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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

Serious question; Should the Fedora logo be changed?

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120507#news

'
The Fedora website provided fairly positive results. Everyone was able
to find an appropriate download link for the Fedora ISOs. Likewise,
people were able to find the documentation to walk them through an
installation without too much trouble. What I found a bit amusing was
that almost a third of the participants thought Fedora was some sort of
Facebook plugin or application instead of a full operating system, due
to the project's logo. This is one of those things people inside the
Linux community would probably never consider, but there's a bit of a
confusion over the brand (apparently) where outsiders are concerned."

Rahul

[Danishka Navin]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
> Hi
>
> Serious question; Should the Fedora logo be changed?

No!
Seriously why we should change our logo for few people (it was just a
sample)

I have never heard such thing from my community.

anyway other projects do not have that advantage ;-)
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120507#news
>
> '
> The Fedora website provided fairly positive results. Everyone was able
> to find an appropriate download link for the Fedora ISOs. Likewise,
> people were able to find the documentation to walk them through an
> installation without too much trouble. What I found a bit amusing was
> that almost a third of the participants thought Fedora was some sort of
> Facebook plugin or application instead of a full operating system, due
> to the project's logo. This is one of those things people inside the
> Linux community would probably never consider, but there's a bit of a
> confusion over the brand (apparently) where outsiders are concerned."
>
> Rahul
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[Elad Alfassa]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Danishka Navin  wrote:
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Serious question; Should the Fedora logo be changed?
>
> No!
> Seriously why we should change our logo for few people (it was just a
> sample)
>
> I have never heard such thing from my community.
>
> anyway other projects do not have that advantage ;-)
> > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120507#news
> >
> > '
> > The Fedora website provided fairly positive results. Everyone was able
> > to find an appropriate download link for the Fedora ISOs. Likewise,
> > people were able to find the documentation to walk them through an
> > installation without too much trouble. What I found a bit amusing was
> > that almost a third of the participants thought Fedora was some sort of
> > Facebook plugin or application instead of a full operating system, due
> > to the project's logo. This is one of those things people inside the
> > Linux community would probably never consider, but there's a bit of a
> > confusion over the brand (apparently) where outsiders are concerned."
> >
> > Rahul
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Just a little reminder, Fedora was around BEFORE Facebook. If there is
anyone who should change their logo, it's Facebook, not us.

[Davi Garcia]

> Just a little reminder, Fedora was around BEFORE Facebook. If there is
> anyone who should change their logo, it's Facebook, not us.

I definitely agree with that.

[Evgenii Debacker]

On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 08:08 -0300, Davi Garcia wrote:
> > Just a little reminder, Fedora was around BEFORE Facebook. If there is
> > anyone who should change their logo, it's Facebook, not us.
>
> I definitely agree with that.

One can actually make Fedora logo red, like old kind Red Hat Linux that
I started Linux with. But is it really good idea?! Then Fedora would
need to change logo every time something "new" appears!!..

Also I, *.deb - user ask everyone: does Fedora, like Ubuntu, likes the
idea to attract users who think everything in the world is Facebook or
plug-in to Facebook?! (Loosing "stable", "serious" users?!) 
Seriously, you should know the difference between Linux, GNU and
Facebook, even if you start using Ubuntu / Kubuntu / Linux Mint!

Evgenii, Russia, running Trisquel.

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 08:08 -0300, Davi Garcia wrote:
> > Just a little reminder, Fedora was around BEFORE Facebook. If there is
> > anyone who should change their logo, it's Facebook, not us.
>
> I definitely agree with that.

+1

I see no reason at all to change our logo. It's perfect the way it is.
If someone thought it was a Facebook plug-in.. well...

[inode0]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 08:08 -0300, Davi Garcia wrote:
> > > Just a little reminder, Fedora was around BEFORE Facebook. If there is
> > > anyone who should change their logo, it's Facebook, not us.
> >
> > I definitely agree with that.
>
> +1
>
> I see no reason at all to change our logo. It's perfect the way it is.

If it is confused with other logos from a similar product space then
it isn't perfect. It may well be no fault of the logo but it is a
problem.
> If someone thought it was a Facebook plug-in.. well...

If a lot of someones think it is related to Facebook then it is a
problem worth thinking about before it gets completely out of control.
We have seen other hints that this confusion exists in the past as
well.

Admitting we have a brand problem which seems to be related to some
similar aspects that exist in our logo and in Facebook's logo doesn't
mean we need to abandon our logo. Are there other ways available to us
to mitigate this confusion? Perhaps advertising Fedora more widely so
more people are exposed to our brand more often? Perhaps something
else?

John

[Danishka Navin]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:06 AM, inode0  wrote:
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Ankur Sinha 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 08:08 -0300, Davi Garcia wrote:
> > > > Just a little reminder, Fedora was around BEFORE Facebook. If there is
> > > > anyone who should change their logo, it's Facebook, not us.
> > >
> > > I definitely agree with that.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I see no reason at all to change our logo. It's perfect the way it is.
>
> If it is confused with other logos from a similar product space then
> it isn't perfect. It may well be no fault of the logo but it is a
> problem.
> > If someone thought it was a Facebook plug-in.. well...
>
> If a lot of someones think it is related to Facebook then it is a
> problem worth thinking about before it gets completely out of control.
> We have seen other hints that this confusion exists in the past as
> well.
>
> Admitting we have a brand problem which seems to be related to some
> similar aspects that exist in our logo and in Facebook's logo doesn't
> mean we need to abandon our logo. Are there other ways available to us
> to mitigate this confusion? Perhaps advertising Fedora more widely so
> more people are exposed to our brand more often? Perhaps something
> else?

it would be great if we could identify the region/location of those people.
but there is no such information i guess.

I think we should increase our presence in the social media specially in
Facebook itself.
> John
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[Ruth Suehle]

On 05/08/2012 02:48 PM, Danishka Navin wrote:
> I think we should increase our presence in the social media specially
> in Facebook itself

Speaking of which, who owns
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782? The image has
a serious logo-squishing problem.

[Buddhike Kurera]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Ruth Suehle  wrote:
> On 05/08/2012 02:48 PM, Danishka Navin wrote:
> > I think we should increase our presence in the social media specially
> > in Facebook itself
>
> Speaking of which, who owns
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782? The image has
> a serious logo-squishing problem.

Change of logo -10000
Increase brand awareness +1

Further the Facebook page, 'Fedora Project" but it should "The Fedora
Project", logo is not properly used too.

[Robert 'Bob' Jensen]

----- "Danishka Navin"  wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:06 AM, inode0 < [e-mail] > wrote:
>
> If it is confused with other logos from a similar product space then
> it isn't perfect. It may well be no fault of the logo but it is a
> problem.
>
> If a lot of someones think it is related to Facebook then it is a
> problem worth thinking about before it gets completely out of control.
> We have seen other hints that this confusion exists in the past as
> well.
>
> Admitting we have a brand problem which seems to be related to some
> similar aspects that exist in our logo and in Facebook's logo doesn't
> mean we need to abandon our logo. Are there other ways available to us
> to mitigate this confusion? Perhaps advertising Fedora more widely so
> more people are exposed to our brand more often? Perhaps something
> else?
>
> it would be great if we could identify the region/location of those
> people.
> but there is no such information i guess.
>
> I think we should increase our presence in the social media specially
> in Facebook itself.

Maybe it's something that Red Hat legal should have handled years ago and didn't?

-- Bob

[Aks]

On 05/09/2012 03:16 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
> ----- "Danishka Navin"  wrote:
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:06 AM, inode0 < [e-mail] > wrote:
> >
> > If it is confused with other logos from a similar product space then
> > it isn't perfect. It may well be no fault of the logo but it is a
> > problem.
> >
> > If a lot of someones think it is related to Facebook then it is a
> > problem worth thinking about before it gets completely out of control.
> > We have seen other hints that this confusion exists in the past as
> > well.
> >
> > Admitting we have a brand problem which seems to be related to some
> > similar aspects that exist in our logo and in Facebook's logo doesn't
> > mean we need to abandon our logo. Are there other ways available to us
> > to mitigate this confusion? Perhaps advertising Fedora more widely so
> > more people are exposed to our brand more often? Perhaps something
> > else?
> >
> > it would be great if we could identify the region/location of those
> > people.
> > but there is no such information i guess.
> >
> > I think we should increase our presence in the social media specially
> > in Facebook itself.
>
> Maybe it's something that Red Hat legal should have handled years ago and didn't?
>
> -- Bob

Fedora Logo has a long established base, and changing the logo would not
be a good decision in my opinion.

[Kévin Raymond]

> > Hi
> >
> > Serious question; Should the Fedora logo be changed?
>
> No!
> Seriously why we should change our logo for few people (it was just a
> sample)

Firstly, our logo is the original one, Facebook have been inspirated
by our brillant design!
Secondly, our objectives are not to gather everypeople around one Free
Operating System, but to gather contributors… In every domains, yes.
> I have never heard such thing from my community.

I have.
You can read an old thread on the ambassador mailing list:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-May/014452.html

If someone has to change his logo, we won't.

[Mark Terranova]

Greetings Fedorans, this whole logo thing has been going on for a while. I
use it to my advantage and as part of my Linux advocacy. I have a Fedora
sticker in front of *acebook*.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/105095769731159704550/posts/ivTqyEAKEbS <<<pic
All I need is for folks to come up and ask me whats the deal with that?
Next thing ya know, I am telling them about Linux, Fedora, and the Beefy
Miracle.

Sense of humor is key here. If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Then
maybe put some booze in it, and share it with others. At this point, you
and your new friends can talk about the bastard that thought it was a good
idea to give you lemons.

-Mark
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Kévin Raymond wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Serious question; Should the Fedora logo be changed?
> >
> > No!
> > Seriously why we should change our logo for few people (it was just a
> > sample)
>
> Firstly, our logo is the original one, Facebook have been inspirated
> by our brillant design!
> Secondly, our objectives are not to gather everypeople around one Free
> Operating System, but to gather contributors… In every domains, yes.
> > I have never heard such thing from my community.
>
> I have.
> You can read an old thread on the ambassador mailing list:
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-May/014452.html
>
> If someone has to change his logo, we won't.
>
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[Robyn Bergeron]

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
> Hi
>
> Serious question; Should the Fedora logo be changed?

It wouldn't just be the logo. It would wind up being the whole branding.

We've spent a LOT of time building this branding up - I think the
effects of diluting the brand  / muddying it with a new one would be
more far more detrimental.
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120507#news
>
> '
> The Fedora website provided fairly positive results. Everyone was able
> to find an appropriate download link for the Fedora ISOs. Likewise,
> people were able to find the documentation to walk them through an
> installation without too much trouble. What I found a bit amusing was
> that almost a third of the participants thought Fedora was some sort of
> Facebook plugin or application instead of a full operating system, due
> to the project's logo. This is one of those things people inside the
> Linux community would probably never consider, but there's a bit of a
> confusion over the brand (apparently) where outsiders are concerned."
>
> Rahul
>
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