5:50 a.m.
I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I
noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly
ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
install gtk-qt-engine, it initially has an empty space as the selected
theme; if I then choose "Clearlooks" as the GTK theme and restart KDE,
things look much nicer than whatever default thing was there before.
Is it possible to do something in this direction by default? Much as I
like KDE, I really can't avoid using Eclipse pretty much every day at
work, and it would be nice if it looked good by default.
MEF
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6:13 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:50:10AM +0100, Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
Is it possible to do something in this direction by default? Much as
I
like KDE, I really can't avoid using Eclipse pretty much every day at
work, and it would be nice if it looked good by default.
Reviews for qtcurve-* are on the way [1][2]
Apparently this is what opensuse uses by default for gtk-apps started
under KDE. Maybe we can switch to using it as default too.
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526115
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525759
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8:27 a.m.
On 10/13/2009 01:13 PM, Sven Lankes wrote:
Reviews for qtcurve-* are on the way [1][2]
Apparently this is what opensuse uses by default for gtk-apps started
under KDE. Maybe we can switch to using it as default too.
Yeah, that would be nice. QtCurve can make GTK+ 2 app-
lications use KDE 4 icons, and with configuration, it
can also achieve a reasonable approximation of Oxygen
visually:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Like+%28for+QtCurve%29?co...
This is considerably less hacky than the error-prone
gtk-qt-engine or that pixmap theme that is hardcoded
to the default color scheme.
The way to do this would be to put a .sh script into
the default $KDEHOME/env/ that sets GTK_RC_FILES to
point to a prepared GTK+ 2 config file that sets it
to use QtCurve, along with a set of QtCurve default
configs that fit in well with the KDE 4 defaults.
That's essentially what openSUSE does, afaik. It ma-
akes GTK+ 2 apps use QtCurve by default in a KDE se-
ssion, but doesn't affect Gnome or any other envi-
ronment.
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8:55 a.m.
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I
noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly
ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or other?),
but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's supposed to look
better than what you describe.
-- Rex
9:28 a.m.
On Wednesday 14 October 2009 15:55:05 Rex Dieter wrote:
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
> I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I
> noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly
> ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or other?),
but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's supposed to look
better than what you describe.
I have to confirm ugly GTK applications - I've just installed Firefox and it
looks like early 90's Windows application.
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's
not set properly in KDE?
Jaroslav
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9:30 a.m.
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Wednesday 14 October 2009 15:55:05 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
>> I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I
>> noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly
>> ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
> Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or other?),
> but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's supposed to look
> better than what you describe.
I have to confirm ugly GTK applications - I've just installed Firefox and it
looks like early 90's Windows application.
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's
not set properly in KDE?
We don't set anything GTK-wise as far as I'm aware, it should "just
work". Maybe there's a gtk-theme missing dep somewhere.
-- Rex
9:36 a.m.
On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:28:27 Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Wednesday 14 October 2009 15:55:05 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
> > I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I
> > noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly
> > ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
>
> Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or
> other?), but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's
> supposed to look better than what you describe.
I have to confirm ugly GTK applications - I've just installed Firefox and
it looks like early 90's Windows application.
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So
it's not set properly in KDE?
Some time ago the default theme in /etc/gtk2-0/gtkrc was changed to:
gtk-theme-name = "Clearlooks"
I changed it back to Nodoka, because that looks much better.
Martin Kho
Jaroslav
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9:45 a.m.
New subject: Is there any way to make GTK apps look nicer by default under KDE?
2009/10/14 Martin Kho <lists.kho(a)gmail.com>:
Some time ago the default theme in /etc/gtk2-0/gtkrc was changed to:
gtk-theme-name = "Clearlooks"
I changed it back to Nodoka, because that looks much better.
It's a bit hard for me to test right now, but I think that the apps
thought they were using Clearlooks before, at least at some level -- I
got messages printed to stderr about some syntax issue in Clearlooks
(see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528662). Maybe that's
actually the issue, who knows ...
But the way that things look by default doesn't seem to be
Clearlooks's fault. In fact, what I did to make it look nicer was to
install gtk-qt-engine and explicitly choose Clearlooks from the
pulldown list (which started off with nothing selected).
MEF
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3:32 p.m.
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
2009/10/14 Martin Kho <lists.kho(a)gmail.com>:
> Some time ago the default theme in /etc/gtk2-0/gtkrc was changed to:
>
> gtk-theme-name = "Clearlooks"
>
> I changed it back to Nodoka, because that looks much better.
It's a bit hard for me to test right now, but I think that the apps
thought they were using Clearlooks before, at least at some level -- I
got messages printed to stderr about some syntax issue in Clearlooks
(see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528662). Maybe that's
actually the issue, who knows ...
Confirmed, and marked that as a F12Blocker-kde , awaiting feedback from
Matthias.
It's been suggested we default to using qtcurve-gtk2 inside of kde,
which we may end up doing, esp if this doesn't get fixed otherwise.
-- Rex
12:28 p.m.
New subject: Is there any way to make GTK apps look nicer by default under KDE?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it?
So it's
not set properly in KDE?
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond
theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x
release).
I figured it as a sign that developers just preferred not to work on
GTK integration.
[Note, haven't tried F11 in KDE mode, so maybe it's improved.]
12:37 p.m.
Jud Craft wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's
> not set properly in KDE?
>
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond
theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x
release).
Untrue, for me anyway. We've tested that the integration works for each
release. Makes me wonder what went wrong in your case. ??
It's my expectation to have this sorted out prior to final F-12 release.
-- Rex
12:43 p.m.
On 10/14/2009 07:28 PM, Jud Craft wrote:
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones
Redmond
theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x
release).
I installed Fedora 11 from the KDE CD back in September,
and GTK+ apps used Nodoka by default.
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9:11 a.m.
New subject: Is there any way to make GTK apps look nicer by default under KDE?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Eike Hein wrote:
I installed Fedora 11 from the KDE CD back in September,
and GTK+ apps used Nodoka by default.
Haven't tried F11-KDE. Glad to hear it works. I may give it a try
sometime, but at the moment I prefer GNOME.
Usually I always install QtCurve and the KDE4 runtime libraries, so my
programs look pretty consistent. Would be nice if a consistent
cross-desktop style (whether Nodoka/GtkQtStyle in KDE, which is pretty
decent, or Cleanlooks all around) was used.
GtkQtStyle is quite impressive. Only downside is that it works great,
but it seems to crash KDE-Systemsettings when I activate it...maybe
this has been remedied.
9:24 a.m.
On 10/15/2009 04:11 PM, Jud Craft wrote:
Usually I always install QtCurve and the KDE4 runtime libraries, so
my
programs look pretty consistent. Would be nice if a consistent
cross-desktop style (whether Nodoka/GtkQtStyle in KDE, which is pretty
decent, or Cleanlooks all around) was used.
GtkQtStyle is quite impressive. Only downside is that it works great,
but it seems to crash KDE-Systemsettings when I activate it...maybe
this has been remedied.
Frankly, I don't think Fedora's KDE spin should incur
the efficiency burden of Qt calling into GTK+ for in-
terface drawing. Add to that that all of the availa-
ble GTK+ style engines (with the possible exception
of QtCurve with a good set of configs, but that also
has a native Qt version) look fairly dated compared
to KDE's Oxygen, so it would be a pulling down of KDE
to Gnome's level, visually.
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10:04 a.m.
Jud Craft wrote:
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones
Redmond
theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x
release).
That was a bug which was fixed with early F9 updates. (Something was wrong
with the gtkrc search path.) We haven't seen it since. F10 should have
worked out of the box. If you encountered this issue, why didn't you report
it?
Kevin Kofler
10:27 a.m.
On Thursday 15 October 2009 17:04:11 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jud Craft wrote:
> GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond
> theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x
> release).
That was a bug which was fixed with early F9 updates. (Something was wrong
with the gtkrc search path.) We haven't seen it since. F10 should have
worked out of the box. If you encountered this issue, why didn't you report
it?
Do you have bug number? It's ok in F11 but I saw it after this report on my
F12 installation - I didn't notice it earlier because I try not to use GTK
stuff on my EEE.
Jaroslav
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10:34 a.m.
New subject: Is there any way to make GTK apps look nicer by default under KDE?
2009/10/15 Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik(a)redhat.com>:
Do you have bug number? It's ok in F11 but I saw it after this
report on my
F12 installation - I didn't notice it earlier because I try not to use GTK
stuff on my EEE.
I'll file a bug about this if you guys want -- against which
component? Kwin or what?
MEF
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1:22 p.m.
New subject: Is there any way to make GTK apps look nicer by default under KDE?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
That was a bug which was fixed with early F9 updates. (Something was wrong
with the gtkrc search path.) We haven't seen it since. F10 should have
worked out of the box. If you encountered this issue, why didn't you report
it?
I fixed it and got on with my life. I also have other things to do. :)
Sadly, I also halfway assumed that was status quo. I wasn't surprised
when it didn't work right. At the time, PackageKit was also out of
place, and the KNetworkManager was gone. KDE 4.0 was a patchwork of a
Fedora environment, and I didn't want to get into it.
I am glad it's doing better - and I do like KDE 4.2 in Fedora. But
you asked, so there's my reason.
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