(08:00:43 PM) inode0: Ok, let's being the meeting tonight with Roll Call
(08:00:46 PM) Quickstart: true
(08:00:47 PM) inode0: begin
(08:01:00 PM) ***ke4qqq is here
(08:01:06 PM) Quickstart: QUICKSTART HERE
(08:01:20 PM) crossbytes: crossbytes here
(08:01:21 PM) ***DemonJester present
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(08:02:07 PM) DemonJester: doesnt like us
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(08:02:16 PM) inode0: for the new folks hit the meeting page to see
tonight's agenda please
(08:02:27 PM) herlo: it's in the topic
(08:02:32 PM) inode0: Announcements ...
(08:02:39 PM) inode0: I have two
(08:02:51 PM) ***herlo has one
(08:02:59 PM) Quickstart: inode the meeting page is blank
(08:03:02 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm just kibitzing :)
(08:03:12 PM) herlo: Quickstart: no it's not
(08:03:17 PM) inode0: (1) during last week's discussion about BarCamps
we recruited coverage at the St. Louis BarCamp this month
(08:03:53 PM) inode0: hopefully we have a new ambassador in that area,
plan is to propose a cobbler talk
(08:04:05 PM) herlo: cool!
(08:04:08 PM) ke4qqq: +1
(08:04:11 PM) Quickstart: sounds good
(08:04:17 PM) ke4qqq: is it on /Events?
(08:04:20 PM) loupgaroublond: when is it?
(08:04:37 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: you mean /FedoraEvents :)
(08:04:46 PM) inode0: oh, I'm not sure if it is ... the event is on the 13th
(08:05:18 PM) inode0: I'll talk to Jimmy about getting it on the
events page if it isn't
(08:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: no - I mean http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
(08:05:45 PM) ke4qqq: and yes I know it's redirect, but
(08:05:54 PM) herlo: see :)
(08:05:54 PM) Quickstart: where is the BarCamp located?
(08:05:58 PM) herlo: st louis
(08:06:01 PM) inode0: (2) previously I announced Max Spevack's
February IRC class
(08:06:21 PM) inode0: A second one has been added for this Saturday
(08:06:29 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom
(08:06:50 PM) inode0: Please try to attend one of them even though
both are at funny times for NA :(
(08:07:03 PM) Quickstart: will do
(08:07:07 PM) ke4qqq: is this worth trying to get spevack to hold
during one of our famna meetings?
(08:07:33 PM) inode0: I'll report back if I am awake at 6am this Saturday :)
(08:07:46 PM) inode0: I plan to try
(08:07:49 PM) Quickstart: *chuckle
(08:08:08 PM) inode0: I'm sure any talk by Max with us would be worthwhile
(08:08:19 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:08:32 PM) herlo: here's my announcement: just want to remind
everyone in here to blog about Fedora Classroom this week. Sooner the
better! We still need to fill most of Sunday
(08:08:41 PM) ke4qqq: yeah but 9pm EST is painful for him
(08:09:12 PM) inode0: and I'll add that there are other nice class
opportunities by some of our ambassador peers this weekend as well
(08:09:20 PM) inode0: so do consider the other classes too
(08:09:40 PM) herlo: the point of Classroom is to get people who
usually are in #fedora or on fedoraforum.org involved. But we need
topics to present. It's really not that hard and you can do a
presentation on anything relevant. I've done one on SELinux basics
and am presenting on LVM and RAID this Saturday
(08:10:04 PM) herlo: I mean just LVM
(08:10:22 PM) inode0: next item?
(08:10:45 PM) inode0: F10 Media Distribution - herlo
(08:10:47 PM) herlo: +1
(08:11:06 PM) herlo: okay, so I am starting to get requests for media
to be delivered to individual Ambassadors
(08:11:13 PM) herlo: I had one yesterday and one last week
(08:11:32 PM) herlo: I expect those to grow, but I want us to discuss
how we plan to distribute the media
(08:11:40 PM) ***ke4qqq wonders if he can make a request for media
(08:11:45 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: haha
(08:11:46 PM) herlo: yes
(08:11:51 PM) DemonJester: Regionals distibute?
(08:11:51 PM) herlo: here's the thing
(08:12:03 PM) herlo: I will get the cd's approx Dec 10
(08:12:09 PM) herlo: that's my guess
(08:12:19 PM) loupgaroublond: is the media not going through Alex in
the RH office this time?
(08:12:26 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: nope, me
(08:12:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: we were able to do it for 1/3
the price RH did media for
(08:12:42 PM) loupgaroublond: gotcha, good luck :P
(08:12:52 PM) herlo: the media that I'll be getting is *only* x86
GNOME Live stuff
(08:13:06 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: it's been easy so far, great prices too
(08:13:18 PM) Quickstart: One question regarding the media
distribution will it all consist of Live CD's or a DVD image?
(08:13:20 PM) loupgaroublond: i mean the regional distribution stuff,
that's a headache
(08:13:43 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: that's one thing we need to
discuss - hopefully tonight
(08:13:58 PM) herlo: Later this week (have to deal with my job search
first) I'll order x86_64 Live, x86 DVD and x86_65 DVDs
(08:14:01 PM) loupgaroublond: might i throw in that i always try to
bring ISOs on my laptop to events and encourage people to BYO usb
(08:14:17 PM) herlo: I have to get approval from Max for the amounts
and get the order placed with the Media company
(08:14:21 PM) ke4qqq: yeah most of us do the same thing
(08:14:29 PM) herlo: so
(08:14:35 PM) inode0: so how can we help you now herlo
(08:14:35 PM) herlo: I plan to do this in two phases
(08:14:41 PM) herlo: Phase I
(08:15:01 PM) herlo: on or around Dec 10, I will ship out deliveries
to the regional ambassadors
(08:15:16 PM) herlo: I expect to be reimbursed for this from CommArch
(08:15:33 PM) ***ke4qqq wonders if we need to setup a UPS or Fedex acct
(08:15:39 PM) herlo: the question is, should I send Media directly to
those who request?
(08:15:51 PM) herlo: or should I let the regionals handle that
(08:15:59 PM) DemonJester: I wouldnt, direct them to the regionals
(08:16:04 PM) ke4qqq: depends on timeliness in my mind
(08:16:09 PM) ke4qqq: if they need it by the 15th
(08:16:11 PM) herlo: I don't know who is going to pay for that cost
(08:16:13 PM) ke4qqq: ship it to them
(08:16:14 PM) inode0: if it can get to STL in time I'd appreciate you
sending that one direct
(08:16:28 PM) ke4qqq: if it can wait a week or two, let us handle it.
(08:16:31 PM) loupgaroublond: ke4qqq, have you talked to max about
using the RH fedex account?
(08:16:33 PM) inode0: if not, he will need to deal with it
(08:16:42 PM) herlo: now you understand that I will be in a money
crunch situation for the short term until I land a new job
(08:16:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: I have not
(08:16:51 PM) ke4qqq: so
(08:16:53 PM) herlo: so that's my only other concern
(08:16:55 PM) ke4qqq: my understanding all along
(08:17:04 PM) ke4qqq: was that shipping media would be funded from events
(08:17:14 PM) herlo: probably will
(08:17:25 PM) herlo: but we should probably have an account set up so
we can just pay it monthly
(08:17:28 PM) herlo: or quarterly
(08:17:37 PM) herlo: I'm sure that's what RH does
(08:17:55 PM) ke4qqq: I'm not, but that's what we talked about
(08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq: the other option there is to retain some
ourselves and ship the balance to Alex
(08:18:11 PM) herlo: if that can get set up soon, I can ship Live
Media to anyone who requests because I will just drop it at the
Fedex/UPS drop location
(08:18:23 PM) ke4qqq: and let her use the RH fedex acct
(08:18:37 PM) herlo: so that seems like double costs
(08:18:54 PM) herlo: ship them to her so she can ship them back to us
or people in our region?
(08:19:10 PM) ke4qqq: yes
(08:19:19 PM) ke4qqq: as she did with F9
(08:19:19 PM) herlo: I think we can probably get an account set up
easily enough and in plenty of time
(08:19:22 PM) ke4qqq: ok
(08:19:28 PM) inode0: it isn't much different than shipping them to us
to ship out again really
(08:19:34 PM) herlo: well, sure, but she had them shipped to her only
(08:19:35 PM) ke4qqq: if we do, that's great
(08:19:47 PM) herlo: oh, but it is different
(08:19:52 PM) herlo: here's how
(08:19:52 PM) ke4qqq: I like the idea of it coming to us
(08:19:56 PM) DemonJester: I woudl say if time is short ship it
directly, if not direct them to the regionals
(08:19:57 PM) ke4qqq: gives us more involvement
(08:19:58 PM) loupgaroublond: to ship to her is much cheaper than
shipping out to individuals, because you get bulk pricing
(08:20:08 PM) inode0: so do I, we should handle it all if at all possible
(08:20:08 PM) herlo: I think I can even get the media company to ship
them directly to each of the regionals
(08:20:24 PM) ke4qqq: I think that is included in the price
(08:20:28 PM) ***DemonJester agrees with inode0
(08:20:44 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I am not so sure. But I think that's
what I'll tell them to do...
(08:20:55 PM) ke4qqq: but if there are concerns - I'd rather not have
egg on my face b/c we can't deliver
(08:21:01 PM) ke4qqq: we know alex can handle it
(08:21:13 PM) herlo: there are 4 of us, we'll be able to deliver
(08:21:25 PM) herlo: if you aren't available, the other regionals can cover it
(08:21:29 PM) ke4qqq: k
(08:21:31 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:21:34 PM) herlo: that's a reasonable thing to expect
(08:22:05 PM) herlo: so let m eget this straight
(08:22:19 PM) Quickstart: I have a suggestion you could always place
all the copies on a spool and send the envelopes seperate
(08:22:25 PM) Quickstart: may save on cost
(08:22:39 PM) herlo: I will tell the Media company to ship directly to
the 4 ambassadors
(08:22:57 PM) herlo: Quickstart: it actually won't be much different,
matters of fractions of a penny each
(08:23:24 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, that only matters when
dealing in bulk like 10k+ and then only if the CDs come from one plant
and the sleeves from another
(08:23:28 PM) herlo: then when the funds are approved for the other 3
batches, we'll get those orderd and delivered asap
(08:23:30 PM) Quickstart: oh ic
(08:23:31 PM) herlo: same process
(08:23:49 PM) DemonJester: sounds like a plan :)
(08:24:06 PM) pcalarco: apologies for being late, all
(08:24:07 PM) herlo: I'll also talk with max (is it?) to see about
getting an Ambassaors FedEx/UPS account
(08:24:17 PM) inode0: np pcalarco, glad to see you
(08:24:19 PM) ke4qqq: whats our timelines on getting other media started
(08:24:21 PM) herlo: inode0: mind tasking me with that?
(08:24:32 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: depends on the budget approval
(08:24:40 PM) herlo: I plan on talking with Max about that tomorrow morning
(08:24:46 PM) inode0: herlo: sure
(08:24:46 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: /me doesn't think we need to get blessing
to setup the account
(08:25:05 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: it's not about getting a blessing. It's
about making sure it'll get funded
(08:25:25 PM) herlo: setting up the account can probably be done
online right now
(08:25:35 PM) ke4qqq: right
(08:25:39 PM) herlo: any other questions?
(08:25:53 PM) ke4qqq: well we can handle that easily enough -
(08:25:58 PM) DemonJester: hurry hurry hurry with the delivery :)
(08:25:59 PM) herlo: yes, I think so
(08:26:05 PM) ke4qqq: just refuse to send media if we don't get money :)
(08:26:05 PM) herlo: DemonJester: I'll do my best
(08:26:10 PM) DemonJester: :)
(08:26:11 PM) herlo: lol
(08:26:40 PM) loupgaroublond: any chance to get media by the end of
next week? the lug here's clamoring for hot off the presses media
(08:26:50 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: nope, not likely
(08:27:04 PM) ke4qqq: unless they are willing to pay for overnight shipping
(08:27:09 PM) Quickstart: you could always lightscribe them on some
discs cost a pretty penny
(08:27:24 PM) loupgaroublond: ok, USB sticks it is
(08:27:34 PM) herlo: burning your own is never a bad idea, but pressed
media is *so* much prettier
(08:27:50 PM) DemonJester: herlo: you had to go there didnt ya? ;)
(08:28:01 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: if they are done sooner, I'll let
you all know
(08:28:19 PM) Quickstart: well they do have some stickon labels and
print cds on sale saves a bundle
(08:28:19 PM) herlo: DemonJester: of course ;)
(08:28:23 PM) DemonJester: lol
(08:28:32 PM) herlo: inode0: I'm done I think
(08:28:35 PM) Quickstart: the print cds only need a compatible printer
lol that may cost something
(08:28:43 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, no worries, it's just that we
moved to a new community center location, and left a few ubuntu CDs at
the reception desk, i'm itching to replace them with nice looking
(08:28:56 PM) inode0: Q4 Goals ...
(08:29:15 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: did you want to talk some about this one
to get us started?
(08:29:19 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: me too
(08:29:20 PM) DemonJester: 1. have loupgaroublond hand out Fedora cd's
instead of Ubuntu :)
(08:29:25 PM) ke4qqq: sure I'll get it started
(08:29:28 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: +1
(08:29:39 PM) ke4qqq: So we want 3 BarCamps this quarter
(08:29:46 PM) ke4qqq: it sounds like 2 are already scheduled
(08:29:50 PM) ke4qqq: we need one more
(08:29:54 PM) ke4qqq: sooooooooo
(08:30:12 PM) ***herlo is going to possibly plan one for March/April timeframe
(08:30:16 PM) ***inode0 goes to look at the list again
(08:30:22 PM) ke4qqq: 1. Regional peeps, start scoping a coercing
people to 'own' a barcamp
(08:30:23 PM) herlo: not Q4 though
(08:30:46 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I am presenting in PA this weekend
hopefully get someone interested in picking up the HBG one in Jan.
(08:30:58 PM) ke4qqq: we are currently the _only_ sponsor for
(08:31:02 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: COOL!!!!!
(08:31:12 PM) ke4qqq: after the event in Harrisburg we should have
some peepe sthere
(08:31:23 PM) DemonJester: I have 3 different schools lined up right now.
(08:31:28 PM) loupgaroublond: DemonJester, is that you going to harrisburg?
(08:31:29 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding
(08:31:42 PM) DemonJester: yep
(08:31:52 PM) loupgaroublond: awesome, we have good traction there :)
(08:32:27 PM) ke4qqq: so next up is # of contributors
(08:32:32 PM) ke4qqq: I hate chasing numbers like this
(08:32:40 PM) ke4qqq: BUT I don't know what else quantifiably we can chase
(08:32:41 PM) ***herlo thinks we shouldn't then
(08:32:50 PM) ***ke4qqq is open to other options
(08:33:08 PM) ke4qqq: I know it's like # of speeding tickets written,
or number of people taken to jail
(08:33:09 PM) herlo: what about tracking # of new projects in Fedora
by quarter or something?
(08:33:27 PM) ke4qqq: I think we have precious little control over that
(08:33:29 PM) loupgaroublond: how about policy instead of quota, the
goal is to write policy on how to encourage new and persistant fas
signups rather than just counting numbers
(08:33:32 PM) herlo: I mean they do announce the new Ambassadors.
(08:33:41 PM) ke4qqq: or at least I haven't been trying to recruit
(08:33:58 PM) ke4qqq: in that way
(08:34:01 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: that goes back to our mentoring
discussions a couple months back ++1
(08:34:16 PM) ke4qqq: yeah - we need to get that started again as an aside
(08:34:24 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps we want to do # of events
(08:34:31 PM) herlo: could do
(08:34:37 PM) Quickstart: we can always get college recruits and forum hunts
(08:34:39 PM) ke4qqq: but I don't want to show up to just hand out media
(08:34:42 PM) Quickstart: as well as facebool
(08:34:46 PM) herlo: that' would be easier to track, and I think that
was my point of making the FedoraEvents page have reporting
(08:35:03 PM) ke4qqq: part of it is conversations, business card exchanges, etc.
(08:35:14 PM) loupgaroublond: one thing we can do though is encourage
the use of the 'show' plugin in FAS when signing up new contributers
(08:35:38 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm going to do a rush of ekg
development over winter break, i can definitely integrate the two
(08:36:29 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: can you clarify to me what that
(08:36:31 PM) Quickstart: could it be a requierment to become a
contributer and have a contributer group for FAS
(08:36:49 PM) ke4qqq: thats cla_done
(08:36:51 PM) herlo: Quickstart: that's signed_CLA afaik
(08:36:57 PM) herlo: :)
(08:37:04 PM) ke4qqq: stop it herlo!
(08:37:05 PM) ke4qqq: lol
(08:37:08 PM) Quickstart: oh IC k
(08:37:10 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's a specialized 'sign up' page
that you can use at the events that adds a label to sign-up-ees that
tracks where they signed up
(08:37:11 PM) DemonJester: deja vu :)
(08:37:24 PM) Quickstart: well I am a noob so try to learn as much lol
(08:37:26 PM) ke4qqq: yeah we talked about that last quarter iirc
(08:37:28 PM) loupgaroublond: i originally intended it to provide
ambassadors a good way to follow up with people after the event
(08:37:57 PM) ke4qqq: my concern there is that I hand out business
cards - and I people email me - and half the time I don't remember
(08:38:10 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: not at this point, but that's
something that we made possible recently with the new dns structure
(08:38:13 PM) ke4qqq: so pointing them to chaslug.join.fp.o doesn't work
(08:38:21 PM) ***ianweller lurks
(08:38:28 PM) loupgaroublond: 'lo ianweller
(08:38:28 PM) herlo: we could easily create a olf.fedoraproject.org
page that had sign up info
(08:38:31 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: participate
(08:38:31 PM) ***inode0 still wants cake
(08:38:47 PM) ***ianweller throws a pie at inode0
(08:38:48 PM) ianweller: inode0: that good?
(08:38:51 PM) ***ianweller stops distracting
(08:38:57 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, how about
http://admin.fp.o/accounts/show/join/fudcon11 for example?
(08:38:57 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: your url is better
(08:39:06 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: no, that's too long
(08:39:21 PM) herlo: but the idea is the same with what we were
suggesting and even that was the point
(08:39:30 PM) ianweller: ya know, you could probably set up an
http://events.fp.o/$EVENTSHORTNAME that would redirect to the accounts
(08:39:35 PM) herlo: someone just needs to code the web stuff...
(08:39:39 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's not a URL to pass out to
people, it's just meant to be used as a home page for test machines at
events and shows
(08:39:51 PM) ianweller: oh
(08:39:51 PM) ianweller: hmm
(08:39:52 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: why not?
(08:39:55 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's coded, i did it
(08:40:02 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: that's what I thought
(08:40:08 PM) herlo: I just didn't know who did it
(08:40:09 PM) ianweller: oh ricky and i were actually discussing doing
a crazy thing that would track identi.ca posts, planet feeds, and
flickr photos for events
(08:40:20 PM) herlo: ianweller: get to work!
(08:40:23 PM) herlo: :)
(08:40:32 PM) herlo: inode0: assign that to ianweller :) :) :)
(08:40:32 PM) ke4qqq: yeah we don't do that much in US - I know EMEA
does it - but I hate telling people to sign up then and there - I
think it inflates numbers
(08:40:32 PM) ianweller: mokay!
(08:40:44 PM) ianweller: we were gonna have it auto-refresh but i
decided against that, too much work. just doing it like that is simple
(08:41:06 PM) loupgaroublond: ke4qqq, my original intention was that
the ambassadors could go back over the list and say 'i recognize these
five peeople, let me send them a personalized follow up email'
(08:41:07 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: what if we gave out cards that
had olf.join.fp.o on them for each event. Something simple to go in
the Media or something
(08:41:14 PM) herlo: they could sign up at their leisure that way
(08:41:17 PM) Quickstart: I can help out with the html code
(08:41:32 PM) Quickstart: I may need a graphic designer to create the link tabs
(08:41:38 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: well that'd be another way anyway
(08:41:42 PM) ke4qqq: interesting - yeah we do a poor job of follow up
(08:41:47 PM) ke4qqq: IMO
(08:41:47 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, no objections :), so long as
there is a commitment from the ambassadors to follow up one way or
(08:41:51 PM) herlo: NA sucks at follow-up
(08:41:53 PM) herlo: :)
(08:41:57 PM) ***herlo is the worst offender
(08:42:17 PM) ianweller: ya know what, i'm actually gonna get started
on that concept right now by asking mmcgrath some questions over in
(08:42:22 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: but if someone were to sigh up,
we could get that info
(08:42:24 PM) loupgaroublond: ok, agenda item, modify the
indoctrination materials to include a section on follow up :)
(08:42:35 PM) herlo: hehe
(08:42:39 PM) ke4qqq: indoctrination materials heh
(08:42:41 PM) ***herlo points at spevack
(08:42:50 PM) herlo: and his classroom sessions
(08:43:00 PM) ke4qqq: what else cna we measure and set as a goal
(08:43:02 PM) ke4qqq: ?
(08:43:03 PM) ke4qqq: ?
(08:43:07 PM) loupgaroublond: let me shoot an email over to max real
quick about that then
(08:43:09 PM) Quickstart: One question: could there be a timed script
that will popup when demos are being shown?
(08:43:31 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, why?
(08:43:47 PM) Quickstart: well it could be a good way to collect
follow up information
(08:43:57 PM) Quickstart: or have an extra ambassador to do signups
(08:44:17 PM) ke4qqq: I know this sounds old school, but I don't think
you can beat talking to people, getting their contact info and
(08:44:26 PM) ke4qqq: even if the goal isn't to make them a contributor
(08:44:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: right, which is the point I was making
(08:44:36 PM) crossbytes: +1
(08:44:54 PM) herlo: give them a card, and some Media, hopefully they
sign up, but we need to do our part as well
(08:44:58 PM) Quickstart: true
(08:45:18 PM) ke4qqq: part of it - is building relationships (the
(08:45:44 PM) Quickstart: thats true more friendlier then the new
automated phone systems
(08:46:21 PM) crossbytes: +1 +1 ke4qqq old school networking
(08:46:30 PM) ke4qqq: anyway - back to goals - what else can we measure
(08:46:39 PM) ke4qqq: # of events? and if so how many do we want for
(08:46:45 PM) ke4qqq: or something completely different?
(08:47:50 PM) Quickstart: well I was thinking in the upcomming year
doing a talk about Linux at my old college
(08:47:54 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: the FedoraEvents page should be where the
# of events is tracked
(08:48:19 PM) inode0: Quickstart: that is great and should be listed as an event
(08:48:30 PM) ke4qqq: cool Quickstart please list it as an event so
you can get funding
(08:49:00 PM) inode0: and that is something I think should be
encouraged and could be a goal ... local talks which every ambassador
should be able to do
(08:49:18 PM) herlo: if everyone is encouraged to put events, no
matter how minor (isn't that what we've been doing?) it'll be easy to
(08:49:36 PM) ke4qqq: 30 events this quarter?
(08:49:56 PM) inode0: how about more than the same quarter last year? just grow?
(08:50:01 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: Q4?
(08:50:06 PM) Quickstart: it could work
(08:50:13 PM) herlo: inode0: +1
(08:50:24 PM) ke4qqq: yes
(08:50:34 PM) Quickstart: I just need to get some permissions and it
is a small college, but I have some contacts should be soon
(08:50:42 PM) ke4qqq: how many were there last year in NA?
(08:50:49 PM) ke4qqq: I say we double?
(08:51:24 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: 20%
(08:51:33 PM) ke4qqq: lets see the numbers first
(08:51:45 PM) herlo: here's my problem with constant growth
(08:52:02 PM) herlo: at some point, there will be a deficit in growth
(08:52:17 PM) herlo: it's bound to happen, we can't always grow
(08:52:24 PM) ke4qqq: yes this is for this quarter only
(08:52:34 PM) ke4qqq: there look to have been 3 events last Q4
(08:52:37 PM) inode0: goals aren't always met
(08:52:40 PM) Quickstart: that's true life cycle
(08:52:41 PM) herlo: I just want to point out that we should plan this quarterly
(08:53:10 PM) inode0: agrees
(08:53:11 PM) herlo: so Q4 2007 v Q4 2008 would be good
(08:53:16 PM) ke4qqq: right
(08:53:22 PM) ke4qqq: Q407 == 3 NA events
(08:53:26 PM) ke4qqq: from what I see
(08:53:32 PM) inode0: we can spank that
(08:53:34 PM) herlo: Q408 == 10
(08:53:34 PM) ke4qqq: anyone have a problem with wanting more than that?
(08:53:37 PM) DemonJester: is this any event?
(08:53:44 PM) herlo: DemonJester: yes
(08:53:51 PM) herlo: I don't see why not
(08:53:53 PM) DemonJester: I mean I am having 4 myself in the next week?
(08:53:58 PM) ke4qqq: 10 are already on the board
(08:54:07 PM) herlo: next years numbers will be a better comparison
(08:54:14 PM) DemonJester: herlo: +1
(08:54:23 PM) herlo: because we've been more vigilant about getting
evetns on the board
(08:54:29 PM) Quickstart: I have a suggestion what usually is the
target audience for Fedora users?
(08:54:40 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: depends it varies
(08:54:43 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, you'll get a million answers for that
(08:55:14 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: humans
(08:55:25 PM) DemonJester: if they are able to make it to the event in
one shape or another they are the targeted audience :)
(08:55:43 PM) herlo: DemonJester: +1
(08:56:01 PM) ke4qqq: 10 are already on the board
(08:56:04 PM) inode0: I'm comfortable with throwing a number like
15-20 at this quarter as a goal
(08:56:14 PM) DemonJester: agrees
(08:56:19 PM) ***herlo wants 12
(08:56:23 PM) Quickstart: true well I just wanted to ask because there
are alot of convencions in the NYC area and mostly we can start a both
at a Ani con
(08:56:27 PM) ***ke4qqq wants 15
(08:56:43 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: anywhere you can get a booth
(08:56:47 PM) ***ianweller wants 238423
(08:56:47 PM) ke4qqq: is a place we want to be
(08:56:52 PM) ianweller: what are we talking about? :P
(08:56:57 PM) ke4qqq: how many are you holding ianweller ???
(08:57:02 PM) Quickstart: ok I'll se what I can find
(08:57:09 PM) ***ianweller stops distracting again
(08:57:34 PM) ke4qqq: anything else we want as goals
(08:57:43 PM) ke4qqq: ??
(08:58:01 PM) loupgaroublond: if you want small events on the board, i
can certainly add a few
(08:58:05 PM) DemonJester: yes have a min. of 2 FADs this year
(08:58:07 PM) ke4qqq: please do
(08:58:12 PM) loupgaroublond: there are barcamps and OSM meetings coming up here
(08:58:13 PM) inode0: loupgaroublond: do, add all events
(08:58:16 PM) ke4qqq: that outside this quarter though
(08:58:38 PM) inode0: we want to know about events of all sorts desperately
(08:58:42 PM) ke4qqq: yeah and take money to sponsor them - Max siad
we'd make money for that
(08:59:14 PM) herlo: if you know about it and can represent fedora in
some way there, add it!
(08:59:29 PM) Quickstart: How bout a party?
(08:59:40 PM) inode0: release parties are definitely events
(08:59:51 PM) herlo: :)
(08:59:54 PM) herlo: add it!
(08:59:59 PM) herlo: add it!
(09:00:01 PM) ke4qqq: My personal goal for this quarter is to 'own'
barcamps - have as many covered and even sponsored as we can
(09:00:01 PM) herlo: add it!
(09:00:04 PM) Quickstart: the thing is that I don't know if the latest
release party is available in my area
(09:00:22 PM) herlo: Quickstart: what do you mean available?
(09:00:24 PM) Quickstart: I'll see what I can do and report it next meeting
(09:00:41 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: work with DemonJester - he'll get
you squared away
(09:00:41 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: jds2001 is holding one sometime
this month iirc
(09:00:45 PM) Quickstart: well I haven't heard anything about a
release part for 10
(09:01:01 PM) ke4qqq: if it isn't on /Events
(09:01:03 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, do you have connections to
otherp eople in your area who are interested in getting an
introduction to linux? even just 3-4 people?
(09:01:14 PM) ke4qqq: then it prolly isn't happening
(09:01:19 PM) inode0: ok, we have one interesting task list item on
the agenda, so I'd like to move to it soon
(09:01:20 PM) ke4qqq: so just schedule one and go with it
(09:01:22 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: you should have already
received an email from me earlier this week
(09:01:34 PM) herlo: Quickstart: you can make it happen :)
(09:01:37 PM) Quickstart: well neighbor is one father's class and I
could get something going on in the alma matre
(09:01:41 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: I surrender the floor
(09:02:13 PM) Quickstart: I just need sometime right now
(09:02:19 PM) inode0: DemonJester: hang around for me after the
meeting please ...
(09:02:26 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: if you need help let me know.
(09:02:29 PM) DemonJester: inode0: ok
(09:02:35 PM) Quickstart: give me two wks to get situated
(09:02:41 PM) inode0: Bulk ordering event swag - DemonJester
(09:02:43 PM) Quickstart: k DJester
(09:02:59 PM) DemonJester: bear with me on this one.
(09:03:06 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, all you need to do is get
them all together, maybe at your house, maybe at a coffee shop, and
just pass around a few Install CDs ;)
(09:03:10 PM) ***herlo hires the bear!
(09:03:21 PM) DemonJester: I would like to get a buk order together
for swag (shirts, stickers, etc)
(09:03:25 PM) DemonJester: bulk
(09:03:38 PM) ke4qqq: stickers should already be ordered
(09:03:38 PM) DemonJester: I am not sure if we could get funding for
this ahead of time or not
(09:03:40 PM) herlo: +1
(09:03:46 PM) Quickstart: Well I was thinking on doing something for
my dads Web Class just need to have a Live CD with Bluefish though
(09:03:48 PM) ke4qqq: but I'd like toadd tattoos
(09:03:51 PM) ke4qqq: to your mix
(09:04:06 PM) DemonJester: my thought is this if we already have them
made it makes distributing them much easier
(09:04:19 PM) ke4qqq: I don't think so
(09:04:20 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, i'll PM you information
about making spins
(09:04:22 PM) ke4qqq: but it's more cost effective
(09:04:26 PM) inode0: rolls of infinity stickers or fedora inside
style stickers are in high demand
(09:04:27 PM) ***herlo also wants to make more standard type stickers,
you know rectangle ones that fit over the slot where your floppy used
(09:04:31 PM) Quickstart: k
(09:04:44 PM) herlo: inode0: called 'case badges'
(09:04:53 PM) inode0: yes
(09:04:58 PM) DemonJester: I recently ran into a problem trying to get
shirts at a decent price but the order was to small and the cost was
high so I scrapped the idea
(09:05:15 PM) ke4qqq: well we are unlikely to get all of it... - lets
pick the 'high value' swag targets
(09:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: and email max tonight!
(09:05:27 PM) herlo: DemonJester: generaly bulk order is a good idea,
since we'll need them for AmbassadorKit
(09:05:37 PM) DemonJester: would it be possible to get funding for
something like this. I am thinking 300 shirts to start
(09:05:52 PM) DemonJester: plus "Powered by Fedora" laptop stickers
(09:06:09 PM) herlo: this is what I want: * One DIY box /
container * 20 LiveCDs (3 DVDs) only 10 will fit in the box * T-Shirt
(1-2) * Fedora stickers (10 sheets) * Fedora buttons (10 or so) *
Fedora labeled USB sticks (4-5, costly, so initial efforts won't
(09:06:29 PM) herlo: buttons, stickers and tshirts seem to be the order
(09:06:35 PM) herlo: and maybe tattoos
(09:06:39 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: 300 shirts is likely 1800 bucks - but maybe
(09:06:48 PM) DemonJester: herlo: usb stics 2 gigs for $7.00 a piece
(09:06:57 PM) ke4qqq: buttons, stickers (already made) and tattoos are cheap.
(09:07:01 PM) Quickstart: well at staples they have this thing where
you can get a spindle of 10 for 10.00 its just trying to get the
labels is an issue
(09:07:01 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: nope about $1000
(09:07:08 PM) ke4qqq: really - that's good pricing
(09:07:26 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: exactly the more you order the
better the price.
(09:07:28 PM) ke4qqq: we should try for that
(09:07:44 PM) herlo: I think that's doable
(09:07:47 PM) herlo: +2
(09:07:50 PM) ke4qqq: me too
(09:08:04 PM) ke4qqq: esp since we'll effectively have most of the swag cost -
(09:08:10 PM) ke4qqq: we got what 4500 last quarter for NA
(09:08:16 PM) ke4qqq: so 20% shouldn't be a problem
(09:08:22 PM) ke4qqq: as long as we have funding for media
(09:09:07 PM) Quickstart: thats true
(09:09:19 PM) herlo: media should be in addition to that cost
(09:09:24 PM) DemonJester: herlo: can you ask max about this when you
talk with him?
(09:09:38 PM) herlo: DemonJester: sure, inode0 add that to the task :)
(09:09:48 PM) herlo: please
(09:09:49 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: can you send details on the pricing
you have seen?
(09:10:00 PM) DemonJester: to the list?
(09:10:10 PM) ke4qqq: list works
(09:10:13 PM) inode0: herlo: your phone call to max is a task now?
(09:10:27 PM) herlo: not a phone call
(09:10:33 PM) DemonJester: herlo: thanks :)
(09:10:35 PM) ke4qqq: well gents - I must depart
(09:10:37 PM) DemonJester: eof
(09:10:47 PM) inode0: ok, thanks ke4qqq
(09:10:49 PM) herlo: inode0: re: Media budgeting and swag budgeting
(09:10:59 PM) herlo: need a task to get that approved
(09:11:00 PM) inode0: ok herlo
(09:11:03 PM) Quickstart: take it easy ke4qqqq
(09:11:04 PM) herlo: inode0: thanks
(09:11:07 PM) ***herlo has to run as well
(09:11:08 PM) DemonJester: gnite ke4qqq
(09:11:11 PM) Quickstart: it was a pleasure meeting you
(09:11:18 PM) Quickstart: night herlo
(09:11:19 PM) DemonJester: gnite herlo
(09:11:24 PM) herlo: night all
(09:11:26 PM) ke4qqq: night all
(09:11:32 PM) inode0: ok, we have open floor now if there are any
other topics people want to discuss before we wrap
(09:11:35 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: thanks for coming let me know
if I can help
(09:12:12 PM) DemonJester: I am good.
(09:12:20 PM) ***ianweller read that as "I am god."
(09:12:23 PM) inode0: hearing none ...
(09:12:28 PM) inode0: 5
(09:12:30 PM) ***DemonJester notes that too :)
(09:12:32 PM) inode0: 4
(09:12:32 PM) Quickstart: no problem I am here
(09:12:35 PM) inode0: 3
(09:12:37 PM) Quickstart: one thing
(09:12:41 PM) inode0: ...
(09:12:43 PM) Quickstart: I noticed that there was an online
(09:12:53 PM) Quickstart: tutorial for Debian linux is there one for fedora?
(09:13:14 PM) inode0: you understand I have to start this countdown
over from the beginning when you do that Quickstart? :)
(09:13:21 PM) DemonJester: lol
(09:13:36 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: for using Debian or contributing?
(09:13:38 PM) Quickstart: sorry inode
(09:13:49 PM) inode0: just kidding Quickstart
(09:13:56 PM) Quickstart: Its an online tutorial that gives linux in a nutshell
(09:14:00 PM) Quickstart: *I know
(09:14:14 PM) Quickstart: but the tutorial is basically using Debian
(09:14:18 PM) inode0: show us a link and maybe we can point you at
(09:14:24 PM) Quickstart: I propose that we can create one for Fedora
(09:14:31 PM) Quickstart: ok
(09:14:36 PM) Quickstart: one sec
(09:14:41 PM) ***DemonJester assigns Quickstart with that task :)
(09:14:44 PM) inode0: the docs group has lots of stuff and would love
to meet you I'm sure
(09:15:45 PM) Quickstart: sure no prob a noob to teach noobs it works
(09:15:48 PM) Quickstart: lol
(09:16:06 PM) inode0: sometimes that works out well actually
(09:16:16 PM) DemonJester: learning for all....
(09:16:32 PM) DemonJester: nothing assumed that way either
(09:16:37 PM) inode0: every teacher knows you learn a lot by teaching
(09:16:47 PM) Quickstart: thats true
(09:16:49 PM) DemonJester: spokend like a true teacher :)
(09:17:05 PM) ***DemonJester I cant spell for nothing tonight..
(09:17:26 PM) inode0: Quickstart: join us in #fedora-ambassadors any
time, we can continue this there
(09:17:45 PM) ***inode0 is about to restart the countdown
(09:17:53 PM) ***DemonJester needs to create an auto-spelling
correction script for irssi.
(09:17:57 PM) inode0: 5
(09:18:02 PM) inode0: 4
(09:18:08 PM) inode0: 3
(09:18:13 PM) inode0: 2
(09:18:19 PM) inode0: 1
(09:18:23 PM) inode0: EOF
Apologies for being a week late getting these out ... I'll try to do
better in the coming weeks.
- A new ambassador has offered to represent Fedora at the St. Louis
BarCamp in December. Will propose a Cobbler session.
- Max Spevack (and others) will be doing some interesting classes on IRC
this weekend. Please attend if you can.
- Request for ambassadors to blog about IRC Classroom this week and to
volunteer to teach.
* F10 Media Distribution
- x86 Live gnome media ordered and should be available soonish
- x86_64 Live and both x86 and x86_64 DVDs to be ordered later this week
- How media will be distributed was discussed
* Should we get a UPS or FedEx account for this?
* Media will be shipped to the four regional ambassadors and they will
process requests from ambassadors for events
* Q4 Goals
- 3 BarCamps / 2 scheduled currently
- Discussion of other quantifiable goals
- Discussion of a specialized sign-up page to use at events to help
ambassadors track new contributors who sign up at events
- 12-15 events in the quarter reported on the event page
* Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks]
- Bulk ordering event swag
Brian Powell discussed some ideas about bulk ordering swag for NA.
While loads of small items can be reasonably purchased the one big
item where tremendous volume savings are possible is t-shirts. An
order of 300 t-shirts is around $1000, so we need to think about
funding this order in some way as this is way more bang for the buck
than what we've been doing.
* Open Floor
- Suggestion for a tutorial for "Fedora in a nutshell" similar to one
provided by the Debian. Need to investigate this document and compare
it with existing Fedora documentation.
I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new
ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight.
This past Saturday was the Fedora 10 release party for Utah. I
planned it apparently on a day when most folks in Utah are attending
Holiday parties or have family events. I planned for approximately 30
people to attend, bought food, the whole nine yards, and I guess I was
being *really* optimistic. However, we had just 5 people attend.
It wasn't a total loss though. We did break out the video recording
equipment that can do a screencast from boot. I believe we were able
to install Cambridge on 3 different machines and should have a good
video experience installing F10 once post-processing is completed.
The big hit was Plymouth, and I was able to modify my boot sequence
from the 'solar' to the 'pulse' theme. There are other themes, and
maybe I'll do a screencast of them in the near future. Sounds like
something fun to do actually.
Of the folks that arrived, we were able to install two machines fully,
and get one upgraded as well. In addition, we had a late arrival who
had a macbook G3 and while he had already installed F10, we tinkered
with the VESA modes to see if we could get plymouth working, but ran
out of time.
I do have a few pictures, but have yet to post them. I hope to have
them up soon.
After the FAD EMEA 2007 we changed the concept for Fedora Ambassadors
Meeting. Separate meetings per region, only monthly meeting in EMEA,
and so... After a year I think this was good decision. Especially for
North America ;-)
Some of you can remember that I was the meeting leader for the
Ambassadors Meeting for EMEA during the last year. My schedule has
changed and now I'm looking for a successor.
Your duty will be to lead the meeting, sending for a reminder in front
of the meeting, make a wiki page, keep the log, and if possible to send
a summary to the mailing list. That's all ;-)
If you want the job, add your name to the Ambassadors meeting page 
and lead your first meeting at 2008-12-17.
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Fedora always leads and never follows.
I am glad to inform you that I had conducted one more seminar for Open
source awareness for 1 hour duration at GLS BCA department on Sunday 7 th
Now every body thinking about open source right from the starting of the
There ware around 85 students present at seminar.
I feel the enthusiasm of the very young student.
They are so keen to know about every thing.
Some of the questions raised were:-
If linux is open source what about the security of the Linux ?
Why linux is virus free ?
What is the disadvantage of Open source ?
Why Linux is so stable ??
Some driver issue also discussed ?
What is the software we can use instead of adobe photoshop ?
I am going to provide 85 DVDs of fedora 10 to all students at free as fedora
I am thankful to Mr. Dhiren ( Student branch counselor ).
Also thankful to Mr. Abdul ( faculty member )
It was followed by the Open office presented by Sonal Madam ( MCA faculty
member at GLS ).
Do not have photographs will upload as soon as will get.
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As many of you noted I did not attend the town hall meetings held this
saturday, the reason being that I was out of town at the time, I hope you
can all forgive this fact; a friend of the family was getting married so I
couldnt attend; But that does not means Im not willing to answer all your
questions, you can send them here and I´ll answer inmediatly or if so you
wish, we could all attend an extra official meeting.
I truly hope we can arrange this, and if not I totally understand.
At your service
Hey, all --
Forgive me if this is off-topic -- and forgive me if this seems irrelevant,
especially to those outside the U.S. -- but I thought I'd share this RH
story that appeared in the Raleigh newspaper:
Hopefully the Associated Press picked up this story so I can run it in
tomorrow's editions of the daily newspaper for which I work.