>  (4) How can FAmSCo do a better job of serving you or your region?

FAmSCo does a good job in serving me/my region. But as the car commercials
say, your mileage may vary. There are probably others who may not be as
lucky as me, and for those who have been having problems -- if any -- those
need to be rectified.

Also, while my experience is somewhat limited, I have been impressed with
how well ambassadors have worked together -- a facet of this group that
needs to continue and grow. For example, we had a situation recently where
the Event Box had to go to either Portland, Oregon, or Toronto, Ontario (I
think), and one of the things that impressed me was the willingness of
ambassadors to work together. We who requested the box for Portland yielded
to the Toronto event, but the discussion was very cooperative in nature, and
a wide variety of solutions were being offered by all involved.

Larry Cafiero

[Thomas Canniot]

Le Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:44:59 +0100 (CET),
Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit :

>  Hello Ambassadors,
>  
>  With the FAmSCo election coming up in a few weeks, I think it is
>  worth having a discussion about what FAmSCo's mission should be for
>  the coming year, the ways FAmSCo is useful, and the places that it
>  needs to improve.
>  
>  Please share your thoughts on any of the following topics.
>  
>  (1) Do you like the "regional accountability" model that we are
>  trying to create for Ambassadors?  This means having recognized
>  leaders in each part of the world who are responsible for making sure
>  that Ambassadors in that region get the resources that they need? 
Yes I do, sir. I think however that FAMSCo should look more into
finding new leaders in under developped / not known area so as to
assure we have a global Ambassador Project and that we don't have
people working hard on promoting Fedora alone, without FAMSCo help.

>  
>  (2) Are the regional IRC meetings useful for organizing events and 
>  getting things done?  Does this model mean that FAmSCo is not needed
>  for event organization? 
Local meetings are useful. But this does not mean FAMSCo is not need to
event organization : why FAMSCo shouldn't take up the organization of an
event when no local ambassador decides to do it ? Some big events are
to be done and FAMSCo could be active in organizing when there is a
lack of human resources in some areas. 
Moreover, FAMSCo should be active in giving advice in organizing events
even if it is not something we did very much over the past year, but I
think some people would appreciate to know FAMSCo is here to help them
achieve the organization of their event.

>  
>  (3) What do you think FAmSCo should focus on? 
It should focus on joining the Ambassador Project as easy as possible.
I see the Ambassador Project as a first way to start contributing
inside the project, then it should serve as a showcase of transparency
so as to give future contributors the will to join.
FAMSCo should also strengthen its capacity to be a link between people
and have them work together.
FAMSCo should also look into undercovered area and launch call to local
user to step into the Ambassador Project to be sure the voice of Fedora
is spread in every global areas.



Thomas