Single CD Fedora distro

[Joshua Wulf]

Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and a gnome one? We could 
do first one, then the other, rather than waiting a million years for 
them both.

I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it was a 600-odd MB 
single CD. R0ck!

--josh

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

That's exactly what I'd like to do.

However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD.  I'm
happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora --
but the Single Install CD is another matter.  The more I investigate, the
more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with 
firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install happily 
from one CD.  I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why this is.

--g

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote:

>  Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and a gnome one? We
> could 
>  do first one, then the other, rather than waiting a million years for 
>  them both.
>  
>  I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it was a 600-odd MB 
>  single CD. R0ck!
>  
>  --josh
>  
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[Joshua Wulf]

Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
>  That's exactly what I'd like to do.
>
>  However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD.  I'm
>  happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora --
>  but the Single Install CD is another matter.  The more I investigate, the
>  more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with 
>  firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install happily 
>  from one CD.  I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why this is.
>
>  --g
>
>     
I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for a single install CD, 
then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of the single install 
CD must be attained....

I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the live CD status, but 
would a single install disk, while worthy in it's own right, be a 
significant launching pad to a live CD?

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>   Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent.  the
>               Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the 
>                       ] [ dumb.  --mcluhan
>
>  On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote:
>
>    
> > Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and a gnome one? We could 
> > do first one, then the other, rather than waiting a million years for 
> > them both.
> >
> > I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it was a 600-odd MB 
> > single CD. R0ck!
> >
> > --josh
> >
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[Rodrigo Menezes]

Where can I find a oficial Live FC4 CD?

I'm using this one:
http://www.serpro.gov.br/arquivosdownload/Fedora4-LiveCD.iso

This site is a Brazil Goverment IT Company but this is
not official. Where can I get one?

Thanks in advance,

Rodrigo Menezes

--- Joshua Wulf <jwulf(a)redhat.com&gt; escreveu:

>  Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
>  > That's exactly what I'd like to do.
>  >
>  > However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and
>  Single Install CD.  I'm
>  > happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome
>  Live CDs for Fedora --
>  > but the Single Install CD is another matter.  The
>  more I investigate, the
>  > more it appears as though we've painted ourselves
>  into a corner with 
>  > firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big*
>  (allegedly) to install happily 
>  > from one CD.  I'm still trying to get a good
>  answer as to why this is.
>  >
>  > --g
>  >
>  >   
>  I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for
>  a single install CD, 
>  then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of
>  the single install 
>  CD must be attained....
>  
>  I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the
>  live CD status, but 
>  would a single install disk, while worthy in it's
>  own right, be a 
>  significant launching pad to a live CD?
>  
>  > _____________________ 
>  ____________________________________________
>  >   Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of
>  technology will have
>  >  Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and
>  intelligent.  the
>  >              Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters
>  the grim and the 
>  >                      ] [ dumb.  --mcluhan
>  >
>  > On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote:
>  >
>  >   
>  >> Why not two live CD distributions - a kde one and
>  a gnome one? We could 
>  >> do first one, then the other, rather than waiting
>  a million years for 
>  >> them both.
>  >>
>  >> I just downloaded Ubuntu and installed it, and it
>  was a 600-odd MB 
>  >> single CD. R0ck!
>  >>
>  >> --josh
>  >>
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[Yoshihiro Totaka]

Joshua Wulf wrote:
>  Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
>  
> > That's exactly what I'd like to do.
> >
> > However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD.  I'm
> > happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora --
> > but the Single Install CD is another matter.  The more I investigate, the
> > more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with 
> > firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install 
> > happily from one CD.  I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why 
> > this is.
> >
> > --g
> >
> >   
>  
>  I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for a single install CD, 
>  then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of the single install 
>  CD must be attained....
>  
>  I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the live CD status, but 
>  would a single install disk, while worthy in it's own right, be a 
>  significant launching pad to a live CD?
>   
Hi, I don't have anything against single install CD, but please keep 
bloated version of fedora alive. Ubuntu is great distribution, but their 
install CD is size-constrained rather than current Fedora's 
functionality-dupilication-constrained, so anything developer thinks 
doesn't feel worthy is not included in install CD. This unfortunately 
result in lack of internationalization and lack of Japanese language 
input. Group of Japanese is creating unofficial version of ubuntu to 
serve the needs. However as a result of this, developers are now 
fragmented  and there seems to be no improvement in Japanese support in 
ubuntu in foreseeable future.

If fedora is anything but platform for developers and participation, 
please take functionality-oriented install CD way. It really doesn't 
make sense for me, if some functionality is removed from install CD, 
just because it exceeds 640MB.

If fedora is ever going to create single install CD, please take Konppix 
way, (i.e., 1CD install disk for English speaking audience only and 1DVD 
or 4CDs for standard version) not ubuntu way.

In the end, I feel like I have something against single install CD. haha.

Regards,
Yoshihiro Totaka

[Karsten Wade]

On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 19:23 +0900, Yoshihiro Totaka wrote:

>  If fedora is anything but platform for developers and participation,
>
>  please take functionality-oriented install CD way. It really doesn't 
>  make sense for me, if some functionality is removed from install CD, 
>  just because it exceeds 640MB. 
+1

That said, we should make it possible for interested parties to roll
their own single install CDs with whatever they think is worthy.

/me envisions a Web tool with package selection and automatic ISO
creation, and the ability to take all data for the above in the form of
a delimited text file.

- Karsten
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[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Joshua Wulf wrote:

>  Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
>  > That's exactly what I'd like to do.
>  >
>  > However, there's two types of CD -- Live CD and Single Install CD.  I'm
>  > happy to solicit the completion of KDE and Gnome Live CDs for Fedora --
>  > but the Single Install CD is another matter.  The more I investigate, the
>  > more it appears as though we've painted ourselves into a corner with 
>  > firstboot; basically, FC4 is *just too big* (allegedly) to install happily 
>  > from one CD.  I'm still trying to get a good answer as to why this is.
>  >
>  > --g
>  >
>  >   
>  I'll look into it too. If first boot is too big for a single install CD, 
>  then firstboot has to go, because the Holy Grail of the single install 
>  CD must be attained.... 
Well, there are a bunch of issues.  Mainly:

  1. The *right* approach is to alter Anaconda so that the first CD
     has a good basic install, and that you can just download CD 1 of
     4/5/20/a zillion and pick the basic 1-CD install from Anaconda.
     This work is ongoing as we speak, and apparently has an even
     money shot of making it into FC5.

  2. Language support is the bear, and if you end up building 1-CDs,
     you need to be sure that you have all the appropriate language/
     font/input mechanism code on that 1 CD.  And that 1 CD might very
     well be different for Indic languages, for instance.

So.  If someone -- anyone -- has the time to build out a 1-CD community
version of FC4 with Indic language support, that would be great.  If we
want a 1-CD Indic language CD, we need someone in India to step up and
help us.  Will it be "official"?  Dunno.  There may be some politics about 
mirrors -- but if we can manage to get it on the torrent with a tracker in 
India, maybe that's a possibility.

>  I'm speculating here because I'm not yet up on the live CD
> status, but 
>  would a single install disk, while worthy in it's own right, be a 
>  significant launching pad to a live CD? 
Actually, it's kinda the other way around.  Live CD is an ideal way to 
play with a good package set that fits in about 700k, and knowing which 
packages are the right ones is a large part of the battle.

--g

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  Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have
 Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent.  the
             Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the 
                     ] [ dumb.  --mcluhan

[Jeremy Hogan]

On 10/20/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg <gdk(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Actually, it's kinda the other way around. Live CD is an ideal
> way to
>  play with a good package set that fits in about 700k, and knowing which
>  packages are the right ones is a large part of the battle. 

That was going to be my suggestion. The LiveCD will have to have made a
number of these choices, and ideally you could install from it (and add on
packegs post-install). Making it both a LiveCD and single CD install. Sort
of.

We'll never pick the right longer term sets of packages for everyone (or
else we'd never have gotten to 4 discs in the first place), so they can YUM
in whatever they need post install.

--jeremy