fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now

[Markus McLaughlin]

Okay guys, I hear what you say BUT Fedora needs basic tools for photos,
video, voice chats, and burning DVDs that uses already existing CLI tools in
a friendlier GUI.  I was only presenting ideas for sub-projects that don't
need to be rushed but just worked on little by little.  The condensed
version is now at http://linuxglobe.wordpress.com, I have to add the
Conclusion now, there was no room for it.  If anyone like to see the visuals
in full glory, let me know a good free photo hosting service, I can
accommodate in that manner.  Keep talking about ideas, that is what I do all
the time on my blogs...

*Markus McLaughlin
Hudson, MA, USA*

[Máirín Duffy]

Markus McLaughlin wrote:
>  Okay guys, I hear what you say BUT Fedora needs basic tools for
> photos,  
yum install gimp

>  video,  
yum install totem
is kino in the main fedora repos?

>  voice chats,  
yum install ekiga

>  and burning DVDs 
yum install k3b

~m

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

Quoting Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Markus McLaughlin wrote:
>  > video,
>
>  yum install totem
>  is kino in the main fedora repos? 
Yes. Also consider Pitivi as well.

>  > and burning DVDs
>
>  yum install k3b 
Also brasero .
>  
-- 
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Fedora Project contributor
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga

[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

ok, people I got the idea that markus is trying to explain here, fedora as a
Linux distro, you can install almost anything you want, BUT its not native
from it, the big thing about MAC stuff is that all aplications come with the
OS, ALL of it, and it is still a nice OS, becose its well done, the idea
that markus is presenting to us, is to compete with the proprietary software
for equal to equal, have the same thing they have, just better and free..

I, personally just LOVED the idea of FedoraLife, although I'd like to
discuss the name, but the project itself is a VERY GOOD idea, and if we can
do this, and keep a clean, fast and powerfull compilation, fedora can really
beat a LOT of other linux distros and maybe compete with MAC OS X, lets not
forget that almost every MAC OS X user, uses it, becose they want something
simple that can solve their problems, and these are the numbers missing on
our user count :)

c'mon people let's not be stuburn and make this thing go rigth up!


On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga <
luya_tfz(a)thefinalzone.com&gt; wrote:

>  Quoting Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > Markus McLaughlin wrote:
>  > > video,
>  >
>  > yum install totem
>  > is kino in the main fedora repos?
>  Yes. Also consider Pitivi as well.
>
>  > > and burning DVDs
>  >
>  > yum install k3b
>  Also brasero .
>  >
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[Máirín Duffy]

Lucas Saboya wrote:
>  ok, people I got the idea that markus is trying to explain here,
> fedora 
>  as a Linux distro, you can install almost anything you want, BUT its not 
>  native from it, 
Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of EVERY 
SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They call it the 
"Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 DVDs or 23 CDs.

>  the big thing about MAC stuff is that all aplications 
>  come with the OS, ALL of it, and it is still a nice OS, becose its well 
>  done, the idea that markus is presenting to us, is to compete with the 
>  proprietary software for equal to equal, have the same thing they have, 
>  just better and free.. 
I really doubt OS X has applications that do all of the things a 4 DVD / 
23 CD set of media for Fedora would have.
>  
>  I, personally just LOVED the idea of FedoraLife, although I'd like to 
>  discuss the name, but the project itself is a VERY GOOD idea, and if we 
>  can do this, and keep a clean, fast and powerfull compilation, fedora 
>  can really beat a LOT of other linux distros and maybe compete with MAC 
>  OS X, lets not forget that almost every MAC OS X user, uses it, becose 
>  they want something simple that can solve their problems, and these are 
>  the numbers missing on our user count :) 
So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the point 
to ship everything in the initial install?

What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear to me.
>  
>  c'mon people let's not be stuburn and make this thing go rigth up! 
Ready to roll up your sleeves?

~m

[RazGriz]

+1 Máirín

[Jef Spaleta]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  is kino in the main fedora repos? 
Very very short story:
kino makes use of ffmpeg for some things so as things stand kino can't
really come in to Fedora. Pitivi is what we can ship as an editor. I
am not aware of anything else that makes use of gstreamer in the way
we need an application to do so we can ship it as a video editor.

Somewhat short story:
I've looked at kino a lot in the past few months, even before the
fedoratv concept was made public I was looking at the available video
editting toolset and took a real hard look at if kino could be
included in Fedora..even if it was a crippled kino to get around the
ffmpeg requirement. I don't think it would be worth doing... unless we
can ship a version of ffmpeg that had the forbidden capabilities
stripped out.

Long story:
Kino is an interesting case. The way it leverages ffmpeg is as a
helper and if we could include a less capable version of ffmpeg tools
and libraries..even if they were renamed.. we could ship a functional
kino in a way that additional functionality would be re-enabled as
soon as a more functional ffmpeg was made available on a client
system.  FFmpeg has a crap load of things it does well, beyond the
forbidden codec support and kino makes use of those abilities to
encode different quality of theora.  I found a way to replace ffmpeg
with gst to export theora, though with less video quality options like
interlacing.  It was enough as a start.
But Kino also makes use of ffmpeg to import source material that is
not raw dv.  I couldn't find a way to use gstreamer to do what kino
needed to import theora as source material.  If someone can figure
that part out, then we have the ability to ship a useful kino that can
mix theora and raw dv together as source material and then export
theora.

The problem is, I don't think we can easily ship a cutdown ffmpeg
without some major surgery. I don't think we can just set some compile
time flags produce binaries with the forbidden capabilities disabled.
I dont think all the capabilities that are problematic have compile
time switches.  And I'm not even sure that would suffice from a legal
standpoint. If we had to patch out the capabilities from the source we
distributed that would be even harder, I'm not sure all the
capabilities are delineated clearly.  In either case there would have
to be a comprehensive code review of ffmpeg by someone who understood
where the legal line was and had the ability to patch out the code.
The only person I can think of to do that, is spot. And I haven't
asked him to do it, because I think his finite time is better used on
other things.

Summary:
So right now.. pitivi is the best thing we have access to that we can
ship as a video editor to produce theora videos. It can mix theora and
raw dv as source material. And talking to J5 it seems that there is a
pitivi Google SoC project this summer so we might see a ramp up in its
stability and featureset. If I were going to burn whatever remaining
street cred I have in the Fedora community on getting an application
polished up.. it would be on pitivi.  I'm hoping that if we start
pumping out videos,even crappy videos, I'll be able to generate enough
interest in our userbase and I'll be able to find people in our
community with enough technical ability to engage pitivi upstream and
help them stablize pitivi and grow its plugin capability.  Because I
certainly can't do it. But I'll get on my soapbox and sing the praises
of the people who can and do.

-jef

[Nicu Buculei]

Markus McLaughlin wrote:
>  Okay guys, I hear what you say BUT Fedora needs basic tools for
> photos, 
>  video, voice chats, and burning DVDs that uses already existing CLI 
>  tools in a friendlier GUI.  I was only presenting ideas for sub-projects  
So when are you going to show us some code?


>  that don't need to be rushed but just worked on little by little.
>  The 
>  condensed version is now at http://linuxglobe.wordpress.com, I have to 
>  add the Conclusion now, there was no room for it.  If anyone like to see 
>  the visuals in full glory, let me know a good free photo hosting 
>  service, I can accommodate in that manner.  Keep talking about ideas, 
>  that is what I do all the time on my blogs... 
-- 
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Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro

[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

>  Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of EVERY
>  SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They call it the
>  "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 DVDs or 23 CDs.
>  
Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of
data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to
edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ?

I really doubt OS X has applications that do all of the things a 4 DVD / 23
>  CD set of media for Fedora would have. 
No, it really doesn't and this is what kepp MAC OS X so clean, and
functional


So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the point to
>  ship everything in the initial install?
>  What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear to me. 
The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not everything
but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that uses a PC
just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our own
version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to do,
thing like common users ?:)

Ready to roll up your sleeves?
>  
 Thats what I'm doing right now :)

So when are you going to show us some code?
>  
let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the
fedora developer
list, its the MARKETING one :)
this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to
compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean
and functional instalation.

[Nicu Buculei]

Lucas Saboya wrote:
>      Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of
>      EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They
>      call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4
>      DVDs or 23 CDs.
>  
>  Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of 
>  data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only 
>  wants to edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ? 
That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to 
produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he 
think is useful.
If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users, 
then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even 
more useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors.
The trick is to produce a spin which is useful.

>      So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is
> the
>      point to ship everything in the initial install?
>      What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear
>      to me.
>  
>  The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not 
>  everything but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users 
>  that uses a PC just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily 
>  compile our own version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is 
>  that so hard to do, thing like common users ?:) 
It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users" 
need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need 
video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and 
that such applications are needed by a niche ("creative").

>      Ready to roll up your sleeves?
>  
>   Thats what I'm doing right now :)
>  
>      So when are you going to show us some code?
>  
>  let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora 
>  developer list, its the MARKETING one :)
>  this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to 
>  compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a 
>  clean and functional instalation. 
The first step is to produce something like this: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Pa...

And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the 
spin is only a matter of clicks.

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Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro

[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

ok, so lets go modelling the stuff?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;
wrote:

>  Lucas Saboya wrote:
>
> >    Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of
> >    EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They
> >    call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4
> >    DVDs or 23 CDs.
> >
> > Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of
> > data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to
> > edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ?
> >
>
>  That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to
>  produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he think
>  is useful.
>  If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users,
>  then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more
>  useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors.
>  The trick is to produce a spin which is useful.
>
>      So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the
> >    point to ship everything in the initial install?
> >    What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear
> >    to me.
> >
> > The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not everything
> > but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that uses a PC
> > just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our own
> > version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to do,
> > thing like common users ?:)
> >
>
>  It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users"
>  need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need
>  video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and that
>  such applications are needed by a niche ("creative").
>
>      Ready to roll up your sleeves?
> >
> >  Thats what I'm doing right now :)
> >
> >    So when are you going to show us some code?
> >
> > let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora developer
> > list, its the MARKETING one :)
> > this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to
> > compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean
> > and functional instalation.
> >
>
>  The first step is to produce something like this:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Pa...
>
>  And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the spin
>  is only a matter of clicks.
>
>
>  --
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>  Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
>  Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
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[rafaelliu]

tFrom what I get Markus is suggesting a "bundled" Fedora which would have
all common and cool apps, so users don't have to search/install them.

I think a much reasonable approach would be to give users profiles, but much
more focused than the package selector we have upon installation. I see this
idea in Ubuntu with its flavors (Studio, Home Server, etc) and Debian with
that primitive selector (Server, Notebook, etc).

There could be profiles such as Media Workstation, Developer Workstation,
Server, Home User, etc. Those would just select appropriate packages in the
already existent package selector in Anaconda.

2008/6/13 Lucas Saboya <lucas(a)cefetce.br&gt;:

>  ok, so lets go modelling the stuff?
>
>  On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> >  Lucas Saboya wrote:
> >
> >>    Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of
> >>    EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They
> >>    call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4
> >>    DVDs or 23 CDs.
> >>
> >> Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of
> >> data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to
> >> edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ?
> >>
> >
> > That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to
> > produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he
> think
> > is useful.
> > If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users,
> > then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more
> > useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors.
> > The trick is to produce a spin which is useful.
> >
> >     So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the
> >>    point to ship everything in the initial install?
> >>    What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear
> >>    to me.
> >>
> >> The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not everything
> >> but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that uses a PC
> >> just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our own
> >> version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to do,
> >> thing like common users ?:)
> >>
> >
> > It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users"
> > need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need
> > video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and that
> > such applications are needed by a niche ("creative").
> >
> >     Ready to roll up your sleeves?
> >>
> >>  Thats what I'm doing right now :)
> >>
> >>    So when are you going to show us some code?
> >>
> >> let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora developer
> >> list, its the MARKETING one :)
> >> this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to
> >> compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean
> >> and functional instalation.
> >>
> >
> > The first step is to produce something like this:
> >
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Pa...
> >
> > And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the
> > spin is only a matter of clicks.
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
> > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
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[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

Good point rafael, I think we can start asking people who uses PCs not for
living what they think its usefull to a OS and start compiling a database
with this information :) who's with me ? :D

2008/6/13 rafael liu <rafaelliu(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  tFrom what I get Markus is suggesting a "bundled" Fedora
> which would have
>  all common and cool apps, so users don't have to search/install them.
>
>  I think a much reasonable approach would be to give users profiles, but
>  much more focused than the package selector we have upon installation. I see
>  this idea in Ubuntu with its flavors (Studio, Home Server, etc) and Debian
>  with that primitive selector (Server, Notebook, etc).
>
>  There could be profiles such as Media Workstation, Developer Workstation,
>  Server, Home User, etc. Those would just select appropriate packages in the
>  already existent package selector in Anaconda.
>
>  2008/6/13 Lucas Saboya <lucas(a)cefetce.br&gt;:
>
> > ok, so lets go modelling the stuff?
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;
> > wrote:
> >
> >>  Lucas Saboya wrote:
> >>
> >>>    Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of
> >>>    EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They
> >>>    call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is
> 4
> >>>    DVDs or 23 CDs.
> >>>
> >>> Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of
> >>> data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to
> >>> edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to
> >> produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he
> think
> >> is useful.
> >> If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users,
> >> then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more
> >> useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors.
> >> The trick is to produce a spin which is useful.
> >>
> >>     So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the
> >>>    point to ship everything in the initial install?
> >>>    What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear
> >>>    to me.
> >>>
> >>> The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not
> >>> everything but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that
> >>> uses a PC just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our
> >>> own version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to
> >>> do, thing like common users ?:)
> >>>
> >>
> >> It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common
> users"
> >> need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need
> >> video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and
> that
> >> such applications are needed by a niche ("creative").
> >>
> >>     Ready to roll up your sleeves?
> >>>
> >>>  Thats what I'm doing right now :)
> >>>
> >>>    So when are you going to show us some code?
> >>>
> >>> let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora
> >>> developer list, its the MARKETING one :)
> >>> this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to
> >>> compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean
> >>> and functional instalation.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The first step is to produce something like this:
> >>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Pa...
> >>
> >> And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the
> >> spin is only a matter of clicks.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
> >> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
> >> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
> >> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro
> >>
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[rafaelliu]

+1 Lucas

I don't know whether it would be useful but there could be something like
smolt to packages installed. I say it may not be useful because not always
people configure the system the way they like the first time, or maybe they
don't know what they like, and maybe a lot of trash could get counted in the
statistics.

This work could start from the community as we already have very distinct
profiles and people would be more careful/thoughtful towards our effort.

2008/6/14 Lucas Saboya <lucas(a)cefetce.br&gt;:

>  Good point rafael, I think we can start asking people who uses PCs
> not for
>  living what they think its usefull to a OS and start compiling a database
>  with this information :) who's with me ? :D
>
>  2008/6/13 rafael liu <rafaelliu(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>
>  tFrom what I get Markus is suggesting a "bundled" Fedora which would have
> > all common and cool apps, so users don't have to search/install them.
> >
> > I think a much reasonable approach would be to give users profiles, but
> > much more focused than the package selector we have upon installation. I see
> > this idea in Ubuntu with its flavors (Studio, Home Server, etc) and Debian
> > with that primitive selector (Server, Notebook, etc).
> >
> > There could be profiles such as Media Workstation, Developer Workstation,
> > Server, Home User, etc. Those would just select appropriate packages in the
> > already existent package selector in Anaconda.
> >
> > 2008/6/13 Lucas Saboya <lucas(a)cefetce.br&gt;:
> >
> >> ok, so lets go modelling the stuff?
> >>
> >>  On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Lucas Saboya wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of
> >>>>    EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They
> >>>>    call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is...
> it is 4
> >>>>    DVDs or 23 CDs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount
> >>>> of data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only
> wants
> >>>> to edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to
> >>> produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever
> he think
> >>> is useful.
> >>> If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users,
> >>> then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more
> >>> useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors.
> >>> The trick is to produce a spin which is useful.
> >>>
> >>>     So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the
> >>>>    point to ship everything in the initial install?
> >>>>    What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear
> >>>>    to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not
> >>>> everything but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users
> that
> >>>> uses a PC just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile
> our
> >>>> own version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard
> to
> >>>> do, thing like common users ?:)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common
> users"
> >>> need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need
> >>> video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread)
> and that
> >>> such applications are needed by a niche ("creative").
> >>>
> >>>     Ready to roll up your sleeves?
> >>>>
> >>>>  Thats what I'm doing right now :)
> >>>>
> >>>>    So when are you going to show us some code?
> >>>>
> >>>> let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora
> >>>> developer list, its the MARKETING one :)
> >>>> this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email
> is
> >>>> to compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a
> clean
> >>>> and functional instalation.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The first step is to produce something like this:
> >>>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Pa...
> >>>
> >>> And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the
> >>> spin is only a matter of clicks.
> >>>
> >>>
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