4:43 p.m.
On 03/15/2010 02:14 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 17:02 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One of the things we noticed in the Marketing FAD is that Fedora doesn't
> have a standardized process for keeping the default bookmarks that we
> ship in fedora-bookmarks.rpm updated.
>
> I've taken the liberty of cleaning up the following page, which hadn't
> been touched in several releases:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Bookmarks
>
> I'd like to get the following issues sorted out:
>
> (1) The format in which the fedora-bookmarks package owner (Matthias)
> would like the bookmarks for any given release to be delivered. Is what
> I've done ok, or would you prefer something else?
I am the owner ? Surprise. I'd be very happy to give that up to someone
who has the bandwidth to keep this package up-to-date. If marketing
wants to play an active role there, feel free to take this over.
I don't think I have ever touched the package, really. In the past,
caillon was involved with bookmark stuff.
Yeah, I wonder how that got assigned to Matthias. Every other release
in pkgdb shows it as me, and I'm pretty sure I haven't ever tried
assigning it to anyone other than in marketing.
Max, is there a better person to maintain this? I'm okay with co-owing
and helping out the new maintainer, but I probably shouldn't be the
primary owner.
For the time being though, I can make the change if this is what
marketing's agreed on.
Let me know.
C
4:49 p.m.
New subject: F13 (and onward) default bookmarks
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Christopher Aillon wrote:
Max, is there a better person to maintain this? I'm okay with
co-owing and helping out the new maintainer, but I probably shouldn't
be the primary owner.
I assume that from a package ownership point of view, this is virtually
trivial? Is there *anything* difficult about integrating this package
into the rest of Firefox & the distro, or is it really basically the
easiest package in all of Fedora to own, and could be taken off of your
hands entirely, thus freeing you of this every-now-and-then ping?
For the time being though, I can make the change if this is what
marketing's agreed on.
I'd like to let people take a look at the proposal for F13 and ack it in
the next Fedora Marketing meeting, then get the update done by either
you or a new owner.
--Max
4:53 p.m.
New subject: F13 (and onward) default bookmarks
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Max Spevack wrote:
I assume that from a package ownership point of view, this is
virtually trivial? Is there *anything* difficult about integrating
this package into the rest of Firefox & the distro, or is it really
basically the easiest package in all of Fedora to own, and could be
taken off of your hands entirely, thus freeing you of this
every-now-and-then ping?
Here's an actual question:
When I took the fedora-bookmarks.html page and removed some stale ones
and added some new ones, I didn't worry about any of the metadata that
went with the bookmarks.
Compare:
<DT><A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/"
ADD_DATE="1158286779" LAST_VISIT="1176675005"
LAST_MODIFIED="1176675285"
LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8" ID="rdf:#$c7+Ar2">Fedora Project</A>
<DD>Home of the Fedora Project.
Versus:
<DT><A
HREF="http://opensource.com/">OpenSource.com</A>
<DD>Open Source applied to the world.
How much does the metadata matter?
--Max
4:58 p.m.
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I thing about something. Why we don't include in the fedora-bookmarks the
websites of local community. Like when someone install the package for
Brazilian-Portuguese, other package with our websites in that language will
be include in their bookmarks.
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Brazil Fedora Ambassador
Telecommunications Engineer
Linux User #477062
8:01 p.m.
New subject: F13 (and onward) default bookmarks
On 03/15/2010 02:53 PM, Max Spevack wrote:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Max Spevack wrote:
> I assume that from a package ownership point of view, this is
> virtually trivial? Is there *anything* difficult about integrating
> this package into the rest of Firefox & the distro, or is it really
> basically the easiest package in all of Fedora to own, and could be
> taken off of your hands entirely, thus freeing you of this
> every-now-and-then ping?
Here's an actual question:
When I took the fedora-bookmarks.html page and removed some stale ones
and added some new ones, I didn't worry about any of the metadata that
went with the bookmarks.
Compare:
<DT><A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/"
ADD_DATE="1158286779"
LAST_VISIT="1176675005" LAST_MODIFIED="1176675285"
LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8"
ID="rdf:#$c7+Ar2">Fedora Project</A>
<DD>Home of the Fedora Project.
Versus:
<DT><A HREF="http://opensource.com/">OpenSource.com</A>
<DD>Open Source applied to the world.
How much does the metadata matter?
Man, good question. I think that it might be required per the actual
spec, but I don't know how much it matters in practice. Anyway, it's
pretty easy to do things the way I outlined in my last mail, so I
typically just do it that way which adds all the needed tags, though I
do have to manually strip out the ICON ones...
10:19 a.m.
New subject: F13 (and onward) default bookmarks
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Christopher Aillon wrote:
Man, good question. I think that it might be required per the actual
spec, but I don't know how much it matters in practice. Anyway, it's
pretty easy to do things the way I outlined in my last mail, so I
typically just do it that way which adds all the needed tags, though I
do have to manually strip out the ICON ones...
Chris,
I'll go about generating the file per your previous email, and then get
back in touch with you about packaging.
What's the drop-dead date for including an updated fedora-bookmarks in
F13 Beta?
Thanks,
Max
10:26 a.m.
New subject: F13 (and onward) default bookmarks
On 03/17/2010 08:19 AM, Max Spevack wrote:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Christopher Aillon wrote:
> Man, good question. I think that it might be required per the actual
> spec, but I don't know how much it matters in practice. Anyway, it's
> pretty easy to do things the way I outlined in my last mail, so I
> typically just do it that way which adds all the needed tags, though I
> do have to manually strip out the ICON ones...
Chris,
I'll go about generating the file per your previous email, and then get
back in touch with you about packaging.
What's the drop-dead date for including an updated fedora-bookmarks in
F13 Beta?
Work quickly! Beta freeze is Tuesday.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
3:05 p.m.
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Christopher Aillon wrote:
Work quickly! Beta freeze is Tuesday.
Hey Chris,
Take a look here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Bookmarks
I've got a link on that page (and below as [1]) to the updated
default-bookmarks.html and the updated spec file. You can give the spec
file a sanity check (I bumped version & release, added changelog), and
then hopefully get the package updated for the beta freeze.
I'd like to revisit the formal ownership of the package post F13. For
the moment, I just want to get the updated file in.
Thanks for your help, and shout if I've screwed something up.
--Max
[1] http://mspevack.fedorapeople.org/fedora-13-bookmarks/
10:04 p.m.
New subject: F13 (and onward) default bookmarks
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Christopher Aillon wrote:
> Work quickly! Beta freeze is Tuesday.
Hey Chris,
Take a look here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Bookmarks
I've got a link on that page (and below as [1]) to the updated
default-bookmarks.html and the updated spec file. You can give the spec
file a sanity check (I bumped version & release, added changelog), and
then hopefully get the package updated for the beta freeze.
I'd like to revisit the formal ownership of the package post F13. For
the moment, I just want to get the updated file in.
Thanks for your help, and shout if I've screwed something up.
--Max
[1] http://mspevack.fedorapeople.org/fedora-13-bookmarks/
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This is one reason that I think that marketing (and most other groups
within Fedora) need some people who pick up packaging on the side.
Docs had a similar experience and simply handed things like Release
Notes over the wall to people like Jesse Keating to get included.
There are now several packagers within the group and they handle this
themselves.
Taking ownership of the entire process is a good thing, long term IMO.
It also doesn't hurt to lean a bit more about another facet of Fedora.
7:59 p.m.
New subject: F13 (and onward) default bookmarks
On 03/15/2010 02:49 PM, Max Spevack wrote:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Christopher Aillon wrote:
> Max, is there a better person to maintain this? I'm okay with co-owing
> and helping out the new maintainer, but I probably shouldn't be the
> primary owner.
I assume that from a package ownership point of view, this is virtually
trivial? Is there *anything* difficult about integrating this package
into the rest of Firefox & the distro, or is it really basically the
easiest package in all of Fedora to own, and could be taken off of your
hands entirely, thus freeing you of this every-now-and-then ping?
It's got some work to it, but not much. I created the package with ease
of packaging in mind.
Basically, to bump it, one would do the following:
* Add the bookmarks to your running Firefox
* Find the top level 'Bookmarks' menu, then click 'Organize Bookmarks'
* Click 'Import & Backup' > 'Export HTML'
* save the file
* To make legal happy, remove any ICON="..." occurrences in the file. I
generally just gedit and manually remove them.
* Load the file in firefox (File > Open File) just to sanity check
* Overwrite default-bookmarks.html in the package directory
* Bump the spec file and add a changelog entry
* commit, tag, build
> For the time being though, I can make the change if this is what
> marketing's agreed on.
I'd like to let people take a look at the proposal for F13 and ack it in
the next Fedora Marketing meeting, then get the update done by either
you or a new owner.
Sure. Let me know.
7:27 a.m.
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Basically, to bump it, one would do the following:
I made a (starter) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_bookmarks_SOP
from Chris's instructions.
How do we make sure this process happens every release if Chris decides
this is an easy package that $somebody_else should own (to take a tiny
bit more weight off his shoulders)?
--Mel
6:31 p.m.
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 08:27:53AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
> Basically, to bump it, one would do the following:
I made a (starter) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_bookmarks_SOP
from Chris's instructions.
How do we make sure this process happens every release if Chris decides
this is an easy package that $somebody_else should own (to take a tiny
bit more weight off his shoulders)?
Set a schedule item up with the Fedora program manager. We simply
check in at an opportune time before the final development freeze
(pre-Beta, i.e. where we are right now for F13, seems just fine)
to see whether changes are needed, and if so, whether a change of
hands is needed/desired.
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10:20 p.m.
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On 03/18/2010 07:31 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 08:27:53AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
>> Basically, to bump it, one would do the following:
>
> I made a (starter) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_bookmarks_SOP
> from Chris's instructions.
>
> How do we make sure this process happens every release if Chris decides
> this is an easy package that $somebody_else should own (to take a tiny
> bit more weight off his shoulders)?
Set a schedule item up with the Fedora program manager. We simply
check in at an opportune time before the final development freeze
(pre-Beta, i.e. where we are right now for F13, seems just fine)
to see whether changes are needed, and if so, whether a change of
hands is needed/desired.
/me pings the poelcat (hi, John!)
Paul, were you suggesting that this be added to the marketing schedule,
or some other schedule? (doesn't matter to me, though if it can be
foisted on someone else that's entirely fine. ;)
--Mel
12:40 a.m.
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Mel Chua said the following on 03/18/2010 08:20 PM Pacific Time:
On 03/18/2010 07:31 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 08:27:53AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
>>> Basically, to bump it, one would do the following:
>>
>> I made a (starter) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_bookmarks_SOP
>> from Chris's instructions.
>>
>> How do we make sure this process happens every release if Chris decides
>> this is an easy package that $somebody_else should own (to take a tiny
>> bit more weight off his shoulders)?
>
> Set a schedule item up with the Fedora program manager. We simply
> check in at an opportune time before the final development freeze
> (pre-Beta, i.e. where we are right now for F13, seems just fine)
> to see whether changes are needed, and if so, whether a change of
> hands is needed/desired.
/me pings the poelcat (hi, John!)
Paul, were you suggesting that this be added to the marketing schedule,
or some other schedule? (doesn't matter to me, though if it can be
foisted on someone else that's entirely fine. ;)
--Mel
It makes sense to me to add it to the marketing schedule if you guys
plan to own this tasks. I also have your request from IRC to make the
other addition to the schedule too, though it may take me a little time
to get to it.
John
12:59 a.m.
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On 03/19/2010 01:40 AM, John Poelstra wrote:
Mel Chua said the following on 03/18/2010 08:20 PM Pacific Time:
> On 03/18/2010 07:31 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 08:27:53AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
>>>> Basically, to bump it, one would do the following:
>>>
>>> I made a (starter) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_bookmarks_SOP
>>> from Chris's instructions.
>>>
>>> How do we make sure this process happens every release if Chris decides
>>> this is an easy package that $somebody_else should own (to take a tiny
>>> bit more weight off his shoulders)?
>>
>> Set a schedule item up with the Fedora program manager. We simply
>> check in at an opportune time before the final development freeze
>> (pre-Beta, i.e. where we are right now for F13, seems just fine)
>> to see whether changes are needed, and if so, whether a change of
>> hands is needed/desired.
>
> /me pings the poelcat (hi, John!)
>
> Paul, were you suggesting that this be added to the marketing schedule,
> or some other schedule? (doesn't matter to me, though if it can be
> foisted on someone else that's entirely fine. ;)
>
> --Mel
>
It makes sense to me to add it to the marketing schedule if you guys
plan to own this tasks. I also have your request from IRC to make the
other addition to the schedule too, though it may take me a little time
to get to it.
Worksforme on both counts - thanks, John!
--Mel
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