Talking points change needed?
by Paul W. Frields
The user management interface redesign is a "tech preview" in F13, as
opposed to final. Unfortunately the Desktop SIG members working on
the feature aren't able to comfortably make it a default yet, because
there are a few integration pieces left to complete. It will still be
available for installation and use, but not enabled by default, in
F13.
Should we remove this point from the talking points list for user
features? Doing so would still leave five points in that category.
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14 years
Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
by Jan Wildeboer
Kaltura.com is a good alternative. The rule *should* be to use open
standards whenever possible and convert content to non-free if needed.
The only thing I wanted to pint out is that if s/o wants to remix content,
he should be able to do it with open standards.
So to reiterate - I do *not* oppose usinge youtube, I *do* want to stress
however that "open first" should not be ignored.
So I propose:
- make content *always* available in open standards.
- use youtube etc for distribution when alternatives suck, but *always*
point the viewer to the open standard alternatives (in the description field
etc)
I hope you see that I am not a fundamentalist, I am pragmatic but I want to
make sure we do it right.
If we offer no oepn alternatives, THEN you will get the fundamentalist
discussion - and for a good reason IMHO.
Using your arguments in a little bit of exaggerated way would lead for
example to using Adobe Illustrator for artwork, Photoshop for other stuff
and would exclude those that don't have these tools ...
Jan
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On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 10:57 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> Youtube however uses the H.264 codec which is patent encumbered and only
> viewable on Fedora after installing either (proprietary) Flash or
> not-so-well-licensed codecs from external repos.
>
> One of the four F's of Fedora is Freedom. Youtube is not adding to
> freedom.
> Its the price you pay for convenience.
What would you suggest for an reliable alternative that can provide:
# user friendliness
# decent connectivity
# a wide audience as youtube?
Up to this point, it's constructive. From this point on, it's a private
view and should be faced as such.
As a personal comment, for a second I saw that "freedom" almost as I see
"despotism". It's because of the availability of proprietary software
for Linux and close standards that I use it (and that makes of it an
alternative to other proprietary OS's), else I would be stuck with
Windows (as FOSS doesn't provide everything for users needs).
I understand that we should promote open standards, but that will
handicap a campaign and will probably not give as much impact as it
would. Even for the artists making it, it's a huge cutdown on their
efforts. Do we really need to be so narrow? can't we actually provide it
both ways and make our official stuff on a non-offending format, but
also make it available on youtube?
"In America, through pressure of conformity, there is "freedom of
choice", but nothing to choose from" - Peter Ustinov.
nm
PS: This comment translates a personal view.
>
> Jan
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> Subject: Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
>
>
> As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok.
> Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
>
> The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern,
> and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the
> audience point of view or distribution.
>
> +1.
>
> nm
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> > Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
> >
> > My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> > College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project. My
> > particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> > as I already have my own video-web series. I'm one of five students
> > who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> > distributed online.
> >
> > I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> > Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> > Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion. Based off of
> > my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> > but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> > YouTube. As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> > technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
> >
> > I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> > and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone. One idea
> > that I have come up with is:
> >
> > * Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
> > Archive and Dailymotion.
> >
> > * Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
> > officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> > features of Fedora, etc).
> >
> > * Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
> >
> > * Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
> > Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> > to the Account Master(s) for consideration. If accepted, these videos
> > would be added to the official channel.
> >
> > * Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
> > having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> > websites.
> >
> > I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> > who are interested. I would also be curious to find out what results
> > previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> > what people's opinions are.
> >
> > I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> > professors started discussing it in class. Once Mel Chua came to
> > speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> > worked, I began to understand. Having videos that explain the goals
> > of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> > the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
> >
> > Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
> >
> > Nick
>
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14 years
Python in Fedora 13 feature profile: progress report
by Mel Chua
Just finished a great interview with Dave Malcolm (thank you, Dave, for
graciously giving so much of your time for this!) on Python features in F13.
For those of you looking to see what a feature profile in progress looks
like, the transcript and a couple of my "so what do I do next?" notes
are up at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Python_in_Fedora_13#Progress_so_far. Ask
questions if there's something you don't understand - I want to make
sure that we're making something comprehensible to all Python
programmers or potential Python hackers. ;)
--Mel
14 years
Fedora and Video Sharing
by Nicholas Ozorak
Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project. My
particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
as I already have my own video-web series. I'm one of five students
who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
distributed online.
I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion. Based off of
my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
YouTube. As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone. One idea
that I have come up with is:
* Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
Archive and Dailymotion.
* Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
features of Fedora, etc).
* Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
* Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
to the Account Master(s) for consideration. If accepted, these videos
would be added to the official channel.
* Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
websites.
I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
who are interested. I would also be curious to find out what results
previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
what people's opinions are.
I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
professors started discussing it in class. Once Mel Chua came to
speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
worked, I began to understand. Having videos that explain the goals
of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
Nick
14 years
Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
by Jan Wildeboer
Youtube however uses the H.264 codec which is patent encumbered and only
viewable on Fedora after installing either (proprietary) Flash or
not-so-well-licensed codecs from external repos.
One of the four F's of Fedora is Freedom. Youtube is not adding to freedom.
Its the price you pay for convenience.
Jan
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Sent: Sat Apr 10 10:17:18 2010
Subject: Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok.
Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern,
and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the
audience point of view or distribution.
+1.
nm
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
>
> My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project. My
> particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> as I already have my own video-web series. I'm one of five students
> who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> distributed online.
>
> I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion. Based off of
> my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> YouTube. As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
>
> I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone. One idea
> that I have come up with is:
>
> * Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
> Archive and Dailymotion.
>
> * Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
> officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> features of Fedora, etc).
>
> * Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
>
> * Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
> Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> to the Account Master(s) for consideration. If accepted, these videos
> would be added to the official channel.
>
> * Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
> having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> websites.
>
> I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> who are interested. I would also be curious to find out what results
> previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> what people's opinions are.
>
> I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> professors started discussing it in class. Once Mel Chua came to
> speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> worked, I began to understand. Having videos that explain the goals
> of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
>
> Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
>
> Nick
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14 years
some feedback from blog
by Nelson Marques
Hi,
I've got some interesting feedback from a blog post I've made. Some in
portuguese and got some valid information from people who would like to
package stuff for fedora :)
One of the things pointed was that people would like to have some
guidance and help from someone, like a tutor.
I don't feel like writing more complex marketing documents for this to
present... So I'm available to try and establish a bridge here if
needed.
Would it be in the interest of Fedora Project that some work would be
developed in this field? Like a strategical tutorship plan for new
comers?
nelson
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14 years
Letter concerning photographs
by Paul W. Frields
Marketing team -- here's the letter we could send to students and
ambassadors for help with the one-page release notes. Please review
and comment. If we need to make a lot of edits, no problem -- I'll
move this to the wiki and we can work on it there.
Paul
* * *
Hello,
The Fedora Marketing team is once again working on a "One-Page Release
Notes" to promote the next Fedora release, Fedora 13 "Goddard." We
produced a version of this document for the Fedora 12 release for
which feedback was positive.
It's an attractive document that shows off the fun and excitement of
being involved in the Fedora community, and it also highlights some of
the changes in the release. The Fedora 12 version can be found here
on the wiki, and several translations and alternate formats are also
linked there:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes
We would like to refresh the content with brand-new photographs from
our communities around the world. Here is our plan:
* The Marketing and Docs teams will create some placeholder content on
the new page for Fedora 13, found here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_one_page_release_notes
* The placeholders will include narrative and links for important
features from the Fedora 13 talking points and elsewhere in the
Fedora 13 release notes that can be easily illustrated by
photographs and screenshots.
* All photographs *must* be licensed either Creative Commons
Attribution, or Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA). We
cannot use photographs without proper licensing, or with CC
NonCommercial or NoDerivatives (NC, ND) type licensing.
* Anyone who wants to submit a photograph can post it to Flickr, or
their FedoraPeople.org space. If you need help setting up to use
your Fedorapeople.org space, refer to this wiki page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedorapeople.org
* DON'T upload the photo straight to the wiki (for now). We'll want
confirm the licensing, and crop and edit photos before uploading
them, to save space and time.
* Screenshots are also useful! Make sure you are using the complete
default theme for Fedora 13 without customizations. A good way to
ensure this is to use a *fresh user account* to generate
screenshots, so you're using default settings.
14 years
