Hello Christian,
I may be able to clarify a bit the mess.* Frederico Lima (fredlima)
wasn't an ambassador because he was pinging the Brazilian mentor who
seems to be inactive or out of reach. However, Brazil is inside the
LATAM region so he could ping any other mentor. The reasons why he
didn't are out of my reach and not in discussion right now.* I'm also
angry about this topic and wholeheartedly agree with you, Christian.
But I can't figure out a way to put some order on the present
situation.* fredlima has been contributing a lot to the project, mainly
through translations. In all honesty, I didn't know he wasn't an
ambassador and probably many people who voted for him didn't know
either. * The solution proposed was the point #2 in the seat rules that
states that FAmSCo if (runner-up) candidates have been exhausted or
FAmSCo does not consider them eligible, it will ask Fedora community
members that they think would do a good job and would be willing to
hold the open seats.
* According to this rule, and giving no one else have other proposals,
the candidates are Mitzie, Fredlima & Gnokii. And we have to vote for
one of them on this
ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/418
* In my very personal opinion, this issue should be voted by all
ambassadors. But the rules state that is FAmSCo that will vote to elect
the vacant seat. Or so I understand from the mentioned rules.* FAmSCo
mean to clear and modify (wherever is needed) the rules to avoid future
problems.
Hope now is clearer for you and the rest of ambassadors who are trying
to entangle the mess.
Kind regards,Sylvia
On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 12:10 +0100, Christian Dersch wrote:
Hi ambassadors,
while reading the meeting log and some more stuff (like FAmSCo
ticket on vacant seat) I got more and more upset. The issue with
the
last election is a serious one, but some people here "discuss" on
preschool level… I don't call any names here but encourage
everyone
to read the logs and build an own opinion. Please don't forget
the
four Fedora foundations, one of them is "Friends"! Fedora is a
friendly and transparent community, not a kindergarten… It makes
me
angry, that is such an important topic.
On the vacant seat topic I have some thoughts (I'm still not sure
what the proposed solution is, finally, so maybe my thoughts are
not
up to date. Please correct me if I'm wrong):
* fredlima should not have been a candidate for formal reasons.
But
it happened and we cannot change this. Note that this is a
*purely*
formal argument, I don't know fredlima and he might be a very
good
FAmSCo member as many community members voted for him. So this is
*really* nothing personal here.
* I see that other candidate(s) are upset because they might have
been in FAmSCo when the election would have been correct. gnokii
might be the first candidate as he got the most votes of the
people
who didn't get into new FAmSCo, but it is hard to say how the
distribution of votes would have been without fredlima. So I
consider all remaining candidates.
* On the other hand people who voted for fredlima might be upset
too… I don't know why he was not an ambassador right now and how
long he is an "informal ambassador" now. But people voted for him
and this must have a reason, so completely ignoring would be a
bad
idea too…
* So *IMHO* we need some kind of voting with all candidates for
the
remaining seat. This includes fredlima, as he is an ambassador
now
and the many votes for him are another reason to give him the
opportunity to be a candidate. But other candidates should get
the
chance too, as one of them would be in FAmSCo now.
* I dived a bit into the election rules. Is it right that we have
no
clear rule for such cases (well, a case that should not happen,
needs no rule for handling, true…)? The vacant seat stuff seems
to
be viable for me.
* The most important point: Find a transparent and clean solution
without any tweaks (like just mentoring fredlima without any
further
voting, as someone proposed), this is very important for trust!
* Can someone from FAmSCo inform us about the current proposed
solution? I have some vague idea, but as there are many
discussions,
I don't want to write anything wrong or outdated info here.
* And… Please inform us ambassadors about the topic and all
progress! I got the information trough some IRC discussion… From
this discussions I know that also some other ambassadors (who are
not candidates, so they are "unaffected") are unhappy with that
topic.
That's everything for now. And again: Be friends and a friendly
community ;)
For fredlima: As you are an ambassador now, it would be nice if
you
introduce yourself here :)
Greetings,
Christian
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