I've recently set up a couple of distribution lists using KMail/KAddressBook. This works quite well; but I wondered if there is any way of making the To line give the name of the list rather than the people on the list, as for example Mailman does?
Timothy Murphy ha scritto:
I've recently set up a couple of distribution lists using KMail/KAddressBook. This works quite well; but I wondered if there is any way of making the To line give the name of the list rather than the people on the list, as for example Mailman does?
AFAIK the To line reflects the mail envelope as specified in the appropriate RFC, so no chance to modify it, whichever mail client you use. Even if locally hidden, (which isn't very smart indeed) it will be seen by all recipients. My workaround: to use some aliases of my own mail address, sort of MyListmyself@myprovider.com in the To line, and put the actual list as CC (if recipients are entitled to see all others), or as BCC (to hide the distribution list, for privacy concerns).
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've recently set up a couple of distribution lists using KMail/KAddressBook. This works quite well; but I wondered if there is any way of making the To line give the name of the list rather than the people on the list, as for example Mailman does?
I guess I mis-stated what Mailman does. I think it posts to each person on the list separately, with the name of the list added to the Subject line.
So I suppose my query should be: Is it possible to set up a distribution list in KMail/KAddressBook so that mail is sent to each member separately?
I find it slightly off-putting if there is a mailing-list with say 100 members to have to go halfway down the page past the list of recipients.
Timothy Murphy ha scritto:
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've recently set up a couple of distribution lists using KMail/KAddressBook. This works quite well; but I wondered if there is any way of making the To line give the name of the list rather than the people on the list, as for example Mailman does?
I guess I mis-stated what Mailman does. I think it posts to each person on the list separately, with the name of the list added to the Subject line.
Sorry, I'm not too much familiar with Mailman. I gave a look to documentation, and Mailman turns out to be a Mailing List Manager, i.e. something acting in conjunction with a mail server. It can receive mail and then send it to each member of a list, if instructed to do so. KMail is a mail client, which is only capable of sending your e-mail to a mail server: one click, one mail sent, then it is up to the server to send a copy to each recipient in the To list. It's beyond the scope of a mail client to scan the To list and to create out of the original mail you typed, 100 e-mails, each one stripped of the other recepient addresses, and then perform 100 send instead of just one.
So I suppose my query should be: Is it possible to set up a distribution list in KMail/KAddressBook so that mail is sent to each member separately?
The answer is no and yes. No, you can't do it with KMail only. Yes, you can do it, but via a list manager, like Mailman. You can create a Mailman list, have all your recipients subscribe to that list (or maybe you can subscribe them yourself, as list Administrator), and then you may send your mail using Kmail, to the appropriate Mailman List. In that case the list will be handled by Mailman. The same thing happens now here: you just sent a message to kde@list.fedoraproject.org, using Knode, your To line had just the list name, and your message has been forwarded to all list members, me included, care of fedoraproject list Manager (which happens to be Mailman 2.1.9).
I find it slightly off-putting if there is a mailing-list with say 100 members to have to go halfway down the page past the list of recipients.
Giuliano Colla wrote:
I guess I mis-stated what Mailman does. I think it posts to each person on the list separately, with the name of the list added to the Subject line.
Sorry, I'm not too much familiar with Mailman. I gave a look to documentation, and Mailman turns out to be a Mailing List Manager, i.e. something acting in conjunction with a mail server. It can receive mail and then send it to each member of a list, if instructed to do so. KMail is a mail client, which is only capable of sending your e-mail to a mail server: one click, one mail sent, then it is up to the server to send a copy to each recipient in the To list. It's beyond the scope of a mail client to scan the To list and to create out of the original mail you typed, 100 e-mails, each one stripped of the other recepient addresses, and then perform 100 send instead of just one.
But I suppose KAddressBook could similarly have a facility to ask KMail to send items to each member of a distribution list?
Timothy Murphy ha scritto:
Giuliano Colla wrote:
But I suppose KAddressBook could similarly have a facility to ask KMail to send items to each member of a distribution list?
It could, if it had been designed to behave as a list manager, but it hasn't. It is Kmail which asks addresses to KAddressBook, not KAddressBook which tells KMail what to do.
Giuliano Colla wrote:
But I suppose KAddressBook could similarly have a facility to ask KMail to send items to each member of a distribution list?
It could, if it had been designed to behave as a list manager, but it hasn't. It is Kmail which asks addresses to KAddressBook, not KAddressBook which tells KMail what to do.
But I don't imagine it would be very difficult to add that facility to KMail. As you say, KMail asks KAddressBook for an address or addresses. Surely it would be almost trivial if several addresses are given, as by a distribution list, to ask if they should be sent separately or in one email.
This would provide a very basic and simple list manager. Mailman is much more ambitious, obviously, allowing mail to be sent by members to the list, maintaining archives, etc.
But sometimes one just wants to send email to a specified list of people.
Timothy Murphy ha scritto:
Giuliano Colla wrote:
But I suppose KAddressBook could similarly have a facility to ask KMail to send items to each member of a distribution list?
It could, if it had been designed to behave as a list manager, but it hasn't. It is Kmail which asks addresses to KAddressBook, not KAddressBook which tells KMail what to do.
But I don't imagine it would be very difficult to add that facility to KMail. As you say, KMail asks KAddressBook for an address or addresses. Surely it would be almost trivial if several addresses are given, as by a distribution list, to ask if they should be sent separately or in one email.
Maybe it's not that difficult. But, as you may obtain the same effect just by putting the list name in the Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) line (as opposed to the To line), even the small effort required could not be worth the pain.
Giuliano Colla wrote:
But I suppose KAddressBook could similarly have a facility to ask KMail to send items to each member of a distribution list?
It could, if it had been designed to behave as a list manager, but it hasn't. It is Kmail which asks addresses to KAddressBook, not KAddressBook which tells KMail what to do.
But I don't imagine it would be very difficult to add that facility to KMail. As you say, KMail asks KAddressBook for an address or addresses. Surely it would be almost trivial if several addresses are given, as by a distribution list, to ask if they should be sent separately or in one email.
Maybe it's not that difficult. But, as you may obtain the same effect just by putting the list name in the Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) line (as opposed to the To line), even the small effort required could not be worth the pain.
Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. I want to avoid a very long To: line so I don't have to scroll past dozens of members' addresses to read the message.
Am Montag, 26. Juli 2010 schrieb Timothy Murphy:
Giuliano Colla wrote:
But I suppose KAddressBook could similarly have a facility to ask KMail to send items to each member of a distribution list?
It could, if it had been designed to behave as a list manager, but it hasn't. It is Kmail which asks addresses to KAddressBook, not KAddressBook which tells KMail what to do.
But I don't imagine it would be very difficult to add that facility to KMail. As you say, KMail asks KAddressBook for an address or addresses. Surely it would be almost trivial if several addresses are given, as by a distribution list, to ask if they should be sent separately or in one email.
Maybe it's not that difficult. But, as you may obtain the same effect just by putting the list name in the Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) line (as opposed to the To line), even the small effort required could not be worth the pain.
Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. I want to avoid a very long To: line so I don't have to scroll past dozens of members' addresses to read the message.
Perhaps Giuliano was not clearly: If you add all the recipients to the BCC field (via distribution list or directly) no one will see them (that is the reason it is call blind carbon copy) and therefore the to line may even be empty (but it is good practice to add at least one mail address).
Try it out.
Martin
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On 07/26/2010 07:27 AM, Martin (KDE) wrote:
Am Montag, 26. Juli 2010 schrieb Timothy Murphy:
Giuliano Colla wrote:
But I suppose KAddressBook could similarly have a facility to ask KMail to send items to each member of a distribution list?
It could, if it had been designed to behave as a list manager, but it hasn't. It is Kmail which asks addresses to KAddressBook, not KAddressBook which tells KMail what to do.
But I don't imagine it would be very difficult to add that facility to KMail. As you say, KMail asks KAddressBook for an address or addresses. Surely it would be almost trivial if several addresses are given, as by a distribution list, to ask if they should be sent separately or in one email.
Maybe it's not that difficult. But, as you may obtain the same effect just by putting the list name in the Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) line (as opposed to the To line), even the small effort required could not be worth the pain.
Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. I want to avoid a very long To: line so I don't have to scroll past dozens of members' addresses to read the message.
Perhaps Giuliano was not clearly: If you add all the recipients to the BCC field (via distribution list or directly) no one will see them (that is the reason it is call blind carbon copy) and therefore the to line may even be empty (but it is good practice to add at least one mail address).
A good idea to put your e-mail in the To: as some spam filters don't like a message with a blank To:
Try it out.
Martin
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*correcting post to wrong tsl*
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've recently set up a couple of distribution lists using KMail/KAddressBook. This works quite well; but I wondered if there is any way of making the To line give the name of the list rather than the people on the list, as for example Mailman does?
how what appears in 'To:' depends on how ones email address book is set up.
the 'To:' in this reply will appear to me as 'example mail list' because my address book is configured to *display* 'example mail list' for email address of 'geleem@bellsouth.net'.
for it to appear this way in a recipient's email, they would have to have a similar entry in their address book.
or so it works with thunderbird.
hth.
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