About Fedora Forum

[Randika Rathugama]

Hi Friends,

I need to clarify something with you guys,  Its about this Forum
http://fedoraforum.org/forum/
Is this a part of http://fedoraproject.org ? or is that something out side
of the Official Fedora project? If it is, where is our forum?

--Randika Rathumaga
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika (My simple Profile)

[Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo]

I think it´s completely outside Fedora Project. But it´s indeed 
referenced in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#Forums

Randika Rathugama escreveu:
>  Hi Friends,
>
>  I need to clarify something with you guys,  Its about this Forum 
>  http://fedoraforum.org/forum/
>  Is this a part of http://fedoraproject.org ? or is that something out 
>  side of the Official Fedora project? If it is, where is our forum?
>
>  --Randika Rathumaga
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika (My simple Profile)
>
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[Ankur Sinha]

hi,

Ive used the forum a lot.. Learnt a lot there.. It does have something to do
with the project.. I dont exactly know the connection though..

regards,

Ankur

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Luis Felipe Marzagao <
lfelipebm(a)yahoo.com.br&gt; wrote:

>  I think it´s completely outside Fedora Project. But it´s indeed
> referenced
>  in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#Forums
>
>  Randika Rathugama escreveu:
>
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > I need to clarify something with you guys,  Its about this Forum
> > http://fedoraforum.org/forum/
> > Is this a part of http://fedoraproject.org ? or is that something out
> > side of the Official Fedora project? If it is, where is our forum?
> >
> > --Randika Rathumaga
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika (My simple Profile)
> >
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[Satyajit Ranjeev]

fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project.


On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:25 +0530, Randika Rathugama wrote:
>  Hi Friends,
>  
>  I need to clarify something with you guys,  Its about this Forum
>  http://fedoraforum.org/forum/
>  Is this a part of http://fedoraproject.org ? or is that something out
>  side of the Official Fedora project? If it is, where is our forum?
>  
>  --Randika Rathumaga
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika (My simple Profile)
>  
>  --
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>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list

[Francesco Ugolini]

2008/10/29 Satyajit Ranjeev <satyajit(a)nerdshack.com&gt;:
>  fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project.
>  
It received the permission to use the logo, but nor the content or the
administration is controlled/owned by Fedora in any way.

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

[Randika Rathugama]

Hi Everyone,

Ok, I can understand fedoraforum.org is endorsed by the "Fedora Project".
But is there any specific reason for not conducting a "Forum" of our own, on
our own domain?

We have,
http://fedoraproject.org/ as the home web site
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ for documentation
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ as the collaborative writing project

additionally, how about our own forum here,
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/forum/ for discussions on "fedora project" and
may be we can provide/get technical help to the community .

What would you think about this? Thanks for reading.

With regards,
--Randika Rathugama


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Francesco Ugolini <
fugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  2008/10/29 Satyajit Ranjeev <satyajit(a)nerdshack.com&gt;:
>  > fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project.
>  >
>
>  It received the permission to use the logo, but nor the content or the
>  administration is controlled/owned by Fedora in any way.
>
>  Regards
>
>  Francesco Ugolini
>
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Fwd: About Fedora Forum

[Randika Rathugama]

Sorry,
Typo on the suggested forum URL, please consider it as
http://fedoraproject.org/forum
Thanks.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Randika Rathugama <randika(a)randika.com&gt;
Date: Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum
To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com


Hi Everyone,

Ok, I can understand fedoraforum.org is endorsed by the "Fedora Project".
But is there any specific reason for not conducting a "Forum" of our own, on
our own domain?

We have,
http://fedoraproject.org/ as the home web site
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ for documentation
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ as the collaborative writing project

additionally, how about our own forum here,
http://fedoraproject.org/forum/for discussions on "fedora project" and
may be we can provide/get technical
help to the community .

What would you think about this? Thanks for reading.

With regards,
--Randika Rathugama


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Francesco Ugolini <
fugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  2008/10/29 Satyajit Ranjeev <satyajit(a)nerdshack.com&gt;:
>  > fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project.
>  >
>
>  It received the permission to use the logo, but nor the content or the
>  administration is controlled/owned by Fedora in any way.
>
>  Regards
>
>  Francesco Ugolini
>
>  --
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>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>

[Jon Stanley]

2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama <randika(a)randika.com&gt;:
>  Sorry,
>  Typo on the suggested forum URL, please consider it as
>  http://fedoraproject.org/forum
>  Thanks. 
What advantage does that give us that the current fedoraforum.org does
not? In order to run our own forum, we'd need more servers to do that,
moderation volunteers, and many other things that already exist over
at fedoraforum.org

In other words, I see no upside, and some potential downside to it.

[Randika Rathugama]

@ Jon Stanley

Hi Jon,
I'm not saying fedoraforum.org is not capable of or not serving to the
fedora project. It's a good addition for the project.
But don't you feel like we are a community with out a an official forum ?

with my understandings a Forum is the best communication platform for an
Open source project.

As you mentioned we may need more hardware resources for the forum. I'm
totally agree with this.

But I do not agree with the "Volunteers" that we require for run a forum.
Fedora Project is a not a community without experts or volunteers.

Think about the number of people who starts using fedora, from the
installation process itself they need some help most of the times. while
they google for solutions if they can't find out a forum from the official
fedora project, to ask their questions, it seems like a problem for me.
anyway its my personal opinion. let's wait for others too.

Thanks



On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama <randika(a)randika.com&gt;:
>  > Sorry,
>  > Typo on the suggested forum URL, please consider it as
>  > http://fedoraproject.org/forum
>  > Thanks.
>
>  What advantage does that give us that the current fedoraforum.org does
>  not? In order to run our own forum, we'd need more servers to do that,
>  moderation volunteers, and many other things that already exist over
>  at fedoraforum.org
>
>  In other words, I see no upside, and some potential downside to it.
>
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>

[Neville A. Cross]

2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama <randika(a)randika.com&gt;:
>  Think about the number of people who starts using fedora, from the
>  installation process itself they need some help most of the times. while
>  they google for solutions if they can't find out a forum from the official
>  fedora project, to ask their questions, it seems like a problem for me.
>  anyway its my personal opinion. let's wait for others too.
>  
If getting a official forum get started, I would suggest more
restrictive release tags. One thing that made my experience less
useful in the fedoraforum.org is reviewing if the solution offered in
older posts are still good with new versions. Most time they do, but
some time you get hints to obsolete packages or work around of fixed
bugs.

In the other hand, creating a new forum is a commitment, because at
some extend it will undermine fedoraforum.org We may be diluting
traffic and support efforts that may get disperse between the two
forums. So, my opinion, if it goes ahead it should be done seriusly
and not just like a test.

-- 
Neville
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
Linux User # 473217

[Francesco Ugolini]

2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama <randika(a)randika.com&gt;:
>  Hi Everyone,
>
>  Ok, I can understand fedoraforum.org is endorsed by the "Fedora Project".
>  But is there any specific reason for not conducting a "Forum" of our own, on
>  our own domain?
>
>  We have,
>  http://fedoraproject.org/ as the home web site
>  http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ for documentation
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ as the collaborative writing project
>
>  additionally, how about our own forum here,
>  http://docs.fedoraproject.org/forum/ for discussions on "fedora project" and
>  may be we can provide/get technical help to the community .
>
>  What would you think about this? Thanks for reading.
>
>  With regards,
>  --Randika Rathugama
>  
It isnt' endorsed by Fedora, it has only the logo usage permission. It
isn't the official forum nor anything connected directly with Fedora.
BTW, there are many Fedora users that contribute to this forum, but I
can't say (as I know) this is the Forum side of Fedora.

This is my humble opinion (it can't be considered the truth, but just
what I know from this side).

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

[Max Spevack]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Randika Rathugama wrote:

>  Ok, I can understand fedoraforum.org is endorsed by the "Fedora
>
>  Project". But is there any specific reason for not conducting a 
>  "Forum" of our own, on our own domain? 
Hi Randika,

Thanks for your question -- it is a good one that people do ask us every 
now and then.  Let me see if I can help answer.

There are a few reasons why we don't have a forum hosted within 
fedoraproject.org.  Mainly, it would be bad from a community 
building point of view.

The fedoraforum.org is maintained by a team of people who provide a 
wonderful service to the Fedora Project.  Starting a competing forum 
would do two things:

(1) It would confuse users, and fragment the community of people who 
actually use the forum.

(2) It would be an act of disrespect to the people who have maintained 
fedoraforum for so long on their own.

Far better for the Fedora Project to continue to give fedoraforum our 
blessing, and our offers for support and help if they need it.

It is in the top google search results for "fedora help" and "fedora 
questions" and it is the top result for "fedora forum".  They are 
successful, they are an asset to the community, and they do great work. 
No reason to do anything to get in their way.

I hope this helps to answer your question.

--Max

[Karsten Wade]

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:12 +0100, Max Spevack wrote:

+1 to all the good stuff I snipped. :)

>  Far better for the Fedora Project to continue to give fedoraforum our
>
>  blessing, and our offers for support and help if they need it. 
This in fact is something good to discuss here.

We've talked about asking Ambassadors (as a "should do" item) to hang
out and help on fedoraforum.org, representing the Fedora Project more
formally.

From what I've read, the fedoraforum.org moderators are good at what
they do.  They are also doing a job that we cannot do from within the
formal project.  We want to do anything reasonable to endorse them while
using simple social skills to keep the discourse civil, accurate, and
useful in both directions.

One other item, I'd like to find a way to distill some of the common
complaints from fforum.org that don't make it to bug reports, etc.  For
example, in the last release, I read several times on fforum.org that
people felt the marketing materials were too positive without discussing
the potential problems in using Fedora.  In other words, we brought in a
bunch of new people on promises without telling them of the bad parts,
and many of those people ended up on fforum.org.

What I hope for is, at least, fforum.org moderators join
fedora-advisory-board.  It is also very helpful for our own Ambassadors
to spend time in that forum and report findings back here.

- Karsten
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[Juan Camilo Prada]

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:10 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
>  On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:12 +0100, Max Spevack wrote:
>  
>  +1 to all the good stuff I snipped. :)
>  
>  > Far better for the Fedora Project to continue to give fedoraforum our 
>  > blessing, and our offers for support and help if they need it.
>  
>  This in fact is something good to discuss here. 
How about proposing something like a mixing-forces deal to integrate
forums and all other sources of information that are actually ours.

AFAIK there is some kind of restriction/patent/license with the forum
engine fedoraforum.org uses, and im not sure if a migration is actually
a possibility here, but pheraps making the forums integrate more with
the rest of the websites we currently have would make the whole fedora
community more united.

This issue was something I criticized on one of my blog posts, although
back then i was only talking about Fedora Project's site and not related
projects efforts. 

Forums are a great source of information and the fact that we dont have
an official one which is actually ours kinda makes you think the project
isnt interested in sharing info with you (yeah i know whe have
docs.fp.org and all that stuff but still).

So perhaps working alongside with the ff.org guys maybe helping them
change their style sheet on the forums to make it look more fedoraish
styled and making it the official forums (being linked from fp.o)
wouldn't be too difficult and would actually be good for the project as
the community might look more integrated and not just some separate
efforts of different communities.


-- 
Juan Camilo Prada <jprada(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;