Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ?

[Francesco Ugolini]

This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1
 = no and 0 = prefer not to say).

The questions to vote are:

1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
List?

2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?

To vote, write:

1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)

2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
ONLY


The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC

[Rex Dieter]

Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? 
1) +1
2) +1

-- Rex

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

+1 / +1

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Rex Dieter wrote:

>  Francesco Ugolini wrote:
> > This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1
> >  = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
> > 
> > The questions to vote are:
> > 
> > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
> > List?
> > 
> > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
> > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>
>  1) +1
>  2) +1
>
>  -- Rex
>
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>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>  
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[Robert Whetsel]

-1

-- 
Cheers,
 
Robert C. Whetsel

Quoting Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
>  To vote, write:
>  
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>  
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
>  
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>  
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>

[Rohan Dighe]

On 2/15/07, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1
>  = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>
>  The questions to vote are:
>
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>
>  To vote, write:
>
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>
>
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC 


-1

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>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>  


-- 
Rohan Dighe
Fedora Ambassador India.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RohanDighe


--
You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to
your grandmother.
-- Albert Einstein

[Francesco Ugolini]

Sorry but to be a valid vote is necessary to say which is the question
you have voted using the following form:

1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)

2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
ONLY


-- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini

[Francesco Ugolini]

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> > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora
> Ambassadors
> > List?
> > 
> > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
> > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
> >  
1) +1
2) +1

Regards

Francesco Ugolini
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[Thomas Canniot]

>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora
> Ambassadors
>  List?
>   
-1

>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the
> Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>   
+1


Thomas

[Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
>  To vote, write:
>  
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>  
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
>  
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC 
+1 on both counts.

Rahul

[Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ?

[Alex]

1) +1
2) +1

[Fedora-marketing-list] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ?

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On 2/15/07, Francesco Ugolini  wrote:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>
>  The questions to vote are:
>
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
1) -1
2) -1

Chitlesh
-- 
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

[Daniam Henriques]

On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 16:21 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
>  To vote, write:
>  
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>  
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
>  
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>  
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list 
+1
+1


-- 
Regards,

Daniam Henriques
Ambassador
Fedora Project
South Africa
www.fedoraproject.org

[Barry Fox]

1) +1
2) +1

[Claus Reheis]

>  On 2/15/07, Francesco Ugolini
> <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  wrote: 
>          This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1
>          = yes, -1
>          = no and 0 = prefer not to say). 
>          
>          The questions to vote are:
>          
>          1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora
>          Ambassadors
>          List? 
+1
>          
>          2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the
>          Ambassadors
>          List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be
>          open to all?  
-1
>          
>          To vote, write:
>          
>          1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>          
>          2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS
>          LIST MEMBERS
>          ONLY
>          
>          
>          The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC 
Claus Reheis

Fedora Ambassador Austria
>   
>    
>  
>          --
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>          Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>          https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>  
>  
>  
>  --  
>  --

[Bart Couvreur]

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Francesco Ugolini schreef:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
>  To vote, write:
>  
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>  
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
>  
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>   
1) +1
2) +1

Bart
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[Jeffrey Tadlock]

Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora
> Ambassadors
>  List?
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? 

1)  +1
2)  +1

R: Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List withAmbassador List ?

[Giuseppe Pignataro]

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com
[mailto:[e-mail]] Per conto di Francesco
Ugolini
Inviato: giovedì 15 febbraio 2007 16.21
A: fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com; fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
Oggetto: [Ambassadors] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List
withAmbassador List ?

This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1  =
no and 0 = prefer not to say).

The questions to vote are:

1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors List?

2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors List,
if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?

To vote, write:

1) -1 (possibilities: +1/-1/0)

2) -1 (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY


The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC

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[Eduardo Villagrán Morales]

El jue, 15-02-2007 a las 16:21 +0100, Francesco Ugolini escribió:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List? 
+1
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>   
+1
>  To vote, write:
>  
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>  
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
>  
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>  
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list 
-- 
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Embajador Fedora - Chile
sip:[e-mail]

[Gerold]

my vote

Am Donnerstag, den 15.02.2007, 16:21 +0100 schrieb Francesco Ugolini:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List? 
^^
-1

>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the
> Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? 
^^
-1

R: Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List withAmbassador List ?

[mak]

1)  +1

2)  -1

On 15/02/07, Giuseppe Pignataro <gpex(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  -----Messaggio originale-----
>  Da: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com
>  [mailto:[e-mail]] Per conto di Francesco
>  Ugolini
>  Inviato: giovedì 15 febbraio 2007 16.21
>  A: fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com; fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  Oggetto: [Ambassadors] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List
>  withAmbassador List ?
>
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
>  -1  =
>  no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>
>  The questions to vote are:
>
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List,
>  if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>
>  To vote, write:
>
>  1) -1 (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>
>  2) -1 (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY
>
>
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>
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mak
---------------------------------------------------------------
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win.

[Marc Wiriadisastra]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francesco Ugolini" <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
To: <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com>; <fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:21 AM
Subject: [Ambassadors] Poll: Do you agree to merge Marketing List 
withAmbassador List ?


>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>  = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>
>  The questions to vote are:
>
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>
>  To vote, write:
>
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) 
+1
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
+1


>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>
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>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>
>

[Hanafiah Muhamad]

1) -1
2) +1


On 2/15/07, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes, -1
>  = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>
>  The questions to vote are:
>
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>
>  To vote, write:
>
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>
>
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>  


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Fedora Ambassadors for Malaysia
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HanafiahMuhamad

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

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Francesco Ugolini wrote:

>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora
> Ambassadors
>  List? 
+1

>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the
> Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? 
+1

:Sankarshan

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But I dream things that never were;
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[Walter Cervini]

El jue, 15-02-2007 a las 16:21 +0100, Francesco Ugolini escribió:

+1

>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
>  To vote, write:
>  
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>  
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
>  
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>  
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list 
-- 
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wcervini(a)gmail.com
Linux User Since 1990
Linux Counter 353289
Fedora Ambassador Venezuela
Fedora-ve.org Group

[Walter Cervini]

El jue, 15-02-2007 a las 16:21 +0100, Francesco Ugolini escribió:
1) -1
2) 0
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  
>  The questions to vote are:
>  
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List?
>  
>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
>  To vote, write:
>  
>  1) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0)
>  
>  2) Your Vote (possibilities: +1/-1/0) ----> FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS
>  ONLY
>  
>  
>  The poll will be closed on Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC
>  
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list 
-- 
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wcervini(a)gmail.com
Linux User Since 1990
Linux Counter 353289
Fedora Ambassador Venezuela
Fedora-ve.org Group

[Bart De Soete]

2007/2/15, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 = yes,
> -1
>   = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>
>  The questions to vote are:
>
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List? 
+1

>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? 
-1
>  
-- 
---

Bart De Soete,

Fedora Ambassador – Belgium

[Marek Mahut]

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 09:31:59AM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
>  >This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 =
> yes, -1
>  > = no and 0 = prefer not to say).
>  >The questions to vote are:
>  >1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  >List?
>  >2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  >List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all? 

+1/0

-- 
Best Regards,
Marek Mahut

[Patrick W. Barnes]

On Thursday 15 February 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  List? 
-1

I can't emphasize my objections enough.  These are two, separate lists with 
two, separate purposes.  There are reasons that each was created, and those 
reasons are still valid today.  The Ambassadors program is not the Marketing 
program.

I've heard it argued that Fedora is not something to be marketed at all.  It 
is true that Fedora is not a packaged, commercial product, but it is an idea, 
and ideas can be marketed every bit as well.  Even things that are free can 
pursue market share.  If we want Fedora to be put into the hands of people 
that can enjoy its benefits, then we have to make sure that they know about 
it.  That's marketing.

So, isn't that what Ambassadors do?  No.  The Ambassadors are a grass-roots 
effort to deliver Fedora, not market it.  They also serve as a bridge between 
the Fedora Project and the rest of the world.  They serve as a voice and a 
listener for each side, enabling interaction and communication at a level 
unprecedented in open source projects.

Yes, the Marketing and Ambassadors projects are related.  Their work can be 
tied closely together, but they are not the same and should not try to become 
the same.  Marketing needs only to be a low-bandwidth channel, which may give 
the appearance of death or failure, but is actually all the more reason to 
keep it as a separate project.  I'm not saying that Marketing doesn't suffer 
from the same inactivity that plagues many of the other Fedora projects, but 
it still serves a useful purpose.

For more on this, see Karsten's message to the Marketing list.

>  2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  
-1

My objections to this are much smaller, but I still don't think this list 
should be cracked wide open.  It was created as a closed list to keep the 
signal-to-noise ratio from getting out of hand and to appropriately limit 
this list to serve its purpose.  We need to keep control of this list or it 
will very quickly fall to become useless and may take the entire Ambassadors 
project with it.  I'd be willing to listen to arguments over an open archive, 
but membership should remain controlled.

Giving up on the tennets that created the Ambassadors project will only assure 
its eventual failure.  Don't let that happen.

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[Thomas Chung]

On 2/17/07, Patrick W. Barnes <nman64(a)n-man.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Thursday 15 February 2007, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  >
>  > 1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
>  > List?
>
>  -1
>
>  I can't emphasize my objections enough.  These are two, separate lists with
>  two, separate purposes.  There are reasons that each was created, and those
>  reasons are still valid today.  The Ambassadors program is not the Marketing
>  program.
>
>  I've heard it argued that Fedora is not something to be marketed at all.  It
>  is true that Fedora is not a packaged, commercial product, but it is an idea,
>  and ideas can be marketed every bit as well.  Even things that are free can
>  pursue market share.  If we want Fedora to be put into the hands of people
>  that can enjoy its benefits, then we have to make sure that they know about
>  it.  That's marketing.
>
>  So, isn't that what Ambassadors do?  No.  The Ambassadors are a grass-roots
>  effort to deliver Fedora, not market it.  They also serve as a bridge between
>  the Fedora Project and the rest of the world.  They serve as a voice and a
>  listener for each side, enabling interaction and communication at a level
>  unprecedented in open source projects.
>
>  Yes, the Marketing and Ambassadors projects are related.  Their work can be
>  tied closely together, but they are not the same and should not try to become
>  the same.  Marketing needs only to be a low-bandwidth channel, which may give
>  the appearance of death or failure, but is actually all the more reason to
>  keep it as a separate project.  I'm not saying that Marketing doesn't suffer
>  from the same inactivity that plagues many of the other Fedora projects, but
>  it still serves a useful purpose.
>
>  For more on this, see Karsten's message to the Marketing list.
>
>  >
>  > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the Ambassadors
>  > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
>  >
>
>  -1
>
>  My objections to this are much smaller, but I still don't think this list
>  should be cracked wide open.  It was created as a closed list to keep the
>  signal-to-noise ratio from getting out of hand and to appropriately limit
>  this list to serve its purpose.  We need to keep control of this list or it
>  will very quickly fall to become useless and may take the entire Ambassadors
>  project with it.  I'd be willing to listen to arguments over an open archive,
>  but membership should remain controlled.
>
>  Giving up on the tennets that created the Ambassadors project will only assure
>  its eventual failure.  Don't let that happen.
>
>  --
>  Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes
>  nman64(a)n-man.com
>  http://n-man.com/ 
All,
I was leaning toward "+1/+1" but after reading Chitlesh, Karsten and
Patrick's reasoning, I'm changing my vote to "-1/-1"
You have until Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC to vote or change your mind.
Francesco will collect all votes in spreadsheet to count your votes or
make any changes.
I'll make the official announcement of the result Monday evening after
famsco meeting.
Regards,
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[Dimitris Glezos]

O/H Thomas Chung έγραψε:
>  All,
>  I was leaning toward "+1/+1" but after reading Chitlesh, Karsten and
>  Patrick's reasoning, I'm changing my vote to "-1/-1"
>  You have until Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC to vote or change your mind.
>  Francesco will collect all votes in spreadsheet to count your votes or
>  make any changes.
>  I'll make the official announcement of the result Monday evening after
>  famsco meeting. 
Some facts make me think that we should probably withdraw the voting.
Experienced community members like Thomas change their votes, Chitlesh/Patrick
seem to have strong opinions, vote are polarized...

These are all signs of voting results that are probably not the best to draw
conclusions from. Sings that show that we might have some more serious
"problems" like e.g. lack of good definition of both projects, etc. To be
honest, I'm a bit afraid that we are rushing into something.

Probably we should talk more about it, or even, talk it up with the Board. We
are not really forced to take any decisions so fast, right?

-d


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[Francesco Ugolini]

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Dimitris Glezos ha scritto:
>  O/H Thomas Chung έγραψε:
> > All,
> > I was leaning toward "+1/+1" but after reading Chitlesh, Karsten and
> > Patrick's reasoning, I'm changing my vote to "-1/-1"
> > You have until Sunday 18th February 00.00 UTC to vote or change your mind.
> > Francesco will collect all votes in spreadsheet to count your votes or
> > make any changes.
> > I'll make the official announcement of the result Monday evening after
> > famsco meeting.
>  
>  Some facts make me think that we should probably withdraw the voting.
>  Experienced community members like Thomas change their votes, Chitlesh/Patrick
>  seem to have strong opinions, vote are polarized...
>  
>  These are all signs of voting results that are probably not the best to draw
>  conclusions from. Sings that show that we might have some more serious
>  "problems" like e.g. lack of good definition of both projects, etc. To be
>  honest, I'm a bit afraid that we are rushing into something.
>  
>  Probably we should talk more about it, or even, talk it up with the Board. We
>  are not really forced to take any decisions so fast, right?
>  
>  -d
>  
>   
In my life/professional experience i never see a decision that was
totally good or bad, i see decision that changed the situation in better
or in worst. I think this poll is in the first category, not only
because i'm one of people who think who follow it, but because we need
to change a situation.

We need to change the situation and we have to do structural changes,
that can be see as bad things if we want to maintain certain original
condition and as good if we want to find new prospectives. We can't
refuse to hide this problem, we have to chose our way and then work on
it: this poll, in my opinion, is the beginning of this process. I think
that in the next months we'll have to reestablish the project, and we'll
have to do if the result of this poll will be +1 or -1.

I hope all ambassador agree with me in this little analysis .

Thanks to all people who in the last month said their opinion, and
thanks to the "Project Geek" who said their opinion, to enlight me over
the pros and cons of this merge.

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

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["Guillermo Gómez S."]

1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassadors
> > List?
> >      
-1
> > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the
> Ambassadors
> > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
> >      
-1

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[Siddharth Upmanyu]

> >1) Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora
> Ambassadors
> > List?
> > 
0

> > 2) FOR AMBASSADORS LIST MEMBERS ONLY: Do you want that the
> Ambassadors
> > List, if it will be not merged with Marketing List, will be open to all?
> > 
-1

Siddharth