Measuring success.

[Cesar Pinto]

Hi Ambassadors,

Maybe this has been raised before but I would like to raise the question of
overall goals, metrics and accountability in relation to the success of
this Fedora project.

Perhaps we could open the discussion around overall strategy for the
project in regards to adoption (what we want to achieve? by when? how?),
maybe we could look at some numbers and agree on tactical activities which
are directly impacting those?

Run it like a business meeting?

This is what I can do to contribute on a tangible manner to that goal.

Also there must be a way to measure success. Are we tracking regional
downloads to know if our efforts as ambassadors are having a measurable
impact?

The closest I´ve seen around this is an email from Matthew on event
strategy. But (myself at least) I see events as only a tactical activity,
what about PR work? technology partnerships? (docker) academic adoption?
(charitable ICT work?) training programs? (free course on linux?)

And maybe could we suggest 1 monthly (biweekly at most) meeting via video
call in addition to the IRC meetings. Maybe an idea to make things more
engaging for new ambassadors?

Thanks for your feedback.

Cesar

-- 
Cesar Pinto
[phone]

[Cesar Pinto]

And apologies in advance if any of this is out of line by the way... just a
rookie here after all

On 25 February 2015 at 09:12, Cesar Pinto <cesar.a.pinto(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi Ambassadors,
>
>  Maybe this has been raised before but I would like to raise the question
>  of overall goals, metrics and accountability in relation to the success of
>  this Fedora project.
>
>  Perhaps we could open the discussion around overall strategy for the
>  project in regards to adoption (what we want to achieve? by when? how?),
>  maybe we could look at some numbers and agree on tactical activities which
>  are directly impacting those?
>
>  Run it like a business meeting?
>
>  This is what I can do to contribute on a tangible manner to that goal.
>
>  Also there must be a way to measure success. Are we tracking regional
>  downloads to know if our efforts as ambassadors are having a measurable
>  impact?
>
>  The closest I´ve seen around this is an email from Matthew on event
>  strategy. But (myself at least) I see events as only a tactical activity,
>  what about PR work? technology partnerships? (docker) academic adoption?
>  (charitable ICT work?) training programs? (free course on linux?)
>
>  And maybe could we suggest 1 monthly (biweekly at most) meeting via video
>  call in addition to the IRC meetings. Maybe an idea to make things more
>  engaging for new ambassadors?
>
>  Thanks for your feedback.
>
>  Cesar
>
>  --
>  Cesar Pinto
>  [phone]
>
>  

-- 
Cesar Pinto
[phone]

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:12:44AM +0100, Cesar Pinto wrote:
>  Maybe this has been raised before but I would like to raise the
> question of
>  overall goals, metrics and accountability in relation to the success of
>  this Fedora project. 
This sounds great!

>  Also there must be a way to measure success. Are we tracking
> regional
>  downloads to know if our efforts as ambassadors are having a measurable
>  impact? 
Stephen Smoogen does have some of those numbers. It's a lot of
guesswork.

>  The closest I´ve seen around this is an email from Matthew on event
>  strategy. But (myself at least) I see events as only a tactical activity,
>  what about PR work? technology partnerships? (docker) academic adoption?
>  (charitable ICT work?) training programs? (free course on linux?) 
Nice! Have you seen the effort to create a higher-level outreach
steering committee, which would encompass ambassadors, marketing,
design, etc? It hasn't really gotten off the ground yet, but hopefully
it can be a place for this higher-level kind of conversation. (Although
starting here is awesome -- don't let me derail!)



-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Joerg Simon]

On 25.02.2015 09:12, Cesar Pinto wrote:
>  Maybe this has been raised before but I would like to raise the
> question
>  of overall goals, metrics and accountability in relation to the success
>  of this Fedora project.
>  Perhaps we could open the discussion around overall strategy for the
>  project in regards to adoption (what we want to achieve? by when? how?), 
I see this as a clear topic for the outreach list, maybe they work on
this topic already - or abandoned it already ;)
maybe you should join their discussion
(https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/outreach/)

What works for code, commits and infrastructure changes, does imho not
always work for the work that the Ambassadors are doing - a lot of it
can not be just measured. We tried in the past - to measure events,
invests, new contributors to all our groups - and i think it was helping
future planning (a bit) but it was not worth the effort if i look at the
time invested and we never will measure the catalytic influence we had
with our activities, presence

>  Run it like a business meeting?  
i suggest to join the Ambassadors Meeting (maybe you already joined
some) and also the planning Activity days to learn how we do it at the
moment then make suggestion for improvements.

>  Also there must be a way to measure success. Are we tracking
> regional
>  downloads to know if our efforts as ambassadors are having a measurable
>  impact? 
for ambassadors there are measures in place how money is spend,
event-reporting is done, group-development etc. i think we found a good
middle-way in the last years. The stats, measures for other groups than
Ambassadors, should to be discussed in these groups or at counsil level.

regarding users - smolt is dead and the download stats are imho not
accurate enough to draw the conclusions that you want

Ambassadors can measure new contributors that they mentored and teached
to join the Fedora Project - and as long as they can achieve their
personal goals with contribution i think this is quality measurement enough.


>  But (myself at least) I see events as only a tactical
>  activity, 
maybe it will change your view if you join/represent Fedora on FOSS
Events - there is much more than just tactical activities


>  what about PR work? technology partnerships? (docker) academic
>  adoption? (charitable ICT work?) training programs? (free course on linux?) 
Ambassadors already support/did/do all this ;)

>  And maybe could we suggest 1 monthly (biweekly at most) meeting via
>  video call in addition to the IRC meetings. Maybe an idea to make things
>  more engaging for new ambassadors? 
organize it and look who joins ;)

and please do not get me wrong - i also suggest to look through the
Ambassadors archives to learn where we failed and some history so we do
not the same again and again.

Thanks for your input!

cu Joerg
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Joerg (kital) Simon
jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon
http://kitall.blogspot.com
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