Hello there, Like many of you have seen in many mailing lists, suse/opensuse users and contributors are disgusted.
Here, these users/contributors are mostly pro-kde, it's normal because it's suse. However some/these contributors are in search of another distro who supports KDE.
Since Fedora Project already started working on UnleashKDE and will be looking for community fedora KDE contributors, I feel we need to market more on Fedora's KDE status and community contributors are respected!
The idea came when a friend of mine, - a KDE contributor who spends time writing documentation and do french translation - user of opensuse suddenly seriously looking for another distro who supports KDE.
People like him would be useful for the fedora community !!
What do you think about it ? Any plans to make fedora benefit from this ?
Even if you are not a KDE user, you can still have your say,huh!
chitlesh
Some KDE users have left Fedora, because fedora was including a too old KDE. The second point is : KDE is 1 block on fedora. Just few big packages. KDE-base, KDE-network, includes most of the basic applications (konqueror, kopete, konversation, ...)
I'm not a KDE user, so I don't really have any opinion about that, but I think we really have to work on, and to offer a real support for KDE in fedora.
Hope this help.
Maxime
Le samedi 04 novembre 2006 à 13:10 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH a écrit :
Hello there, Like many of you have seen in many mailing lists, suse/opensuse users and contributors are disgusted.
Here, these users/contributors are mostly pro-kde, it's normal because it's suse. However some/these contributors are in search of another distro who supports KDE.
Since Fedora Project already started working on UnleashKDE and will be looking for community fedora KDE contributors, I feel we need to market more on Fedora's KDE status and community contributors are respected!
The idea came when a friend of mine,
- a KDE contributor who spends time writing documentation and do
french translation
- user of opensuse
suddenly seriously looking for another distro who supports KDE.
People like him would be useful for the fedora community !!
What do you think about it ? Any plans to make fedora benefit from this ?
Even if you are not a KDE user, you can still have your say,huh!
chitlesh
Maxime Carron wrote:
Some KDE users have left Fedora, because fedora was including a too old KDE.
Can you be more specific? What version of Fedora didnt include the latest KDE at that time?
The second point is : KDE is 1 block on fedora. Just few big packages. KDE-base, KDE-network, includes most of the basic applications (konqueror, kopete, konversation, ...)
Splitting up packages can make it harder for maintenance. Some of the packages under review are being evaluated to do this however.
Rahul
On 11/4/06, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Maxime Carron wrote:
Some KDE users have left Fedora, because fedora was including a too old KDE.
Can you be more specific? What version of Fedora didnt include the latest KDE at that time?
The second point is : KDE is 1 block on fedora. Just few big packages. KDE-base, KDE-network, includes most of the basic applications (konqueror, kopete, konversation, ...)
Splitting up packages can make it harder for maintenance. Some of the packages under review are being evaluated to do this however.
We are only splitting the binary RPMs, right? In which case the slight increase in maintenance overhead is well worth it - I don't use KDE as my desktop but there are some KDE applications I don't mind using, provided I don't have to install, say, the entire kdenetwork RPM.
By the way, what do people think about changing the button order of KDE and GNOME depending of which desktop one's using?
For KDE: http://dot.kde.org/1085457478/
For GNOME, the corresponding file is ~/.gtkrc
Le samedi 04 novembre 2006 à 21:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
Maxime Carron wrote:
Some KDE users have left Fedora, because fedora was including a too old KDE.
Can you be more specific? What version of Fedora didnt include the latest KDE at that time?
The second point is : KDE is 1 block on fedora. Just few big packages. KDE-base, KDE-network, includes most of the basic applications (konqueror, kopete, konversation, ...)
Splitting up packages can make it harder for maintenance.
Of course, but splitted packages are easier to use. What do we care about ? users or packagers ? I prefer GNOME, but I know that KDE's packaging in fedora is one thing that makes me use GNOME as well.
Having splitted packages would not make me use KDE, but it would be a minus less for KDE.
Moreover, as an ambassador, I can tell that this way of packaging KDE is really bad seen by the foss community. Chitlesh is from my pov completely right.
Some of the packages under review are being evaluated to do this however.
Rahul
Thomas Canniot wrote:
Le samedi 04 novembre 2006 à 21:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
Maxime Carron wrote:
Some KDE users have left Fedora, because fedora was including a too old KDE.
Can you be more specific? What version of Fedora didnt include the latest KDE at that time?
The second point is : KDE is 1 block on fedora. Just few big packages. KDE-base, KDE-network, includes most of the basic applications (konqueror, kopete, konversation, ...)
Splitting up packages can make it harder for maintenance.
Of course, but splitted packages are easier to use. What do we care about ? users or packagers ? I prefer GNOME, but I know that KDE's packaging in fedora is one thing that makes me use GNOME as well.
We need to care about both and balance the needs.
Rahul
Maxime Carron wrote:
Some KDE users have left Fedora, because fedora was including a too old KDE. The second point is : KDE is 1 block on fedora. Just few big packages. KDE-base, KDE-network, includes most of the basic applications (konqueror, kopete, konversation, ...)
KDE makes releases as all-in-one packages. If upstream splits things up, we will split them up, too. See what happened with X.org recently. In fact, I believe we were the first distribution to ship modular X.
If KDE users really want things split up, they should let the KDE developers know about it. Feel free to tell this to whoever complains about it. KDE upstream is making it more difficult for both its users and distributors by not splitting up their packages. Not Fedora.
did you all see this about suse?
Microsoft backs Novell's Linux platform http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/11/03/microsoft.novell.ap/index.html
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 08:13 +0000, Karlie Robinson wrote:
did you all see this about suse?
Microsoft backs Novell's Linux platform http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/11/03/microsoft.novell.ap/index.html
If this is the first time seeing this, you should check out Red Hat's responses here:
http://www.redhat.com/promo/believe/ http://www.redhat.com/truthhappens/
Bravo Red Hat!
-- Chris Negus
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 11:36 -0600, Chris Negus wrote:
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 08:13 +0000, Karlie Robinson wrote:
did you all see this about suse?
Microsoft backs Novell's Linux platform http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/11/03/microsoft.novell.ap/index.html
If this is the first time seeing this, you should check out Red Hat's responses here:
http://www.redhat.com/promo/believe/ http://www.redhat.com/truthhappens/
Bravo Red Hat!
+10. I'm people who have wasted breath foolishly comparing Red Hat to Microsoft are now seeing what it *really* means to put your money where your mouth is. Who said corporate principles are dead?
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
Hello there, Like many of you have seen in many mailing lists, suse/opensuse users and contributors are disgusted.
Here, these users/contributors are mostly pro-kde, it's normal because it's suse. However some/these contributors are in search of another distro who supports KDE.
Since Fedora Project already started working on UnleashKDE and will be looking for community fedora KDE contributors, I feel we need to market more on Fedora's KDE status and community contributors are respected!
The idea came when a friend of mine,
- a KDE contributor who spends time writing documentation and do
french translation
- user of opensuse
suddenly seriously looking for another distro who supports KDE.
People like him would be useful for the fedora community !!
What do you think about it ? Any plans to make fedora benefit from this ?
Even if you are not a KDE user, you can still have your say,huh!
Improving the KDE experience in Fedora is a worthy goal and you can tell potential users and contributors looking to use KDE on Fedora that we are planning on improving it significantly. However there is no need to target OpenSUSE or any specific distribution at the project level.
Ideologically that divisiveness between Linux users is bad. Practically, none of the distributions have enough market enough to be worth it compared to Windows or even better people who havent used computers yet.
Rahul
On 11/7/06, Rahul Sundaram < hidden > wrote:
Ideologically that divisiveness between Linux users is bad. Practically, none of the distributions have enough market enough to be worth it compared to Windows or even better people who havent used computers yet.
I was not talking about division, but about making noise about fedora kde talks so that people know that if they want kde it isn't only from kubuntu!
chitlesh
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On 11/7/06, Rahul Sundaram < hidden > wrote:
Ideologically that divisiveness between Linux users is bad. Practically, none of the distributions have enough market enough to be worth it compared to Windows or even better people who havent used computers yet.
I was not talking about division, but about making noise about fedora kde talks so that people know that if they want kde it isn't only from kubuntu!
Sure. Go ahead.
Rahul
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