Re: Fedora-tour idea

[Jan Wildeboer]

Advocatus diaboli would say on slashdot, via Matt Asay: "See, Red Hat wants 
to abuse poor little users for free testing" what would you counter to sth 
like that?

FTR - I love the idea, but I want it to be perfect ;-)

Jan
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Subject: Fedora-tour idea

Feature idea from the channel tonight - sharing the results of
brainstorming/thinking out loud.

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05:19:30 <PhrkOnLsh> If jrandom comes into #fedora saying "hey i just
installed fedora, everything was simply stellar" we could do a quick
"hey do you have five minutes?
05:20:20 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: I actually wonder... if... I'm thinking
about fedora-tour now.
05:20:31 <PhrkOnLsh> mchua: hmm :)
05:20:36 <mchua> When you install Fedora from scratch, it prompts you at
the end if you want to submit your smolt profile.
05:20:42 <mchua> If you say yes, it automagically ships it off.
05:20:54 <mchua> But what if - in Fedora-tour, or something - by the
little "contribute" section, it went a bit further?
05:21:08 <mchua> And said "hey, here are some things we'd love for you
to check, and see if they work - try doing X, Y, Z"
05:21:42 <mchua> and then a few minutes later, "congratulations you just
submitted your first test case! now go see where it went, and who's
going to pick it up from there..."
05:21:52 <rbergeron> oh, that'd be interesting.
05:21:52 <PhrkOnLsh> hmmm
05:21:55 <PhrkOnLsh> yeah
05:21:58 <rbergeron> "follow the open source white rabbit"
05:22:02 <PhrkOnLsh> i like it
05:22:03 <rbergeron> "hopefully down the rabbit hole"
05:22:04 <rbergeron> :)
05:22:23 <mchua> redpill!
05:22:39 <rbergeron> follow the white rabbit, neo
05:22:42 <mchua> (the Matrix, obviously, got the colors mixed up. Blue
should be down the rabbit hole.)
05:23:04 <PhrkOnLsh> take the redpill, install the blue linux :P

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Fedora-tour idea

[Mel Chua]

On 01/07/2010 03:03 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
>  Advocatus diaboli would say on slashdot, via Matt Asay: "See,
> Red Hat wants
>  to abuse poor little users for free testing" what would you counter to sth
>  like that?
>
>  FTR - I love the idea, but I want it to be perfect ;-)
>
>  Jan 
Ooo. Thanks, Jan - we need more advocatus diaboli on this list. ;)

It's an opt-in activity in the "do you want to learn how to contribute" 
section of fedora-tour; you won't have to do this - or even see it - if 
you're not interested. Basically, a "Learn More!" wizard instead of <a 
href="http://link.org">learn more!</a>.

Alternatively: Think of it as an included lesson people can choose to 
deploy if they're curious about how open source communities work 
together, and how they can begin contributing to that ecosystem if they 
take a look and decide they're interested.

I imagine there would be a "are you interested in learning about $foo?" 
click, and then a "yes, I'd like to contribute in this way!" click; by 
the time they get to the "hello, I am a QA contributor" part, they'll 
know full well that's what they're doing, that they want to do it, and 
that they have a choice that will not disadvantage them in any way if 
they don't pick it.

(Would this work as a counter? What holes are there in it?)

--Mel

Fedora-tour idea

[Athanasios E. Samaras]

Maybe a simple list of the new and exciting features sorted by user profile
(desktop users/ engineers/ gamers / mobile devices/etc) and then a link per
chapter so that the user may access more info should he/she desire.
After all, every s/w house needs users as final testers, otherwise it is not
possible to provide any kind of quality or improvements.
Fedora asks for contributors. This is something the community does by
definition, so it is no one to blame, all distros need their users to point
them to some direction. It is normal.
As about the implementation of the "more info" most probably we (from
marketing team) should help the development teams to produce end-user type
material (I bet they already have produced technical documentation) based on
the existing documentation.
Then we can test the content with the help of non-technical persons (I was
thinking about my wife and a couple of friends) based on their interest, and
finally add the required final touches.

Sakis Samaras

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Mel Chua <mel(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 01/07/2010 03:03 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
>
> > Advocatus diaboli would say on slashdot, via Matt Asay: "See, Red Hat
> > wants
> > to abuse poor little users for free testing" what would you counter to sth
> > like that?
> >
> > FTR - I love the idea, but I want it to be perfect ;-)
> >
> > Jan
> >
>
>  Ooo. Thanks, Jan - we need more advocatus diaboli on this list. ;)
>
>  It's an opt-in activity in the "do you want to learn how to contribute"
>  section of fedora-tour; you won't have to do this - or even see it - if
>  you're not interested. Basically, a "Learn More!" wizard instead of <a
>  href="http://link.org">learn more!</a>.
>
>  Alternatively: Think of it as an included lesson people can choose to
>  deploy if they're curious about how open source communities work together,
>  and how they can begin contributing to that ecosystem if they take a look
>  and decide they're interested.
>
>  I imagine there would be a "are you interested in learning about $foo?"
>  click, and then a "yes, I'd like to contribute in this way!" click; by the
>  time they get to the "hello, I am a QA contributor" part, they'll know
> full
>  well that's what they're doing, that they want to do it, and that they have
>  a choice that will not disadvantage them in any way if they don't pick it.
>
>  (Would this work as a counter? What holes are there in it?)
>
>  --Mel
>
>
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