Africa Ambassadors Meeting(EMEA)

[Isaac Sanni-Thomas]

Hello fellow Fedorians,

As part of efforts to have a solid Fedora presence in Africa, I believe
its time we resume meetings for those in the African Community.

One of the reasons we have not been able to make it for meetings has
been due to the Time Zones of the various countries.

I suggest we meet on a #fedora-africa channel next week after the EMEA
meeting for about 10minutes and agree on which time suits the masses so
we can have a meeting with significant attendance.

This way we can start focusing on:
1. Building stronger Fedorian presence in Africa
2. Organizing memorable Events in Africa.
3. Having better media distribution logistics for the African community
4. Increasing the contributors&ambassadors count for Fedora.


Please share your views...



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[Mathieu Bridon]

Hi Isaac,

On 07/18/2010 06:58 PM, Isaac Sanni-Thomas wrote:
>  One of the reasons we have not been able to make it for meetings has
>  been due to the Time Zones of the various countries.
>
>  I suggest we meet on a #fedora-africa channel next week after the EMEA
>  meeting for about 10minutes and agree on which time suits the masses so
>  we can have a meeting with significant attendance. 
But « after the EMEA meeting » might not be possible for some people, 
depending on the timezone they live in. ;)

Other groups, FESCo for example, use whenisgood [1] to avoid the chicken 
and egg problem.

There are obviously other ways to set up a meeting time, but organizing 
a meeting to decide on when to meet seems like a wrong way to do it. ;)


Cheers,


[1] http://whenisgood.net/


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Mathieu

[Pierros Papadeas]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Mathieu Bridon
<bochecha(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hi Isaac,
>
>  On 07/18/2010 06:58 PM, Isaac Sanni-Thomas wrote:
> > One of the reasons we have not been able to make it for meetings has
> > been due to the Time Zones of the various countries.
> >
> > I suggest we meet on a #fedora-africa channel next week after the EMEA
> > meeting for about 10minutes and agree on which time suits the masses so
> > we can have a meeting with significant attendance.
>
>  But « after the EMEA meeting » might not be possible for some people,
>  depending on the timezone they live in. ;)
>
>  Other groups, FESCo for example, use whenisgood [1] to avoid the chicken
>  and egg problem.
>
>  There are obviously other ways to set up a meeting time, but organizing
>  a meeting to decide on when to meet seems like a wrong way to do it. ;)
>
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  [1] http://whenisgood.net/
>
>
>  --
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Hi Isaac and Mathieu !

I agree with Mathieu.. It does not feel logical... I suggest coming up
with a date/time and be bold on that. Then we can see what happens.

~π

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[Isaac Sanni-Thomas]

Hi Pierros,

On 07/18/2010 11:39 PM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
>  Hi Isaac and Mathieu !
>  
>  I agree with Mathieu.. 
> It does not feel logical... 
Why not come up with something that feels logical...
Mathieu came up with 'a workable template'...come up with something
constructive than say "it does not feel logical"...because saying
something is not logical is not logical in itself. ;)

 I suggest coming up
>  with a date/time and be bold on that. 
....Date and time which suits who??me??and be bold about my time??this
is a community..let the 41 African community members decide what is best
for them...I hope you appreciate it's not a one man's meeting...We need
the African community to decide...

Thanks for your input.

...And Im still waiting for the 41 Africans on the list to share their
ideas since this is more of an African thing for Africa by
Africans...that counts more to this discussion..

@Arthurbuliva,kenkasina,Frankiemangoa: Im in Nairobi(Kenya), currently
at Lavington. We can meet up and have a few discussion during the week
whiles we schedule a time for #fedora-africa :)




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[nihed mbarek]

Hi,

I'm Nihed MBAREK from Tunisia and now available to help fedora project on my
country.


Regards,


On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Isaac Sanni-Thomas <d3vnull.r00t(a)gmail.com
>  wrote: 
>  Hi Pierros,
>
>  On 07/18/2010 11:39 PM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
>  > Hi Isaac and Mathieu !
>  >
>  > I agree with Mathieu..
>  >It does not feel logical...
>  Why not come up with something that feels logical...
>  Mathieu came up with 'a workable template'...come up with something
>  constructive than say "it does not feel logical"...because saying
>  something is not logical is not logical in itself. ;)
>
>   I suggest coming up
>  > with a date/time and be bold on that.
>
>  ....Date and time which suits who??me??and be bold about my time??this
>  is a community..let the 41 African community members decide what is best
>  for them...I hope you appreciate it's not a one man's meeting...We need
>  the African community to decide...
>
>  Thanks for your input.
>
>  ...And Im still waiting for the 41 Africans on the list to share their
>  ideas since this is more of an African thing for Africa by
>  Africans...that counts more to this discussion..
>
>  @Arthurbuliva,kenkasina,Frankiemangoa: Im in Nairobi(Kenya), currently
>  at Lavington. We can meet up and have a few discussion during the week
>  whiles we schedule a time for #fedora-africa :)
>
>
>
>
>  BR(Isaac/d3vnull)
>
>  --
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[Pierros Papadeas]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Isaac Sanni-Thomas
<d3vnull.r00t(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi Pierros,
>
>  On 07/18/2010 11:39 PM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
> > Hi Isaac and Mathieu !
> >
> > I agree with Mathieu..
> >It does not feel logical...
>  Why not come up with something that feels logical...
>  Mathieu came up with 'a workable template'...come up with something
>  constructive than say "it does not feel logical"...because saying
>  something is not logical is not logical in itself. ;) 
I was simply commenting on Mathieu's opinion. (Which I agree with)

>   I suggest coming up
> > with a date/time and be bold on that.
>
>  ....Date and time which suits who??me??and be bold about my time??this
>  is a community..let the 41 African community members decide what is best
>  for them...I hope you appreciate it's not a one man's meeting...We need
>  the African community to decide... 
On my experience you will never end up with an 100% agreed time and
date... not even close to 80%. So I suggest you (or someone willing to
chair the meetings) try to think of a "logical hour" on a "logical
day" (after possible small scale negotiations) and then be bold on
that and see what happens after two meetings (e.g.)

>  Thanks for your input. 

Please dont get me wrong, I was trying to help...

>  ...And Im still waiting for the 41 Africans on the list to share
> their
>  ideas since this is more of an African thing for Africa by
>  Africans...that counts more to this discussion..
>
>  @Arthurbuliva,kenkasina,Frankiemangoa: Im in Nairobi(Kenya), currently
>  at Lavington. We can meet up and have a few discussion during the week
>  whiles we schedule a time for #fedora-africa :)
>
>
>
>
>  BR(Isaac/d3vnull)
>
>  --
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[Isaac Sanni-Thomas]

On 07/19/2010 12:26 AM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
>  On my experience you will never end up with an 100% agreed time and
>  date... not even close to 80%. So I suggest you (or someone willing to
>  chair the meetings) try to think of a "logical hour" on a "logical
>  day" (after possible small scale negotiations) and then be bold on
>  that and see what happens after two meetings (e.g.)
>   
Granted we may never have a 100% agreed time...however, Logic/"logical"
is very relative Pierros...I suggest you refrain from using "logical" in
the context of this discussion. A certain hour or day might not make
sense to you(subjective reasoning), but to the 41 African ambassadors it
does(objective reasoning)...

Let the Africans decide what suggestion(s) is||are appropriate..please...
I have already gotten mails from some African Ambassadors...soon we will
make our decision known to the list...

@Nihed MBAREK,Ken Kasina,Amit Caleechurn: Thanks for responding publicly
and discretely as per choice... :)



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[Onyeibo Oku]

>  ...And Im still waiting for the 41 Africans on the list to share
> their
>  ideas since this is more of an African thing for Africa by
>  Africans...that counts more to this discussion.. 
Not yet like that sir!  If I recall correctly, the last meeting had only
three(3) africans attending ... and you came towards the end :). Those
guys were there for us.  I'd rather we take a proactive route -- the
continent of the person contributing to the African cause is
insignificant.  We've been through this path before and it was
inconclusive. Right now mathieu's suggestion is more amenable and
practical.  

We used WhenIsGood (http://whenisgood.net/) to schedule meetings for
fedora Design-team ... and it was informative.  Once we know the
preferred times, finding a median is the way to go.  Check out the site
and initiate the process. I'll be happy to respond, and better still,
you could send invitation to the "41 on the list" and get a coordinated
(automated) input.

That will free our mailing list from a lot of noise.  I hope we can get
this done before Wednesday.
-- 
Oku, Onyeibo
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[Arthur Buliva]

I personally feel that an appropriate time is 19H00 GMT - Thats 7pm at
the extreme west and 10pm at the extreme east. Main reason I have been
through few of the meetings is because they were happening at midnight
at the East Coast (which is where am based)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Onyeibo Oku <twohotis(a)fastmail.fm&gt;
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Subject: [Ambassadors] Africa Ambassadors Meeting(EMEA)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:21:51 +0100


>  ...And Im still waiting for the 41 Africans on the list to share
> their
>  ideas since this is more of an African thing for Africa by
>  Africans...that counts more to this discussion.. 
Not yet like that sir!  If I recall correctly, the last meeting had only
three(3) africans attending ... and you came towards the end :). Those
guys were there for us.  I'd rather we take a proactive route -- the
continent of the person contributing to the African cause is
insignificant.  We've been through this path before and it was
inconclusive. Right now mathieu's suggestion is more amenable and
practical.  

We used WhenIsGood (http://whenisgood.net/) to schedule meetings for
fedora Design-team ... and it was informative.  Once we know the
preferred times, finding a median is the way to go.  Check out the site
and initiate the process. I'll be happy to respond, and better still,
you could send invitation to the "41 on the list" and get a coordinated
(automated) input.

That will free our mailing list from a lot of noise.  I hope we can get
this done before Wednesday.
-- 
Oku, Onyeibo
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Twohot

[Isaac Sanni-Thomas]

On 07/19/2010 07:25 AM, Arthur Buliva wrote:
>  I personally feel that an appropriate time is 19H00 GMT - Thats 7pm
> at
>  the extreme west and 10pm at the extreme east. Main reason I have been
>  through few of the meetings is because they were happening at midnight
>  at the East Coast (which is where am based)
>
>  --
>  Arthur 
sawa sawa. ahsante sana Arthur. So far this is the third encouraging mail
:)
I agree with your time :) 19H00 GMT
I have met with Ken Kasina. We could meet over coffee during the week at
Westlands ama!!



twohot,
>  Not yet like that sir!  If I recall correctly, the last meeting had
> only
>  three(3) africans attending ... and you came towards the end :). Those
>  guys were there for us.  I'd rather we take a proactive route -- the
>  continent of the person contributing to the African cause is
>  insignificant.  We've been through this path before and it was
>  inconclusive. Right now mathieu's suggestion is more amenable and
>  practical.   
If you knew all this why didn't you "step up"..quoting Pierros :)

Did you follow the thread in the mail Joerg and Sascha sent:
 "Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Africa" ??

If you were concerned why didn't you step up??
If you were conscious of my coming "towards the end",guess what,we
waited for peeps like you who were at those meetings to take the mantle
when Joerg sent that mail since you were "at the begining" and move
things for Africa..and what happened??...Nothing..for how long??One
clear month(06/17/2010 02:08 PM). Check your mails again to confirm that...
In view of your meeting experience,If you want to chair and drive this
initiative of kickstarting the growth of Fedora Africa its all yours :)
I still stick to what I said before "Fedora for Africans by Africans".
Its our thing and its our time. That's my opinion.
Until we own the 'burning desire' to win and to build a strong Fedora
African Core..we will remain where we are(41 Africa contributors only).
As Sascha said in his last mail on that thread with Joerg
"what I think is;
- bootstrapping a region is not done in 4 meetings nor is it done in one
year
- we must give africa its time and the people in africa will tell you
and me how things run in africa and how they will do Fedora"

Now that my friend is what I was talking about "Fedora for Africans by
Africans"..and maybe you didn't know or might have forgotten, Africa is
one of Joerg's focus. I suggest we "step up" and ask for assistance when
its due.
We can do this, Yes We Can, We Can Grow Fedora in Africa and I believe
it..so you better start believing in the vision, rather than nurture
fear and doubts ;)

>  We used WhenIsGood (http://whenisgood.net/) to schedule meetings for
>  fedora Design-team ... and it was informative.  Once we know the
>  preferred times, finding a median is the way to go.  Check out the site
>  and initiate the process. I'll be happy to respond, and better still,
>  you could send invitation to the "41 on the list" and get a coordinated
>  (automated) input. 
If you read my response carefully I called Mathieu's suggestion a
"working template". I don't have to explain that too do I...


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