Dear Francesco Ugolini!
In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria!
Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of
any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some
advertisement for the Fedora Project!
There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the
Fedora Ambassador Project!
So I did that and I do not regret it.
But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend!
I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time.
Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season.
The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have
to get up early...
I am sure there are also other people in my situation!
We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families!
So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can
attend when and if they want?
A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from
time,location and situation!
If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on
times I can attend, I will attend.
And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador
project, is imho just unconscionable.
There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their
life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time
to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora.
So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux,
talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora
Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador!
I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me.
Claus Reheis
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini(a)aol.it wrote:
Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they
disagree completely with this proposal.
So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate
using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to
do.
Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an
ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions
and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their
position (and they won).
Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors,
countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person
has different possibilities.
So, I hope you will think about those words.
We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most
active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried,
unsatisfied or just disappointed.
Best regards
Francesco Ugolini
-----Messaggio originario-----
Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen <marketing-list(a)fedoralinks.org>
A: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25
Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
Fabian Affolter wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD
at
> Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an
overview
> of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are
there
> always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is
> midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the
meetings.
> An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due
to
> lack of attendance.
>
> Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled!
>
> Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a
> waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people
> showed up.
>
> Are the reasons...
>
> - I don't care what the other ambassadors do.
> - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell.
> - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there.
> - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off.
> - I live in the wrong time zone.
>
> I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information
> between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done
because
> everybody have enough experience to handle it.
>
> On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project...
>
> Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings
>
> Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no
> possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for
your
> next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-)
>
> Just my thoughts...
>
> Regards,
>
> Fabian
>
> [1]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007
> [2]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join
>
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Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and
meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good
ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were
not
thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of
the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or
travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of
European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps
other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams
that
the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of
work
to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to
feed and a business to take care of.
Robert 'Bob' Jensen
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