12:44 p.m.
Hi
What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview
in the release notes
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp
the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core
5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic
finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so
for the Fedora Core 5 Launch.
Anyone wants to take a grab at this?
--
Rahul
12:56 p.m.
Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to
support Flash out of the box, isn't it?
a
On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hi
What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview
in the release notes
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp
the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core
5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic
finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so
for the Fedora Core 5 Launch.
Anyone wants to take a grab at this?
--
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1:26 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting non-fedora
users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a
lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing
something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora.
Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir.
--jeremy
On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Alex Maier wrote:
>Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to
>support Flash out of the box, isn't it?
>a
>
>
No it doesnt and it cant. The screencasting document explains why.
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1:30 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
Jeremy Hogan wrote:
We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting
non-fedora
users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a
lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing
something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora.
Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir.
--jeremy
Use byzanz and produce a animated GIF. That should be viewable in any
operating system out of the box. Ogg codecs play well in WinAmp 5+ in
Windows and Direct codecs for Windows Media player and others are
available at http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/
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1:32 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
On 3/1/06, Jeremy Hogan <jeremy.hogan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting
non-fedora
users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a
lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing
something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora.
Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir.
+1
my reasoning exactly
Why animated GIF is less preferable: quality loss in images will be
huge, and no sound can be integrated. And yes, did I mention that this
animation will not be in any way interactive?
a
1:34 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
Alex Maier wrote:
On 3/1/06, Jeremy Hogan <jeremy.hogan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>We should still consider a Flash version. We are also targetting non-fedora
>users and Flash is on 98% of machines. Ogg theora limits the reach quite a
>lot, in fact nearly all of the folks able to view it without installing
>something new are folks already on Linux, and perhaps Fedora.
>
>Otherwise this becomes a Fedora tour of Fedora's navel for the Fedora choir.
>
>
+1
my reasoning exactly
Why animated GIF is less preferable: quality loss in images will be
huge, and no sound can be integrated. And yes, did I mention that this
animation will not be in any way interactive?
a
Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or
GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it?
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2:01 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora
or
GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it?
I think we are in process of looking for a volunteer...
Anyone?
If /me were technical enough and had the right tools, I'd take a crack
at it, but sorry I can't oblige here.
a
2:04 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or
GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it?
I'm happy to convert the Oggs as they are completed. That way it's
consistent and there's always an Ogg before or even if there's a Flash. It's
much harder to go from flv/swf > ogg than ogg> flv/swf anyway.
--jeremy
2:07 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
Jeremy Hogan wrote:
On 3/1/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or
>GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it?
>
>
I'm happy to convert the Oggs as they are completed. That way it's
consistent and there's always an Ogg before or even if there's a Flash. It's
much harder to go from flv/swf > ogg than ogg> flv/swf anyway.
--jeremy
What is the procedure to do such conversions? Can you document these
steps or refer to links so that more than one person can work on these
as a team?
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2:13 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I'm happy to convert the Oggs as they are completed. That way
it's
> consistent and there's always an Ogg before or even if there's a
> Flash. It's
> much harder to go from flv/swf > ogg than ogg> flv/swf anyway.
>
> --jeremy
>
>
What is the procedure to do such conversions? Can you document these
steps or refer to links so that more than one person can work on these
as a team?
and there are several Ogg theora movies which can act as guinea pigs and
might benefit from a Flash alternative.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx
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5:08 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:04:18 0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or
GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it?
This bring me another point.
Since we're *primary* targeting Windows users, is it acceptable to produce video
format
for windows users?
For example, I've been using VMWare workstation to capture videos in AVI format.
I have no problem converting to OGG format for Linux users but it would be also
beneficial if we upload AVI format for Windows users as well.
The only problem I noticed with this video format (VMware video aka VMnc codec), you
might need to install "VMware Movie Decoder Utility" for windows from:
http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/
Regards,
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5:13 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
Thomas Chung wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:04:18 0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
>Ok. If people want to produce flash movies *along* with Ogg theora or
>GIF's then thats acceptable. Who is doing it?
>
>
This bring me another point.
Since we're *primary* targeting Windows users, is it acceptable to produce video
format
for windows users?
It would be nice to have formats or containers such as flash or AVI
targeting Windows users as long as there are alternative media which
plays out of the box in Fedora and is producible using a Fedora toolchain.
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Rahul
5:52 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:43:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
It would be nice to have formats or containers such as flash or AVI
targeting Windows users as long as there are alternative media which
plays out of the box in Fedora and is producible using a Fedora toolchain.
Excellet,
I'll upload the original AVI format as well. :)
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12:59 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview
in the release notes
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp
the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core
5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic
finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so
for the Fedora Core 5 Launch.
Anyone wants to take a grab at this?
Isn't istanbul broken right now due to the change to gstreamer10?
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1:14 p.m.
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>Hi
>
>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview
>in the release notes
>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp
>the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core
>5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic
>finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so
>for the Fedora Core 5 Launch.
>
>Anyone wants to take a grab at this?
>
>
Isn't istanbul broken right now due to the change to gstreamer10?
Byzanz which is also part of Fedora Extras is available and it can be
used instead to produce a animated GIF file instead of a OGG theora
movie. Check the reference in the screencasting document above.
--
Rahul
5:40 p.m.
On 3/1/06, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't istanbul broken right now due to the change to gstreamer10?
the important functionality which istanbul accomplishes can be done
via the cmdline with gstreamer cmdline tools if there is a need as
long as you have the gst 0.8.12 on your system.
gst 0.8.12 is finally available in fc4 updates-testing so don't even
technically need anything from core-development or extras to
get-er-done on fc4. You can use gst-launch and build a shell
scriptable command to do the screen capture to a raw file.. then
another gst-launch command to re-encode it to ogg... mimicing what
istanbul wraps into UI gloss. For development/FC5, the gst08 cmdline
tools will most likely be back into Extras in time for fc5 release,
even if istanbul doesn't get rebuilt in time.
Oh and if you are really really clever.. you can do a gst-launch
command that records audio at the same time as its capturing the
screen.. something istanbul doesn't do yet.
-jef
1:41 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview
in the release notes
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp
the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core
5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic
finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so
for the Fedora Core 5 Launch.
Anyone wants to take a grab at this?
Remember that when creating such items we should be following the
documentation guidelines for things like screen shots and captures. I
heard on the Wiki Tour there were some screen shots that had items on
the desktop that did not follow these, something about a gdesklets
weather applet I have not checked it out yet.
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2:19 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5)
We got this bug filed against the Tour:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250
The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core.
Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing
an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a
loss of credibility in our tour.
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2:22 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
Karsten Wade wrote:
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>Hi
>
>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5)
>
>
We got this bug filed against the Tour:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250
The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core.
Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing
an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a
loss of credibility in our tour.
If we have guidelines on this written down already, then link to it from
the tours page for reference. I only used a default desktop for the
screenshots I uploaded but others might not have followed the same rules.
--
Rahul
4:14 p.m.
Karsten Wade (kwade(a)redhat.com) said:
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
> What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5)
We got this bug filed against the Tour:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250
Well, alternatively, you could frame it as the 'Fedora Tour',
and include other Fedora software that way.
Bill
4:17 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour
Bill Nottingham wrote:
Karsten Wade (kwade(a)redhat.com) said:
>On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>
>>Hi
>>
>>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos
>>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5)
>>
>>
>We got this bug filed against the Tour:
>
>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250
>
>
Well, alternatively, you could frame it as the 'Fedora Tour',
and include other Fedora software that way.
Bill
Ya but we want two different things. A general Fedora tour for everyone
and a release specific tour for users who want to know what has changed.
The latter can be thought of a more non technical version of the release
notes.
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