kde-sig voice conference call for tomorrow's sig meeting

[Rex Dieter]

As an experiment, thought it would an interesting experiment to take 
advantage of fedora talk,
http://talk.fedoraproject.org/
as part of our kde sig meeting tomorrow,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-11-03

All are welcome to join.

Fedora contributors can follow the instructions here to setup:
http://talk.fedoraproject.org/usage

We'll be using Conference room 1 (extention 2011), per
http://talk.fedoraproject.org/conference

If this works well, we may try using this more in the future.


To be clear, the usage of voip here is supplimentary to our usual irc 
meeting, I'll serve as a voice-to-irc  gateway.

-- Rex

[Kevin Kofler]

Rex Dieter wrote:
>  As an experiment, thought it would an interesting experiment to take
>  advantage of fedora talk,
>  http://talk.fedoraproject.org/
>  as part of our kde sig meeting tomorrow,
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-11-03 
I think that's just useless. IRC is working just fine, it allows 
participating from everywhere (whereas voice requires a room which is both 
quiet enough to talk undisturbed and noise-tolerant enough to allow talking, 
such rooms are hard to come by in office environments like my university), 
it allows for easy logging and it doesn't require a microphone. And the 
"higher bandwidth" of voice communication is quite nonexistent if somebody 
has to type up everything to IRC and read back everything from IRC, in fact 
I think that'll kill communication entirely, so it doesn't make sense to use 
both. (And I'm not even sure I can really talk faster than I can type. I 
don't stutter when typing. ;-) )

I don't even have a microphone for my main desktop at the moment; as for my 
laptop, its builtin microphone might also suck for VoIP, and having to shout 
into it and getting the laptop to shout back from its speakers will also 
worsen the "appropriate room" problem, so an external headset might be 
needed for effective VoIP use there. As for participating with a regular 
phone, a 1-hour phonecall to a foreign country (the US or UK) is going to be 
a big money sink (and I can't do it from the university phones, they're 
locked for calls to foreign countries), so that's not really a viable 
option, I'm afraid.

I'll be at the university during the meeting tomorrow, I don't think I'll be 
able to join over VoIP. People won't like me talking to my laptop. ;-)

        Kevin Kofler

[Ben Boeckel]

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Kevin Kofler wrote:

>  Rex Dieter wrote:
> > As an experiment, thought it would an interesting experiment to take
> > advantage of fedora talk,
> > http://talk.fedoraproject.org/
> > as part of our kde sig meeting tomorrow,
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-11-03
>  
>  I think that's just useless. IRC is working just fine, it allows 
>  participating from everywhere (whereas voice requires a room which is both 
>  quiet enough to talk undisturbed and noise-tolerant enough to allow talking, 
>  such rooms are hard to come by in office environments like my university), 
>  it allows for easy logging and it doesn't require a microphone. And the 
>  "higher bandwidth" of voice communication is quite nonexistent if somebody 
>  has to type up everything to IRC and read back everything from IRC, in fact 
>  I think that'll kill communication entirely, so it doesn't make sense to use 
>  both. (And I'm not even sure I can really talk faster than I can type. I 
>  don't stutter when typing. ;-) ) 
IRC also supports multithreaded conversations.
Granted, the onus is shifted off 
to the users, but picking threads out of text is easier than out of an audio 
stream.

>  I don't even have a microphone for my main desktop at the moment;
> as for my 
>  laptop, its builtin microphone might also suck for VoIP, and having to shout 
>  into it and getting the laptop to shout back from its speakers will also 
>  worsen the "appropriate room" problem, so an external headset might be 
>  needed for effective VoIP use there. As for participating with a regular 
>  phone, a 1-hour phonecall to a foreign country (the US or UK) is going to be 
>  a big money sink (and I can't do it from the university phones, they're 
>  locked for calls to foreign countries), so that's not really a viable 
>  option, I'm afraid. 
Same here.

>  I'll be at the university during the meeting tomorrow, I
> don't think I'll be 
>  able to join over VoIP. People won't like me talking to my laptop. ;-) 
And yet
people walking around talking to bugs in their ears that you may not be 
able to see is perfectly acceptable. ;)

>          Kevin Kofler 
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[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Tuesday 03 November 2009 02:28:17 Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  Rex Dieter wrote:
>  > As an experiment, thought it would an interesting experiment to take
>  > advantage of fedora talk,
>  > http://talk.fedoraproject.org/
>  > as part of our kde sig meeting tomorrow,
>  > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-11-03
>  
>  I think that's just useless. IRC is working just fine, it allows
>  participating from everywhere (whereas voice requires a room which is both
>  quiet enough to talk undisturbed and noise-tolerant enough to allow
>   talking, such rooms are hard to come by in office environments like my
>   university), 
Same problem here, we have open office and every speaker disturbs other people 
in the office :( But we have meeting rooms, I can try to reserve one as I don't 
think it's completely bad idea. But to be in chair of "voice meeting" is
much 
more complicated/difficult than IRC meeting. On the other hand - it can help a 
lot understanding some issues. And for us - non English native it's much more 
harder to understand - but again - it's great way how to enhance your language 
skills. Usually all meetings in Red Hat are through voice conference system 
(it cost too much and quality is toooooooo low :( ). 

>   it allows for easy logging and it doesn't require a
>   microphone. And the "higher bandwidth" of voice communication is quite
>   nonexistent if somebody has to type up everything to IRC and read back
>   everything from IRC, in fact I think that'll kill communication entirely,
>   so it doesn't make sense to use both. (And I'm not even sure I can really
>   talk faster than I can type. I don't stutter when typing. ;-) )
>  
>  I don't even have a microphone for my main desktop at the moment; as for my
>  laptop, its builtin microphone might also suck for VoIP, and having to
>   shout into it and getting the laptop to shout back from its speakers will
>   also worsen the "appropriate room" problem, so an external headset might
>   be needed for effective VoIP use there. As for participating with a
>   regular phone, a 1-hour phonecall to a foreign country (the US or UK) is
>   going to be a big money sink (and I can't do it from the university
>   phones, they're locked for calls to foreign countries), so that's not
>   really a viable option, I'm afraid.
>  
>  I'll be at the university during the meeting tomorrow, I don't think I'll
>   be able to join over VoIP. People won't like me talking to my laptop. ;-)
>  
>          Kevin Kofler
>  
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