Talking Points SOP: status update, next steps

[Robyn Bergeron]

In the marketing meeting / post-meeting SOP discussion last week, the
timeline was decided of putting out a "call for participation" on the
Talking Points on either Friday or Monday.  Since it is now Monday,
we need to do it today :) Which means we need to (1) finalize the SOP,
(2) send out the email to the appropriate lists.

Ryan Rix and I worked up the Talking Points SOP this evening /
morning.  A (very) rough draft is up at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP.  (We were both
pretty tired but decided to knock out a first go at it; there is
probably some good content missing from what we discussed in last
week's marketing meeting, and post-marketing-meeting Talking Points
SOP discussion. Eyeballs! Feedback! Please!)

If anyone is around in the morning (7am Pacific, 10am Eastern, ish) -
I will be online finishing the editing on the SOP and sending out the
email CFP on F13 Talking Points. If anyone wants to hop on and help,
that would be AWESOME - or feel free to contribute on the wiki page if
you get to it before I do.  One thing I would like to add to the SOP
(since I just thought of it 3 seconds ago!) is the content of the
email to be sent out requesting participation in Talking Points
development. If someone would like to jump in and do that, that would
be great.

Finally, the other thing discussed in the marketing meeting was that
we should pre-populate the F13 Talking Points page with some items as
a point to start from.  A number of community members have already
jumped in and done some filling in the blanks there, so I think we
have a sufficient starting point to go from - but feel free to jump in
and add anything that is missing.  The F13 Talking Points page is at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points.

David Ramsey did an awesome job filling in some of the proposed
Talking Points, and Ryan mailed him earlier this evening / morning to
see if he would be interested in talking with us about how / why he
picked his proposed Talking Points, so we can add some of that
information to the SOP.  I don't think this part of the SOP
necessarily needs to be finished prior to us requesting Talking Point
proposals, but I think it would be insightful to other community
members.  David said he'd be happy to talk with us about it, so I'd
just like to say,  THANKS DAVID! - and hopefully we can synchronize on
that soon.

Cheers!

-Robyn

PS. For reference: Meetbot log of further discussion on Talking Point
SOP that occurred post-marketing-meeting:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-02-09/fedora-mktg.2010-...

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 02:53:11AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>  In the marketing meeting / post-meeting SOP discussion last week,
> the
>  timeline was decided of putting out a "call for participation" on the
>  Talking Points on either Friday or Monday.  Since it is now Monday,
>  we need to do it today :) Which means we need to (1) finalize the SOP,
>  (2) send out the email to the appropriate lists.
>  
>  Ryan Rix and I worked up the Talking Points SOP this evening /
>  morning.  A (very) rough draft is up at
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP.  (We were both
>  pretty tired but decided to knock out a first go at it; there is
>  probably some good content missing from what we discussed in last
>  week's marketing meeting, and post-marketing-meeting Talking Points
>  SOP discussion. Eyeballs! Feedback! Please!)
>  
>  If anyone is around in the morning (7am Pacific, 10am Eastern, ish) -
>  I will be online finishing the editing on the SOP and sending out the
>  email CFP on F13 Talking Points. If anyone wants to hop on and help,
>  that would be AWESOME - or feel free to contribute on the wiki page if
>  you get to it before I do.  One thing I would like to add to the SOP
>  (since I just thought of it 3 seconds ago!) is the content of the
>  email to be sent out requesting participation in Talking Points
>  development. If someone would like to jump in and do that, that would
>  be great. 
The page looks great.  I think you can also find some helpful
information on the [[Category:Talking Points]] page that will help
fill in "how to choose points."  In fact, I'd be in favor of removing
a bunch of that material from the Category page, and just linking back
to the [[Talking points SOP]], to avoid duplication of content (and
confusion about where the governing stuff is).

>  Finally, the other thing discussed in the marketing meeting was that
>  we should pre-populate the F13 Talking Points page with some items as
>  a point to start from.  A number of community members have already
>  jumped in and done some filling in the blanks there, so I think we
>  have a sufficient starting point to go from - but feel free to jump in
>  and add anything that is missing.  The F13 Talking Points page is at
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points.
>  
>  David Ramsey did an awesome job filling in some of the proposed
>  Talking Points, and Ryan mailed him earlier this evening / morning to
>  see if he would be interested in talking with us about how / why he
>  picked his proposed Talking Points, so we can add some of that
>  information to the SOP.  I don't think this part of the SOP
>  necessarily needs to be finished prior to us requesting Talking Point
>  proposals, but I think it would be insightful to other community
>  members.  David said he'd be happy to talk with us about it, so I'd
>  just like to say,  THANKS DAVID! - and hopefully we can synchronize on
>  that soon. 
I have some changes I'd like to propose to the talking points that are
on the page now, should I just edit the wiki?

Desktop users/everyone:

* I'd include the state of free video drivers (esp. start of 3D
  support in nouveau) here.  That's a huge story that we need to drive
  home, because so many people say that 3D support is what keeps them
  on a proprietary NVidia driver.

* The new user account dialog is a big step forward in usability and
  deserves some love.  I'd combine this with color management and
  NetworkManager upgrades as "general desktop improvements."

Sysadmins:

* What about Zarafa being available, which is the first complete
  groupware (mail/calendar/etc.) solution available in Fedora?

* NFS features need to be combined.

* I'd advocate for removing the SSSD listing because of the difficulty
  of explaining the impact to a lay press reader, and because this
  change will not affect many people.

* NFS and the btrfs rollback feature need to be explained in simple
  terms, or else dropped off the list.

Developers:

* IntelliJ IDEA and NetBeans could be combined as general "You can
  find this package in Fedora 13" features.

* The Python 3 feature should be expanded to include the better Python
  debugging features in Fedora 13, which will affect many devs using
  both Python 2.6.x and Python 3.

Finally, I think we discussed reserving a section in the talking
points for new spins.  This time around we're premiering the Fedora
Moblin(tm) Desktop Edition and Sugar on a Stick.

-- 
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[Robyn Bergeron]

Feel free to wiki-fy as you please.  I'll be online in a bit; trying
to get my body to convert caffeine into energy first :)

-robyn



On 2/15/10, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 02:53:11AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> > In the marketing meeting / post-meeting SOP discussion last week, the
> > timeline was decided of putting out a "call for participation" on the
> > Talking Points on either Friday or Monday.  Since it is now Monday,
> > we need to do it today :) Which means we need to (1) finalize the SOP,
> > (2) send out the email to the appropriate lists.
> >
> > Ryan Rix and I worked up the Talking Points SOP this evening /
> > morning.  A (very) rough draft is up at
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP.  (We were both
> > pretty tired but decided to knock out a first go at it; there is
> > probably some good content missing from what we discussed in last
> > week's marketing meeting, and post-marketing-meeting Talking Points
> > SOP discussion. Eyeballs! Feedback! Please!)
> >
> > If anyone is around in the morning (7am Pacific, 10am Eastern, ish) -
> > I will be online finishing the editing on the SOP and sending out the
> > email CFP on F13 Talking Points. If anyone wants to hop on and help,
> > that would be AWESOME - or feel free to contribute on the wiki page if
> > you get to it before I do.  One thing I would like to add to the SOP
> > (since I just thought of it 3 seconds ago!) is the content of the
> > email to be sent out requesting participation in Talking Points
> > development. If someone would like to jump in and do that, that would
> > be great.
>
>  The page looks great.  I think you can also find some helpful
>  information on the [[Category:Talking Points]] page that will help
>  fill in "how to choose points."  In fact, I'd be in favor of removing
>  a bunch of that material from the Category page, and just linking back
>  to the [[Talking points SOP]], to avoid duplication of content (and
>  confusion about where the governing stuff is).
>
> > Finally, the other thing discussed in the marketing meeting was that
> > we should pre-populate the F13 Talking Points page with some items as
> > a point to start from.  A number of community members have already
> > jumped in and done some filling in the blanks there, so I think we
> > have a sufficient starting point to go from - but feel free to jump in
> > and add anything that is missing.  The F13 Talking Points page is at
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points.
> >
> > David Ramsey did an awesome job filling in some of the proposed
> > Talking Points, and Ryan mailed him earlier this evening / morning to
> > see if he would be interested in talking with us about how / why he
> > picked his proposed Talking Points, so we can add some of that
> > information to the SOP.  I don't think this part of the SOP
> > necessarily needs to be finished prior to us requesting Talking Point
> > proposals, but I think it would be insightful to other community
> > members.  David said he'd be happy to talk with us about it, so I'd
> > just like to say,  THANKS DAVID! - and hopefully we can synchronize on
> > that soon.
>
>  I have some changes I'd like to propose to the talking points that are
>  on the page now, should I just edit the wiki?
>
>  Desktop users/everyone:
>
>  * I'd include the state of free video drivers (esp. start of 3D
>    support in nouveau) here.  That's a huge story that we need to drive
>    home, because so many people say that 3D support is what keeps them
>    on a proprietary NVidia driver.
>
>  * The new user account dialog is a big step forward in usability and
>    deserves some love.  I'd combine this with color management and
>    NetworkManager upgrades as "general desktop improvements."
>
>  Sysadmins:
>
>  * What about Zarafa being available, which is the first complete
>    groupware (mail/calendar/etc.) solution available in Fedora?
>
>  * NFS features need to be combined.
>
>  * I'd advocate for removing the SSSD listing because of the difficulty
>    of explaining the impact to a lay press reader, and because this
>    change will not affect many people.
>
>  * NFS and the btrfs rollback feature need to be explained in simple
>    terms, or else dropped off the list.
>
>  Developers:
>
>  * IntelliJ IDEA and NetBeans could be combined as general "You can
>    find this package in Fedora 13" features.
>
>  * The Python 3 feature should be expanded to include the better Python
>    debugging features in Fedora 13, which will affect many devs using
>    both Python 2.6.x and Python 3.
>
>  Finally, I think we discussed reserving a section in the talking
>  points for new spins.  This time around we're premiering the Fedora
>  Moblin(tm) Desktop Edition and Sugar on a Stick.
>
>  --
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[Robyn Bergeron]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 02:53:11AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> > In the marketing meeting / post-meeting SOP discussion last week, the
> > timeline was decided of putting out a "call for participation" on the
> > Talking Points on either Friday or Monday.  Since it is now Monday,
> > we need to do it today :) Which means we need to (1) finalize the SOP,
> > (2) send out the email to the appropriate lists.
> >
> > Ryan Rix and I worked up the Talking Points SOP this evening /
> > morning.  A (very) rough draft is up at
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP.  (We were both
> > pretty tired but decided to knock out a first go at it; there is
> > probably some good content missing from what we discussed in last
> > week's marketing meeting, and post-marketing-meeting Talking Points
> > SOP discussion. Eyeballs! Feedback! Please!)
> >
> > If anyone is around in the morning (7am Pacific, 10am Eastern, ish) -
> > I will be online finishing the editing on the SOP and sending out the
> > email CFP on F13 Talking Points. If anyone wants to hop on and help,
> > that would be AWESOME - or feel free to contribute on the wiki page if
> > you get to it before I do.  One thing I would like to add to the SOP
> > (since I just thought of it 3 seconds ago!) is the content of the
> > email to be sent out requesting participation in Talking Points
> > development. If someone would like to jump in and do that, that would
> > be great.
>
>  The page looks great.  I think you can also find some helpful
>  information on the [[Category:Talking Points]] page that will help
>  fill in "how to choose points."  In fact, I'd be in favor of removing
>  a bunch of that material from the Category page, and just linking back
>  to the [[Talking points SOP]], to avoid duplication of content (and
>  confusion about where the governing stuff is). 
WRT the [[Category:Talking Points]] page - I'm going to go ahead and
move some / most of that stuff to the SOP, to get it looking similar
to some of the other Category: pages for marketing deliverables -
[[Category:Release Slogan]], etc.  Basically it will have a
definition, and then a "to find how how this is done, see SOP", with
the various Talking Points pages from current and older releases
listed at the bottom as pages in that category.

> > Finally, the other thing discussed in the marketing meeting was that
> > we should pre-populate the F13 Talking Points page with some items as
> > a point to start from.  A number of community members have already
> > jumped in and done some filling in the blanks there, so I think we
> > have a sufficient starting point to go from - but feel free to jump in
> > and add anything that is missing.  The F13 Talking Points page is at
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points.
> >
> > David Ramsey did an awesome job filling in some of the proposed
> > Talking Points, and Ryan mailed him earlier this evening / morning to
> > see if he would be interested in talking with us about how / why he
> > picked his proposed Talking Points, so we can add some of that
> > information to the SOP.  I don't think this part of the SOP
> > necessarily needs to be finished prior to us requesting Talking Point
> > proposals, but I think it would be insightful to other community
> > members.  David said he'd be happy to talk with us about it, so I'd
> > just like to say,  THANKS DAVID! - and hopefully we can synchronize on
> > that soon.
>
>  I have some changes I'd like to propose to the talking points that are
>  on the page now, should I just edit the wiki?
>
>  Desktop users/everyone:
>
>  * I'd include the state of free video drivers (esp. start of 3D
>   support in nouveau) here.  That's a huge story that we need to drive
>   home, because so many people say that 3D support is what keeps them
>   on a proprietary NVidia driver.
>
>  * The new user account dialog is a big step forward in usability and
>   deserves some love.  I'd combine this with color management and
>   NetworkManager upgrades as "general desktop improvements."
>
>  Sysadmins:
>
>  * What about Zarafa being available, which is the first complete
>   groupware (mail/calendar/etc.) solution available in Fedora?
>
>  * NFS features need to be combined.
>
>  * I'd advocate for removing the SSSD listing because of the difficulty
>   of explaining the impact to a lay press reader, and because this
>   change will not affect many people.
>
>  * NFS and the btrfs rollback feature need to be explained in simple
>   terms, or else dropped off the list.
>
>  Developers:
>
>  * IntelliJ IDEA and NetBeans could be combined as general "You can
>   find this package in Fedora 13" features.
>
>  * The Python 3 feature should be expanded to include the better Python
>   debugging features in Fedora 13, which will affect many devs using
>   both Python 2.6.x and Python 3.
>
>  Finally, I think we discussed reserving a section in the talking
>  points for new spins.  This time around we're premiering the Fedora
>  Moblin(tm) Desktop Edition and Sugar on a Stick.
>
>  --
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>   gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:39:52AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>  On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Paul W. Frields
> <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 02:53:11AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>  >> In the marketing meeting / post-meeting SOP discussion last week, the
>  >> timeline was decided of putting out a "call for participation" on the
>  >> Talking Points on either Friday or Monday.  Since it is now Monday,
>  >> we need to do it today :) Which means we need to (1) finalize the SOP,
>  >> (2) send out the email to the appropriate lists.
>  >>
>  >> Ryan Rix and I worked up the Talking Points SOP this evening /
>  >> morning.  A (very) rough draft is up at
>  >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP.  (We were both
>  >> pretty tired but decided to knock out a first go at it; there is
>  >> probably some good content missing from what we discussed in last
>  >> week's marketing meeting, and post-marketing-meeting Talking Points
>  >> SOP discussion. Eyeballs! Feedback! Please!)
>  >>
>  >> If anyone is around in the morning (7am Pacific, 10am Eastern, ish) -
>  >> I will be online finishing the editing on the SOP and sending out the
>  >> email CFP on F13 Talking Points. If anyone wants to hop on and help,
>  >> that would be AWESOME - or feel free to contribute on the wiki page if
>  >> you get to it before I do.  One thing I would like to add to the SOP
>  >> (since I just thought of it 3 seconds ago!) is the content of the
>  >> email to be sent out requesting participation in Talking Points
>  >> development. If someone would like to jump in and do that, that would
>  >> be great.
>  >
>  > The page looks great.  I think you can also find some helpful
>  > information on the [[Category:Talking Points]] page that will help
>  > fill in "how to choose points."  In fact, I'd be in favor of removing
>  > a bunch of that material from the Category page, and just linking back
>  > to the [[Talking points SOP]], to avoid duplication of content (and
>  > confusion about where the governing stuff is).
>  
>  WRT the [[Category:Talking Points]] page - I'm going to go ahead and
>  move some / most of that stuff to the SOP, to get it looking similar
>  to some of the other Category: pages for marketing deliverables -
>  [[Category:Release Slogan]], etc.  Basically it will have a
>  definition, and then a "to find how how this is done, see SOP", with
>  the various Talking Points pages from current and older releases
>  listed at the bottom as pages in that category. 
Superb!

-- 
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  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
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[Robyn Bergeron]

Status update: Wiki page has been populated with information from
[[Talking points]] category page. Remaining tasks for the wiki page
are listed on [[Talking Points SOP]] in the "page progress" section.

I'm driving for the next 2 hours, will be back online tonight; in the
meantime, anyone who wants to jump in can.

If someone wants to dig up emails that were made in past cycles to
come up with an announcement for help / finalized decision mail
templates, that would be awesome. :)

-Robyn

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:39:52AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 02:53:11AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> > >> In the marketing meeting / post-meeting SOP discussion last week, the
> > >> timeline was decided of putting out a "call for participation" on
> the
> > >> Talking Points on either Friday or Monday.  Since it is now Monday,
> > >> we need to do it today :) Which means we need to (1) finalize the SOP,
> > >> (2) send out the email to the appropriate lists.
> > >>
> > >> Ryan Rix and I worked up the Talking Points SOP this evening /
> > >> morning.  A (very) rough draft is up at
> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP.  (We were both
> > >> pretty tired but decided to knock out a first go at it; there is
> > >> probably some good content missing from what we discussed in last
> > >> week's marketing meeting, and post-marketing-meeting Talking Points
> > >> SOP discussion. Eyeballs! Feedback! Please!)
> > >>
> > >> If anyone is around in the morning (7am Pacific, 10am Eastern, ish) -
> > >> I will be online finishing the editing on the SOP and sending out the
> > >> email CFP on F13 Talking Points. If anyone wants to hop on and help,
> > >> that would be AWESOME - or feel free to contribute on the wiki page if
> > >> you get to it before I do.  One thing I would like to add to the SOP
> > >> (since I just thought of it 3 seconds ago!) is the content of the
> > >> email to be sent out requesting participation in Talking Points
> > >> development. If someone would like to jump in and do that, that would
> > >> be great.
> > >
> > > The page looks great.  I think you can also find some helpful
> > > information on the [[Category:Talking Points]] page that will help
> > > fill in "how to choose points."  In fact, I'd be in favor of
> removing
> > > a bunch of that material from the Category page, and just linking back
> > > to the [[Talking points SOP]], to avoid duplication of content (and
> > > confusion about where the governing stuff is).
> >
> > WRT the [[Category:Talking Points]] page - I'm going to go ahead and
> > move some / most of that stuff to the SOP, to get it looking similar
> > to some of the other Category: pages for marketing deliverables -
> > [[Category:Release Slogan]], etc.  Basically it will have a
> > definition, and then a "to find how how this is done, see SOP", with
> > the various Talking Points pages from current and older releases
> > listed at the bottom as pages in that category.
>
>  Superb!
>
>  --
>  Paul W. Frields                                http://paul.frields.org/
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