[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Stuff at Red Hat Cool Stuff Store

[Thomas Canniot]

Hello everybody,

First I would like to say that this mail is not -from my point of view-
out this list because it concerns the feedbacks of fedora users (at
least French users), and it is part of Ambassador's job to report
feddbacks. :)

Fedora Stuff had been announced as available on RH Cool Stuff Store. We,
the French Community, were very eager to have the cool stuffs available.
We were very impatient and I did my best to calm down some French people
from taking the logo and making our *own* French Fedora T-shirt and
goodies, that wouldn't help supporting RH/ the distro. Then we waited.

And we finally got them! Great news! Thanks everybody, I personaly find
the t-shirts and the caps look great! I wanted to order a shirt, and
found *by surprise* that shipping costs were 3.5 more expensive than the
t-shirts itself (53$ shipping for a 15$ t-shirt)! 

Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
other shops can make more than better shipping costs!

Where is the problem? Is there something wrong?

Regards,
 
-- 
Thomas Canniot
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot

[Thomas Chung]

On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
> ...
>  And we finally got them! Great news! Thanks everybody, I personaly find
>  the t-shirts and the caps look great! I wanted to order a shirt, and
>  found *by surprise* that shipping costs were 3.5 more expensive than the
>  t-shirts itself (53$ shipping for a 15$ t-shirt)!
>
>  Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
>  other shops can make more than better shipping costs!
>
>  Where is the problem? Is there something wrong? 
Unfortunately, Fedora Stuff isn't available from European Store [1] yet.
That's why the cost of shipping from US Store [2] to European
countries including France could be very expensive.
Regards,

[1] https://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/en/coolstuff.php3
[2] http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Thomas Canniot]

Le mercredi 14 juin 2006 à 14:20 -0700, Thomas Chung a écrit :
>  On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  >...
>  > And we finally got them! Great news! Thanks everybody, I personaly find
>  > the t-shirts and the caps look great! I wanted to order a shirt, and
>  > found *by surprise* that shipping costs were 3.5 more expensive than the
>  > t-shirts itself (53$ shipping for a 15$ t-shirt)!
>  >
>  > Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
>  > other shops can make more than better shipping costs!
>  >
>  > Where is the problem? Is there something wrong?
>  
>  Unfortunately, Fedora Stuff isn't available from European Store [1] yet.
>  That's why the cost of shipping from US Store [2] to European
>  countries including France could be very expensive.
>  Regards,
>  
>  [1] https://www.europe.redhat.com/shop/en/coolstuff.php3
>  [2] http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37 
Maybe, but RH seems to be the *only* American store that have such high
shipping costs.

About the European store, the only shipping method is UPS. Let's quote :
"The shipping cost will be 23.59 EUR for UPS." It makes a cap at about
$54. 

I really would like to know who is kidding :)

Regards

-- 
Thomas Canniot
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot

[Thomas Chung]

On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  Maybe, but RH seems to be the *only* American store that have such
> high
>  shipping costs. 
Please note this store[1] is not *owned* by Red Hat but *owned and
run* by Brandfuel[2].
So it's not fair to blame Red Hat which they might not have the
control over shipping cost.
Regards,

[1] http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/
[2] http://www.brandfuel.com/
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Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Michael J. Knox]

Thomas Chung wrote:
>  On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  
> > Maybe, but RH seems to be the *only* American store that have such high
> > shipping costs.
>  
>  
>  Please note this store[1] is not *owned* by Red Hat but *owned and
>  run* by Brandfuel[2].
>  So it's not fair to blame Red Hat which they might not have the
>  control over shipping cost.
>  Regards,
>  
>  [1] http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/
>  [2] http://www.brandfuel.com/ 
Perhaps those of us that are not happy with the shipping costs can 
contact brandfuel and request they review their shipping costs.

Michael

[Pawel Sadowski]

On 15-06-2006, thu at 10:09 +1200, Michael J. Knox wrote:
>  Thomas Chung wrote:
>  > On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  > 
>  >> Maybe, but RH seems to be the *only* American store that have such high
>  >> shipping costs.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Please note this store[1] is not *owned* by Red Hat but *owned and
>  > run* by Brandfuel[2].
>  > So it's not fair to blame Red Hat which they might not have the
>  > control over shipping cost.
>  > Regards,
>  > 
>  > [1] http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/
>  > [2] http://www.brandfuel.com/
>  
>  Perhaps those of us that are not happy with the shipping costs can 
>  contact brandfuel and request they review their shipping costs.
>  
>  Michael 
Yeah, I agree with you all guys. Some time ago I wanted to buy some Red
Hat Cool Stuff, but the shipping cost was "quite expensive", more
expensive than the stuff itself. It indeed can be a good idea to suggest
Red Hat changing of the shop owner.

On 15-06-2006, thu at 00:13:14 +0200, Thomas Canniot
>  Even if it reimbursed, I can't afford such an expense. My local
> lug
>  ordered home made t-shirts and I really can't afford such an amount of
>  money. 
Yep, you're right. I have a question to Thomas Chung - do we have to pay
for the stuff produced locally first, and then we can be reimbursed, or
is it possible to just pay for it by reimbursed money? E.g.: Ambassador
could order the stuff at a local shop, give to you needed data and
FAMSCO could pay for it? Thomas (Canniot) is right, it is really a large
expense for a "normal guy".


Regards,
Pawel Sadowski

[Thomas Chung]

On 6/15/06, Pawel Sadowski <mcgiwer(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Yep, you're right. I have a question to Thomas Chung - do we have
> to pay
>  for the stuff produced locally first, and then we can be reimbursed, or
>  is it possible to just pay for it by reimbursed money? E.g.: Ambassador
>  could order the stuff at a local shop, give to you needed data and
>  FAMSCO could pay for it? Thomas (Canniot) is right, it is really a large
>  expense for a "normal guy". 
That's something you'll have to work with your local vendor.
Once again, please submit your formal request via the form and email
to famsco-list.
Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Thomas Canniot]

Le mercredi 14 juin 2006 à 15:02 -0700, Thomas Chung a écrit :
>  On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  > Maybe, but RH seems to be the *only* American store that have such high
>  > shipping costs.
>  
>  Please note this store[1] is not *owned* by Red Hat but *owned and
>  run* by Brandfuel[2].
>  So it's not fair to blame Red Hat which they might not have the
>  control over shipping cost.
>  Regards,
>  
>  [1] http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/
>  [2] http://www.brandfuel.com/ 
That I didn't see. Read "Brandfuel sucks" instead :)
-- 
Thomas Canniot
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot

[Dimitris Glezos]

O/H Thomas Chung έγραψε:
>  On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
> > Maybe, but RH seems to be the *only* American store that have such high
> > shipping costs.
>  
>  Please note this store[1] is not *owned* by Red Hat but *owned and
>  run* by Brandfuel[2].
>  So it's not fair to blame Red Hat which they might not have the
>  control over shipping cost. 
Another idea is for Red Hat to change it's store owner from Brandfuel to 
something that has reasonable shipping costs.

It's not just the money, it's bad publicity too.


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[Jorge Torres]

Hi,

I was also very happy when I read about the Fedora Cool Stuff Store,
and was going to buy some stuff when I realized what you said: the
shipping was more expensive than the stuff I was buying in the first
place.

For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this is,
22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.

Is there something that can be done about this?


On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  Hello everybody,
>
>  First I would like to say that this mail is not -from my point of view-
>  out this list because it concerns the feedbacks of fedora users (at
>  least French users), and it is part of Ambassador's job to report
>  feddbacks. :)
>
>  Fedora Stuff had been announced as available on RH Cool Stuff Store. We,
>  the French Community, were very eager to have the cool stuffs available.
>  We were very impatient and I did my best to calm down some French people
>  from taking the logo and making our *own* French Fedora T-shirt and
>  goodies, that wouldn't help supporting RH/ the distro. Then we waited.
>
>  And we finally got them! Great news! Thanks everybody, I personaly find
>  the t-shirts and the caps look great! I wanted to order a shirt, and
>  found *by surprise* that shipping costs were 3.5 more expensive than the
>  t-shirts itself (53$ shipping for a 15$ t-shirt)!
>
>  Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
>  other shops can make more than better shipping costs!
>
>  Where is the problem? Is there something wrong?
>
>  Regards,
>
>  --
>  Thomas Canniot
>  http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot
>
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[TitaX]

Why not authorize the ambassadors of the European countries to publish them
same their tee-shirt?

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2006/6/14, Jorge Alberto Torres H. <jtorresh(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Hi,
>
>  I was also very happy when I read about the Fedora Cool Stuff Store,
>  and was going to buy some stuff when I realized what you said: the
>  shipping was more expensive than the stuff I was buying in the first
>  place.
>
>  For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this is,
>  22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
>  I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
>  shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.
>
>  Is there something that can be done about this?
>
>
>  On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  > Hello everybody,
>  >
>  > First I would like to say that this mail is not -from my point of view-
>  > out this list because it concerns the feedbacks of fedora users (at
>  > least French users), and it is part of Ambassador's job to report
>  > feddbacks. :)
>  >
>  > Fedora Stuff had been announced as available on RH Cool Stuff Store. We,
>  > the French Community, were very eager to have the cool stuffs available.
>  > We were very impatient and I did my best to calm down some French people
>  > from taking the logo and making our *own* French Fedora T-shirt and
>  > goodies, that wouldn't help supporting RH/ the distro. Then we waited.
>  >
>  > And we finally got them! Great news! Thanks everybody, I personaly find
>  > the t-shirts and the caps look great! I wanted to order a shirt, and
>  > found *by surprise* that shipping costs were 3.5 more expensive than the
>  > t-shirts itself (53$ shipping for a 15$ t-shirt)!
>  >
>  > Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
>  > other shops can make more than better shipping costs!
>  >
>  > Where is the problem? Is there something wrong?
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  >
>  > --
>  > Thomas Canniot
>  > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot
>  >
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[Thomas Chung]

On 6/14/06, TitaX <titax-mailing(a)rezium.net&gt; wrote:
>  Why not authorize the ambassadors of the European countries to
> publish them
>  same their tee-shirt? 
Actually, all *approved* Ambassadors living outside of US have been
asked to produce Fedora Materials (DVDs, T-Shirts) locally for their
Fedora Events then request for reimbursement. Of course the request
needs to be reviewed and approved by FAMsco.

Ambassador Reimbursement Guidelines are available at:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Thomas Canniot]

Le mercredi 14 juin 2006 à 14:55 -0700, Thomas Chung a écrit :
>  On 6/14/06, TitaX <titax-mailing(a)rezium.net&gt; wrote:
>  > Why not authorize the ambassadors of the European countries to publish them
>  > same their tee-shirt?
>  
>  Actually, all *approved* Ambassadors living outside of US have been
>  asked to produce Fedora Materials (DVDs, T-Shirts) locally for their
>  Fedora Events then request for reimbursement. Of course the request
>  needs to be reviewed and approved by FAMsco.
>  
>  Ambassador Reimbursement Guidelines are available at:
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee 
Even if it reimbursed, I can't afford such an expense. My local lug
ordered home made t-shirts and I really can't afford such an amount of
money.

-- 
Thomas Canniot
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot

[Michael J. Knox]

Hopefully they can offer alternative means of shipping.

thinkgeek.com ships to New Zealand and while its still expensive, its 
not as expensive as the RH store. Example, a $14.99 USD tshirt costs 
$23.18 USD via UPS express to New Zealand.

At the RH store, $45 USD for a fleese pull over and $68 USD to ship it 
to New Zealand.

Michael

Jorge Alberto Torres H. wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I was also very happy when I read about the Fedora Cool Stuff Store,
>  and was going to buy some stuff when I realized what you said: the
>  shipping was more expensive than the stuff I was buying in the first
>  place.
>  
>  For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this is,
>  22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
>  I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
>  shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.
>  
>  Is there something that can be done about this?
>  
>  
>  On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > First I would like to say that this mail is not -from my point of view-
> > out this list because it concerns the feedbacks of fedora users (at
> > least French users), and it is part of Ambassador's job to report
> > feddbacks. :)
> >
> > Fedora Stuff had been announced as available on RH Cool Stuff Store. We,
> > the French Community, were very eager to have the cool stuffs available.
> > We were very impatient and I did my best to calm down some French people
> > from taking the logo and making our *own* French Fedora T-shirt and
> > goodies, that wouldn't help supporting RH/ the distro. Then we waited.
> >
> > And we finally got them! Great news! Thanks everybody, I personaly find
> > the t-shirts and the caps look great! I wanted to order a shirt, and
> > found *by surprise* that shipping costs were 3.5 more expensive than the
> > t-shirts itself (53$ shipping for a 15$ t-shirt)!
> >
> > Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
> > other shops can make more than better shipping costs!
> >
> > Where is the problem? Is there something wrong?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- 
> > Thomas Canniot
> > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot
> >
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[Gerold]

we can say what we want, it doesn't care ...

BUT imho we need urgend another solution for this issue. 

I know it's not very constructive to say it like this, because I have
already no other (better) idea, but thi issue cann't be the end of the
story :-(


Gerold


Am Donnerstag, den 15.06.2006, 09:37 +1200 schrieb Michael J. Knox:
>  Hopefully they can offer alternative means of shipping.
>  
>  thinkgeek.com ships to New Zealand and while its still expensive, its 
>  not as expensive as the RH store. Example, a $14.99 USD tshirt costs 
>  $23.18 USD via UPS express to New Zealand.
>  
>  At the RH store, $45 USD for a fleese pull over and $68 USD to ship it 
>  to New Zealand.
>  
>  Michael
>  
>  Jorge Alberto Torres H. wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > I was also very happy when I read about the Fedora Cool Stuff Store,
>  > and was going to buy some stuff when I realized what you said: the
>  > shipping was more expensive than the stuff I was buying in the first
>  > place.
>  > 
>  > For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this is,
>  > 22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
>  > I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
>  > shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.
>  > 
>  > Is there something that can be done about this?
>  > 
>  > 
>  > On 6/14/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  > 
>  >> Hello everybody,
>  >>
>  >> First I would like to say that this mail is not -from my point of view-
>  >> out this list because it concerns the feedbacks of fedora users (at
>  >> least French users), and it is part of Ambassador's job to report
>  >> feddbacks. :)
>  >>
>  >> Fedora Stuff had been announced as available on RH Cool Stuff Store. We,
>  >> the French Community, were very eager to have the cool stuffs available.
>  >> We were very impatient and I did my best to calm down some French people
>  >> from taking the logo and making our *own* French Fedora T-shirt and
>  >> goodies, that wouldn't help supporting RH/ the distro. Then we waited.
>  >>
>  >> And we finally got them! Great news! Thanks everybody, I personaly find
>  >> the t-shirts and the caps look great! I wanted to order a shirt, and
>  >> found *by surprise* that shipping costs were 3.5 more expensive than the
>  >> t-shirts itself (53$ shipping for a 15$ t-shirt)!
>  >>
>  >> Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
>  >> other shops can make more than better shipping costs!
>  >>
>  >> Where is the problem? Is there something wrong?
>  >>
>  >> Regards,
>  >>
>  >> -- 
>  >> Thomas Canniot
>  >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot
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[Thomas Chung]

On 6/14/06, Jorge Alberto Torres H. <jtorresh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I was also very happy when I read about the Fedora Cool Stuff Store,
>  and was going to buy some stuff when I realized what you said: the
>  shipping was more expensive than the stuff I was buying in the first
>  place.
>
>  For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this is,
>  22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
>  I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
>  shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.
>
>  Is there something that can be done about this? 
Here is what I can do for our *active* Ambassadors.
I've just placed 25 Fedora Pens and it cost only $7.35 for shipping to
here in US locally.
I'm going to find out the least amount of shipping cost to outside of US.
Hopefully, it won't cost no more than $10.
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Thomas Chung]

On 6/14/06, Thomas Chung <tchung(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On 6/14/06, Jorge Alberto Torres H. <jtorresh(a)gmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > I was also very happy when I read about the Fedora Cool Stuff Store,
>  > and was going to buy some stuff when I realized what you said: the
>  > shipping was more expensive than the stuff I was buying in the first
>  > place.
>  >
>  > For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this is,
>  > 22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
>  > I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
>  > shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.
>  >
>  > Is there something that can be done about this?
>
>  Here is what I can do for our *active* Ambassadors.
>  I've just placed 25 Fedora Pens and it cost only $7.35 for shipping to
>  here in US locally.
>  I'm going to find out the least amount of shipping cost to outside of US.
>  Hopefully, it won't cost no more than $10.
>  --
>  Thomas Chung
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung
>  
Ok, I just found out via USPS.com, International shipping cost for 3 ounces:
Global Priority Mail - Flat-rate Envelope (Small) 4 - 6 Days $5.25
I'll let you guys know when I receive Fedora Pens and I'll offer you
one for the cost of shipping cost only. :)
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[Thomas Canniot]

Le mercredi 14 juin 2006 à 15:18 -0700, Thomas Chung a écrit :
>  On 6/14/06, Thomas Chung <tchung(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > On 6/14/06, Jorge Alberto Torres H. <jtorresh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > I was also very happy when I read about the Fedora Cool Stuff Store,
>  > > and was going to buy some stuff when I realized what you said: the
>  > > shipping was more expensive than the stuff I was buying in the first
>  > > place.
>  > >
>  > > For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this is,
>  > > 22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
>  > > I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
>  > > shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.
>  > >
>  > > Is there something that can be done about this?
>  >
>  > Here is what I can do for our *active* Ambassadors.
>  > I've just placed 25 Fedora Pens and it cost only $7.35 for shipping to
>  > here in US locally.
>  > I'm going to find out the least amount of shipping cost to outside of US.
>  > Hopefully, it won't cost no more than $10.
>  > --
>  > Thomas Chung
>  > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung
>  >
>  
>  Ok, I just found out via USPS.com, International shipping cost for 3 ounces:
>  Global Priority Mail - Flat-rate Envelope (Small) 4 - 6 Days $5.25
>  I'll let you guys know when I receive Fedora Pens and I'll offer you
>  one for the cost of shipping cost only. :) 
Thanks a lot! It will help me calm down for some days :)
-- 
Thomas Canniot
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot

[Max Spevack]

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Jorge Alberto Torres H. wrote:

>  For example, for a $3 pen the shipping costs are around $68 (this
> is,
>  22 times what the pen costs). I find this pretty expensive because
>  I've bought a lot of things (in other stores like Amazon) and the
>  shipping was only about $10 and $30 for the express delivery.
>
>  Is there something that can be done about this? 
Yes.  Step 1 was to get the US coolstuff store setup.  Step 2 is to figure 
out how to replicate a similar sort of setup in other geos, because 
clearly the shipping costs are insane out of the US.

Shipping costs is the biggest problem that we have with swag, and we know 
it needs to be dealt with.

--Max

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[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On 6/15/06, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Yes.  Step 1 was to get the US coolstuff store setup.  Step 2 is to figure
>  out how to replicate a similar sort of setup in other geos, because
>  clearly the shipping costs are insane out of the US.
>
>  Shipping costs is the biggest problem that we have with swag, and we know
>  it needs to be dealt with.
>
>  
Possible solutions to the predicament (and I know there might be glitches in
implementing them)

o Hold on to the art work rights but allow local equivalents of ThinkGeeks
to come up (right now someone I know has been bugging me as to whether a
ThinkGeek or a Cafepress equivalent would be welcome by Red Hat as one of
the entities involved)

o Get BrandFuel to work out a reasonable pricing mechanism

o Figuring out if the presence of Red Hat offices locally could be leveraged

:Sankarshan


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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Shipping 101 - was Fedora Stuff @ Cool Stuff Store

[Karlie Robinson]

Max Spevack wrote:

>  ...because clearly the shipping costs are insane out of the US.
>
>  Shipping costs is the biggest problem that we have with swag, and we 
>  know it needs to be dealt with.
>
>  --Max
>  
Shipping costs from the USA to international locations have never been 
insane.  A little expensive, but never insane. 

It all comes down to the mail room and the knowledge and flexibility of 
the people working there to get things from point a-b at a reasonable 
cost. 

Like the Pens Thomas Chung would like to ship... 

Air Mail Letter Post to most locations would arrive in about 7 days and 
be less than $2.55 postage.  As an added bonus, when something is less 
than 1 pound customs forms aren't required. 

So take a t-shirt.  If it's packaged in a light but rugged package, like 
a tyvek envelope, you can get it under 1 pound.  You also have the 
choice of using USPS "Flat-Rate" envelopes (no need to buy the tyvek 
ones now) and shove as much into it as you possibly can for the same 
price.  (BTW - Global priority, Large Flat Rate to France - $9.50 but 
it's only about 1 day faster than the lower cost Air Mail options, but 
you'll save if your package is heavy)

Now, if you're talking bulk discs...
100 DVDs should be 5 pounds or less (including packaging)
Again, going plain old Air Mail Parcel Post - $28.70

If you'd like to significantly reduce the import Duty... Some cases 
eliminate it...the key is mark GIFT on the form.  (the reciever is going 
to get slammed if you declare $500 value)

If the intention is to give the discs out at events free of charge and 
there is no cost to the person you're mailing them to, then GIFT would 
apply on the customs forms. 

Please keep in mind, the reason I haven't quoted UPS or FedEx is because 
volume plays a large role in the shipping price with the commercial 
carriers.  If you're business is shipping 1-2 items a day, the USPS is 
going to be the price leader.  But if you're shipping 100+ daily, the 
volume discounts come into play and ounce for ounce will be less than 
the United States Post Office.

Karlie "I ship for a living" Robinson

[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Shipping 101 - was Fedora Stuff @ Cool Stuff Store

[Max Spevack]

Karlie,

Many thanks for that insight.  We've definitely been nailed on customs 
costs before by not declaring something a "gift" when in fact it was being 
sent to someone at no cost to them, which certainly falls under my 
definition of "gift".  :-)

--Max

On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Karlie Robinson wrote:

>  Max Spevack wrote:
>
> > ...because clearly the shipping costs are insane out of the US.
> > 
> > Shipping costs is the biggest problem that we have with swag, and we know 
> > it needs to be dealt with.
> > 
> > --Max
> > 
>  Shipping costs from the USA to international locations have never been 
>  insane.  A little expensive, but never insane. 
>  It all comes down to the mail room and the knowledge and flexibility of the 
>  people working there to get things from point a-b at a reasonable cost. 
>  Like the Pens Thomas Chung would like to ship... 
>  Air Mail Letter Post to most locations would arrive in about 7 days and be 
>  less than $2.55 postage.  As an added bonus, when something is less than 1 
>  pound customs forms aren't required. 
>  So take a t-shirt.  If it's packaged in a light but rugged package, like a 
>  tyvek envelope, you can get it under 1 pound.  You also have the choice of 
>  using USPS "Flat-Rate" envelopes (no need to buy the tyvek ones now) and 
>  shove as much into it as you possibly can for the same price.  (BTW - Global 
>  priority, Large Flat Rate to France - $9.50 but it's only about 1 day faster 
>  than the lower cost Air Mail options, but you'll save if your package is 
>  heavy)
>
>  Now, if you're talking bulk discs...
>  100 DVDs should be 5 pounds or less (including packaging)
>  Again, going plain old Air Mail Parcel Post - $28.70
>
>  If you'd like to significantly reduce the import Duty... Some cases eliminate 
>  it...the key is mark GIFT on the form.  (the reciever is going to get slammed 
>  if you declare $500 value)
>
>  If the intention is to give the discs out at events free of charge and there 
>  is no cost to the person you're mailing them to, then GIFT would apply on the 
>  customs forms. 
>  Please keep in mind, the reason I haven't quoted UPS or FedEx is because 
>  volume plays a large role in the shipping price with the commercial carriers. 
>  If you're business is shipping 1-2 items a day, the USPS is going to be the 
>  price leader.  But if you're shipping 100+ daily, the volume discounts come 
>  into play and ounce for ounce will be less than the United States Post 
>  Office.
>
>  Karlie "I ship for a living" Robinson
>
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[Patrick W. Barnes]

On Wednesday 14 June 2006 16:00, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; 
wrote:
>  Many people are complaining, because we feel it as unfair, and because
>  other shops can make more than better shipping costs!
>
>  Where is the problem? Is there something wrong?
>  
Before this gets too far...

There is already an established relationship between Red Hat and Brandfuel.  
Brandfuel's shipping may not be efficient for international orders, but we 
really don't intend for all ambassadors to procure merchandise from this 
Brandfuel store.  This is really targeted at American ambassadors and users.  
We hope to establish similar relationships in other parts of the world to 
better service all ambassadors and users worldwide, but it will take time.  

Until such options are available, you can make arrangements to ship the 
merchandise to someone in the U.S. who can then forward it at a better 
international rate, you can endure the higher costs, or you can produce 
locally and request reimbursement.  We realize that these may not always be 
options, and you can still use the Ambassador Request Form to request 
merchandise for your events.  We can then address the issue on a case-by-case 
basis.

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[Tejas Dinkar]

On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 18:25 -0500, Patrick W. Barnes wrote:
>  There is already an established relationship between Red Hat and
> Brandfuel.   
I thought the point of us working with BrandFuel, whom Red Hat has
relations with, is that they'd cut the ambassadors some slack.

ie, give the products to the Ambassadors (for official purpouse) at
Slightly over cost price, and FAMSco can directly pay BrandFuel, in case
of Goodies being shipped to ambassadors for events.

If this is not the case, then why do we want BrandFuel selling our
stuff? We should find a more global vendor to carry our goods.

Gja