4:14 p.m.
I was under the impression that the event was approved by it's region- as
well as being supported by many of us in Fedora leadership :( I had hoped
we had moved on, but...
I do not appreciate reading things like:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/aligarh-girl-and-mother-killed-for-wea...
http://health.india.com/diseases-conditions/why-india-is-the-worst-place-...
etc.
For the record, I was unhappy with both Fedora folks in this poster event.
I was unhappy that a few Fedorans were not asked for feedback on the exact
wording. I feel that *if* this were done- reasonable folks would have
offered good suggestions. We really can "do better" with feedback, it helps
promote this worthy cause. It would have also helped reach out to more
people to not use off-putting words.
Tbh, I actually took more offense at the person that chose to *blog* over
trying to resolve this in a respectful manner. We solve all sorts of things
out by being discrete and not going* public* as first response. This matter
could have been EASILY sorted out in a private manner.
This WAS/is an APAC matter, but the public blogger has chosen to keep this
going,,,,, :( *Stand down* Let it go. As a fellow Mentor, we are held to a
higher standard. This event was *approved* by +5 votes (and my ceremonial
+1). The language WAS changed after it was asked. There was also a lengthy
admonishment, and explanation of how feedback will help AVOID this in the
future (in a meeting no less). At this point, the only action
attacking/insulting/inflaming - is my *peer*- questioning quite a few folks
"sanity".
Please let it GO :)
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Jon <jdisnard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I do not appreciate reading things like:
*India is a backward country in which majority of the people are
illiterate and most of those who are literate have no sex education. Most
of the people are brain-washed by the decadent patriarchy that has merged
itself with cultural, religious and business practices at the cost of basic
human values. Even the country's laws are sub-human in nature.*
The first sentence alone has three negatives opinions about India.
The rest is just angry ranting.
Fedora project should focus on positive statements!
Here is how I would rewrite the first sentence:
"India is a large country where many people are illiterate, and have
little or no sex education."
I would recommend citing reputable new agencies or a peer-reviewed paper
with statistics backing up the so-called facts about literacy and sex
education.
Honestly the 2nd and 3rd sentence should be dropped, as they resemble
ranting angry opinion.
You can do better!
-Jon Disnard
fas: parasense
irc: masta
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM, A. Mani <a.mani.cms(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm very very confused here.
> >
> > It was already established that the original background was offensive to
> > the community. I insist on seeing any discussion with your organizing
> > committee that approved your usage of the original background text in
> > any event report. If there is none, I fail to understand why you used
> > it.
> >
>
> It was misunderstood by some. No offense was ever intended.
>
> The write up is not hate.
> It is about the state of affairs
>
> Hate should be like "We hate this country ... because ... "
> Your understanding of hate is misplaced.
>
> In fact, it is about concern for the country. India is backward
> because of its low score in human development index to start with.
> It is lower than that of poor African countries.
>
> The goal of the competition was to reach out to new communities.
> Working within the community is not going to help in expansion.
> It has been proven by different studies.
>
> In the wfs irc discussions, the main concerns were about their
> 'positive perspective' of the text.
>
>
> As far as the present report is concerned.... I am stating facts.
>
> > The event was approved only after it was understood, by all parties,
> > including *you*, that the original text would *not* stand[1]. You have
> > gone ahead and quite blatantly, fully aware of what you were doing,
> > broken this understanding. What gives?
> >
>
>
> As far as the present report is concerned.... I am stating at least
> some major aspects of the event.
>
>
>
> > Since we decided to sponsor this event, I will stick by it and request
> > our fund manager to reimburse you. However, you will probably not get my
> > vote for any events in the future. I simply don't see you respecting the
> > community's feedback. I don't see you considering the community at all
> > actually. It seems like you'll do what you want any way, in complete
> > disregard of what we, or even your immediate organizing team says, and I
> > fail to understand why Fedora should support it at all.
>
>
> I am very experienced with organizing free s/w events over many years
> and in every instance consensus just happened.
>
> Here we tried to enter more difficult domains, therefore it has been
> difficult. Please try and understand that.
>
>
> Best
>
> A. Mani
>
>
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