[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora in URDU.

[Nayyar Ahmad]

Hello All,

I want to produce Fedora in URDU Language, which is Pakistan's
National Language and defiantly it will give a good chance, that the
low educated people, or those who have problem with English can use
Open Source Operating System, but i want to know the process, that how
can i change English language Fedora Distro to URDU, while i have seen
Punjabi version, i was really impressed by that guys work(one of the
Fedora Ambassador), if he can help me, or any other in the list.

Thanks
--
Nayyar Ahmad
CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
Cell: [phone]
Office: [phone]
Web: www.ossp.com.pk

[Rahul Sundaram]

Nayyar Ahmed wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I want to produce Fedora in URDU Language, which is Pakistan's
> National Language and defiantly it will give a good chance, that the
> low educated people, or those who have problem with English can use
> Open Source Operating System, but i want to know the process, that how
> can i change English language Fedora Distro to URDU, while i have seen
> Punjabi version, i was really impressed by that guys work(one of the
> Fedora Ambassador), if he can help me, or any other in the list.
>
>   
>  
Aman Alam who did the punjabi work is one of the leads of the 
translation project. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N for the 
details on this effort.


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Rahul 

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[Roozbeh Pournader]

On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 22:26 +0500, Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>  I want to produce Fedora in URDU Language, [...] 
Will Fedora need a Nastaliq font for Urdu? If yes, would you care to see
if there is a free/open source Nastaliq font we can distribute in
Fedora? If not, do you know a free/open source font that includes glyphs
required for Urdu?

roozbeh

[Nayyar Ahmad]

On 1/15/06, Roozbeh Pournader <roozbeh(a)farsiweb.info&gt; wrote:
>  On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 22:26 +0500, Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>  > I want to produce Fedora in URDU Language, [...]
>
>  Will Fedora need a Nastaliq font for Urdu? If yes, would you care to see
>  if there is a free/open source Nastaliq font we can distribute in
>  Fedora? If not, do you know a free/open source font that includes 
glyphs

http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html

>  required for Urdu?
>
>  roozbeh
>
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Nayyar Ahmad
CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
Cell: [phone]
Office: [phone]
Web: www.ossp.com.pk

[Roozbeh Pournader]

On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:22 +0500, Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>  http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html 
Three of the font on the website are not free software/open source, and
cannot be included in Fedora.

http://www.crulp.org/nafeesNastaleeq.html
http://www.crulp.org/nafeesNaskh.html
http://www.crulp.org/nafeesPakistaniNaskh.html

There is only one font there with a license suitable for Fedora:

http://www.crulp.org/nafeesWebNaskh.html

Could you check and see if it works fine on Fedora and if it is suitable
for using as the user interface font?

roozbeh

[Nayyar Ahmad]

On 1/15/06, Roozbeh Pournader <roozbeh(a)farsiweb.info&gt; wrote:
>  On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:22 +0500, Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>  > http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html
>
>  Three of the font on the website are not free software/open source, and
>  cannot be included in Fedora. 
I have emailed them and hope fully make them agree to release these
fonts as GPL. while you can check
http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html
>  http://www.crulp.org/nafeesNastaleeq.html
>  http://www.crulp.org/nafeesNaskh.html
>  http://www.crulp.org/nafeesPakistaniNaskh.html
>
>  There is only one font there with a license suitable for Fedora:
>
>  http://www.crulp.org/nafeesWebNaskh.html
>
>  Could you check and see if it works fine on Fedora and if it is suitable
>  for using as the user interface font?
>
>  roozbeh
>
>
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Nayyar Ahmad
CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
Cell: [phone]
Office: [phone]
Web: www.ossp.com.pk

[Tejas Dinkar]

On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:59 +0500, Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>  I have emailed them and hope fully make them agree to release these
>  fonts as GPL. while you can check
>  http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html 
GPL does not apply for Fonts as they are not programs, that can be
derived from source code.

Instead you want a Creative Commons License, or one of the other Free
Licenses for Fonts

Gja
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Tejas Dinkar wrote:

> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:59 +0500, Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>   
>
> >I have emailed them and hope fully make them agree to release these
> >fonts as GPL. while you can check
> >http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html
> >    
> >
>
> GPL does not apply for Fonts as they are not programs, that can be
> derived from source code.
>
>   
>  
GPL can very well apply for fonts too or even documentation though FSF 
recommends against it. See the following references for more details.

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCFontException
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCWhyNotGPLForManuals

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[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

Tejas Dinkar wrote:
>  On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:59 +0500, Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>  
> >I have emailed them and hope fully make them agree to release these
> >fonts as GPL. while you can check
> >http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html
>  
>  
>  GPL does not apply for Fonts as they are not programs, that can be
>  derived from source code. 
Oh by jove it does apply. You might want to check the Licensing site of
FSF (and I am not a lawyer)

Rgds
SM

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But I dream things that never were;
and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw

[Tejas Dinkar]

On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 13:07 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
>  Oh by jove it does apply. You might want to check the Licensing site
> of
>  FSF (and I am not a lawyer)
>  
>  Rgds
>  SM 
> From the GPL faq everyone is linking me to: 
Font licensing is a
complex issue which needs serious consideration. The
following license exception is experimental but approved for general
use.

Note the *emperimental* bit. Why not use a license that is more tested
for it.

Gja

[Nayyar Ahmad]

Hi,

The fonts available with exact GPL are here:

http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html

but they are for MS Windows, would it be usefull for linux as well?

Thanks

On 1/16/06, Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 13:07 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
>  > Oh by jove it does apply. You might want to check the Licensing site of
>  > FSF (and I am not a lawyer)
>  >
>  > Rgds
>  > SM
>
>  >From the GPL faq everyone is linking me to:
>  Font licensing is a complex issue which needs serious consideration. The
>  following license exception is experimental but approved for general
>  use.
>
>  Note the *emperimental* bit. Why not use a license that is more tested
>  for it.
>
>  Gja
>
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Nayyar Ahmad
CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
Cell: [phone]
Office: [phone]
Web: www.ossp.com.pk

[Rahul Sundaram]

Nayyar Ahmed wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The fonts available with exact GPL are here:
>
> http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html
>
> but they are for MS Windows, would it be usefull for linux as well?
>
> Thanks
>  
Fonts are usually not operating system specific. If its under Unicode 
encoding and a format acceptable to fontconfig it will work fine. Just 
drop the font into /usr/share/fonts or ~./fonts and run fc-cache on the 
terminal and check whether it shows up in the font listing in GTK2+ or 
QT3 or above based packages that use fontconfig mechanism.

-- 
Rahul 

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

> Note the *emperimental* bit. Why not use a license that is more tested
> for it.
>
> Gja
>  
IANAL but experimental in this context just means that the particular 
claus has not been incorporated in the original license and might change 
in the future.  GPL+ font exception gives a specific set of advantages 
that none of the other licenses seems to have. To be specific if you 
want your license to be not included in proprietary products but not run 
into the otherwise accidental results of embedding GPL fonts in private 
documents this might be a good license.

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[Jaswinder Singh]

Nayyar Ahmed wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I want to produce Fedora in URDU Language, which is Pakistan's
> National Language and defiantly it will give a good chance, that the
> low educated people, or those who have problem with English can use
> Open Source Operating System, but i want to know the process, that how
> can i change English language Fedora Distro to URDU, while i have seen
> Punjabi version, i was really impressed by that guys work(one of the
> Fedora Ambassador), if he can help me, or any other in the list.
>
>   
>  
Well Nayyares
      it is very nice to start work for urdu you will have to use simply 
po files for start localization as other teams are using. We are also 
starting work for Fedora in Shahmukhi.

cheers
Jassy
Team Member,
Punjab Linux Technology Group
Moga-142001
Punjab-(INDIA)

> Thanks
> --
> Nayyar Ahmad
> CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
> Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
> Cell: [phone]
> Office: [phone]
> Web: www.ossp.com.pk
>
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>
>   
>

[Nayyar Ahmad]

Hi Jaswinder,

The problem is with URDU fonts, although they are funded project but
still it is not GPL :(, i am trying to convince them for GPL release,
Thanks for your reply, i will be in contact to you.

On 1/16/06, Jaswinder Singh <j.phulewala(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>
>  >Hello All,
>  >
>  >I want to produce Fedora in URDU Language, which is Pakistan's
>  >National Language and defiantly it will give a good chance, that the
>  >low educated people, or those who have problem with English can use
>  >Open Source Operating System, but i want to know the process, that how
>  >can i change English language Fedora Distro to URDU, while i have seen
>  >Punjabi version, i was really impressed by that guys work(one of the
>  >Fedora Ambassador), if he can help me, or any other in the list.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  Well Nayyares
>        it is very nice to start work for urdu you will have to use simply
>  po files for start localization as other teams are using. We are also
>  starting work for Fedora in Shahmukhi.
>
>  cheers
>  Jassy
>  Team Member,
>  Punjab Linux Technology Group
>  Moga-142001
>  Punjab-(INDIA)
>
>  >Thanks
>  >--
>  >Nayyar Ahmad
>  >CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
>  >Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
>  >Cell: [phone]
>  >Office: [phone]
>  >Web: www.ossp.com.pk
>  >
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>  >
>  >
>  >
>
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CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
Cell: [phone]
Office: [phone]
Web: www.ossp.com.pk

[Nayyar Ahmad]

Hi,

Following is the link for URDU Fonts license, please check out,
whether it fit to Fedora translation project.
http://www.crulp.org/English%20Site/main.html
thanks

On 1/16/06, Nayyar Ahmed <nayyares(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi Jaswinder,
>
>  The problem is with URDU fonts, although they are funded project but
>  still it is not GPL :(, i am trying to convince them for GPL release,
>  Thanks for your reply, i will be in contact to you.
>
>  On 1/16/06, Jaswinder Singh <j.phulewala(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Nayyar Ahmed wrote:
>  >
>  > >Hello All,
>  > >
>  > >I want to produce Fedora in URDU Language, which is Pakistan's
>  > >National Language and defiantly it will give a good chance, that the
>  > >low educated people, or those who have problem with English can use
>  > >Open Source Operating System, but i want to know the process, that how
>  > >can i change English language Fedora Distro to URDU, while i have seen
>  > >Punjabi version, i was really impressed by that guys work(one of the
>  > >Fedora Ambassador), if he can help me, or any other in the list.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > Well Nayyares
>  >       it is very nice to start work for urdu you will have to use simply
>  > po files for start localization as other teams are using. We are also
>  > starting work for Fedora in Shahmukhi.
>  >
>  > cheers
>  > Jassy
>  > Team Member,
>  > Punjab Linux Technology Group
>  > Moga-142001
>  > Punjab-(INDIA)
>  >
>  > >Thanks
>  > >--
>  > >Nayyar Ahmad
>  > >CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
>  > >Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
>  > >Cell: [phone]
>  > >Office: [phone]
>  > >Web: www.ossp.com.pk
>  > >
>  > >--
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>  > &gt;Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
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>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
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>
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>  Nayyar Ahmad
>  CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
>  Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
>  Cell: [phone]
>  Office: [phone]
>  Web: www.ossp.com.pk
>  

--
Nayyar Ahmad
CEO, OSSP, Pakistan.
Email: nayyar(a)ossp.com.pk
Cell: [phone]
Office: [phone]
Web: www.ossp.com.pk

[Rahul Sundaram]

Nayyar Ahmed wrote:

> Hi Jaswinder,
>
> The problem is with URDU fonts, although they are funded project but
> still it is not GPL :(, i am trying to convince them for GPL release,
> Thanks for your reply, i will be in contact to you.
>   
>  
It would be much better to provide a LGPL license or a GPL license with 
a font exception.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException

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Rahul 

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