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Re: Advertising "open core" software
by Jan Wildeboer 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

If community version is different from what we have in fedora, it makes my point about user expectations even stronger. So I remain on my position. It should be mentioned but not promoted. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Sent: Thu Apr 15 06:44:45 2010 Subject: Re: Advertising "open core" software On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > Zarafa is not positioning itself on its own website as "All advantages > of Micrososft Exchange at 50% of the costs" [1]. The version we have in > the repos also seems to have a limit of 3 outlook users according to > [2]. So in this specific case I do have some pain in promoting it. I > would even go as far as saying that if the version of Zarafa in Fedora > really has this 3 user limit it is against the philosophy and spirit of > Fedora. Get a clue of Zarafa, please. Fedora is shipping the Zarafa Open Source Collaboration, which doesn't include any proprietary software, that means there is no Outlook support at all in Fedora, even not the three mentioned Outlook users from the community edition. The community edition contains proprietary software which can be used up to three Outlook users. And the community edition of Zarafa is the Open Source edition plus the proprietary Outlook support with these given three users. Community != Open Source. Greetings, Robert

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Re: Advertising "open core" software
by Jan Wildeboer 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

You learn to behave friendly and I start listening. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Sent: Thu Apr 15 06:44:45 2010 Subject: Re: Advertising "open core" software On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > Zarafa is not positioning itself on its own website as "All advantages > of Micrososft Exchange at 50% of the costs" [1]. The version we have in > the repos also seems to have a limit of 3 outlook users according to > [2]. So in this specific case I do have some pain in promoting it. I > would even go as far as saying that if the version of Zarafa in Fedora > really has this 3 user limit it is against the philosophy and spirit of > Fedora. Get a clue of Zarafa, please. Fedora is shipping the Zarafa Open Source Collaboration, which doesn't include any proprietary software, that means there is no Outlook support at all in Fedora, even not the three mentioned Outlook users from the community edition. The community edition contains proprietary software which can be used up to three Outlook users. And the community edition of Zarafa is the Open Source edition plus the proprietary Outlook support with these given three users. Community != Open Source. Greetings, Robert

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[In the news] Fedora 13 Holds Strong Promise For Developers
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://www.efytimes.com/e1/creativenews.asp?edid=43668 "However, the road to this progress was bumpy. One of the major challenges of this release was the choice made by the Fedora team to branch Fedora 13 content earlier from the constantly moving development branch called 'Rawhide'. The challenge was well approached and conquered. "Doing that allowed us to better separate out things that are changing drastically, from those whose changes are slowing down as they get ready for the release," says Frields." Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora 13: Beta and graphics driver test week
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi, http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-13-Beta-and-graphics-driver-t… "Since the distribution, advertised with the release slogan "Rock it", went into feature freeze before the alpha version, the beta doesn't offer any major surprises; instead, the developers have focused on completing the more than 40 most important new features and on fixing bugs." Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora Study Seeks Feedback
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Fedora-Study-Seeks-Feedback Rahul

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Advertising "open core" software
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi, Open core, for those not familiar with the term is the business model of keeping some key features closed and selling a proprietary product where the "core" functionality is free and open source. Two features in the feature list are such software http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/FeatureList Zarafa groupware and IntelliJ IDEA, IDE for Java have a number of features that is only available in their proprietary product. http://www.zarafa.com/content/editions http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html Do we care? I am concerned about this. Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora 13 beta looks to streamline Linux
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://www.techworld.com.au/article/343083/fedora_13_beta_looks_streamline_… "Work contributed back to original open source projects" is a good tagline. Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora 13 Beta Available for Download and USB Testing
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://lifehacker.com/5516818/fedora-13-beta-available-for-download-and-usb… Rahul

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[in the news] Fedora 13 "Goddard" Beta Emphasizes Automation
by Kara Schiltz 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

eWeek/DesktopLinux.com 4.14.10 Fedora 13 "Goddard" Beta Emphasizes Automation By Eric Brown The Fedora project released a beta version of Fedora 13 (codenamed "Goddard"). The updated community Linux distribution <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5419916040.html#> is touted for features including automatic print-driver installation, the Btrfs filesystem, enhanced 3D <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5419916040.html#> driver support, revamped Python bindings, and the Zarafa groupware package, says the project. Full post: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5419916040.html

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Re: Advertising "open core" software
by Jan Wildeboer 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

This discussion gets out of hand and doesn't belong here. The original question was if fedora marketing material should promote open core software or not. We are not discussing feature wars of whatever project/product. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> To: Robert Scheck <robert(a)fedoraproject.org> Cc: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Sent: Wed Apr 14 18:08:58 2010 Subject: Re: Advertising "open core" software On 04/15/2010 03:23 AM, Robert Scheck wrote > Having this said, I'm pretty sure, that only less Fedora users care about > whether Zarafa in Fedora has support for Outlook or not, because most of > our Fedora users don't use Windows as their main operating system. We really don't know much about our users. They might be using Windows or they might be working on a environment where a number of *other users* are using Windows. > Maybe > you should see the benefit of what Zarafa open sourced so far: There is a > full-featured Open Source MAPI implementation and library by Zarafa, while > OpenChange provides in comparision only a few less percent of the overall > functionalities and features - they're providing basics, but did you ever > try something more extended? It doesn't work or it crashes. OpenChange is > not usable in Enterprise so far, while Zarafa (even without the > proprietary > features) is. > The whole point of MAPI is to talk to folks using Windows. So you can't really argue that Windows is irrelevant to our discussions. Even in a groupware deployment within Red Hat, blackberry integration was considered a blocker for example. No doubt that open source features are useful by itself but it should be taken into consideration that a large scale deployment very likely would have to be buying the proprietary version and IMO that should factor into our considerations of what we promote within Fedora regardless of whether you consider your work in Fedora as a "test bed". I understand you are associated with Zarafa and worked on integrating it into Fedora but my position on this concern around the model we are implicitly promoting rather than anything against the software itself. The question boils down to one simple thing: Should we promote "open core" software prominently within Fedora? You can take Zarafa completely out of the equation and still answer that meaningfully. > By the way, wasn't it you some time ago promoting the Omega Fedora Remix > containing closed source software via the Fedora mailing lists? > Common confusion. There is no "closed source" software in Omega. What I include by default is the some software from the RPM Fusion - free repo which are entirely free and open source software. Being patent encumbered in some regions doesn't make it non-free. Anyway this is off-topic to the current discussion. If you have questions on Omega, feel free to mail me offlist about it and I can discuss any concerns in length. Rahul -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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