I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I install gtk-qt-engine, it initially has an empty space as the selected theme; if I then choose "Clearlooks" as the GTK theme and restart KDE, things look much nicer than whatever default thing was there before.
Is it possible to do something in this direction by default? Much as I like KDE, I really can't avoid using Eclipse pretty much every day at work, and it would be nice if it looked good by default.
MEF
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:50:10AM +0100, Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
Is it possible to do something in this direction by default? Much as I like KDE, I really can't avoid using Eclipse pretty much every day at work, and it would be nice if it looked good by default.
Reviews for qtcurve-* are on the way [1][2]
Apparently this is what opensuse uses by default for gtk-apps started under KDE. Maybe we can switch to using it as default too.
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526115 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525759
On 10/13/2009 01:13 PM, Sven Lankes wrote:
Reviews for qtcurve-* are on the way [1][2]
Apparently this is what opensuse uses by default for gtk-apps started under KDE. Maybe we can switch to using it as default too.
Yeah, that would be nice. QtCurve can make GTK+ 2 app- lications use KDE 4 icons, and with configuration, it can also achieve a reasonable approximation of Oxygen visually:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Like+%28for+QtCurve%29?conte...
This is considerably less hacky than the error-prone gtk-qt-engine or that pixmap theme that is hardcoded to the default color scheme.
The way to do this would be to put a .sh script into the default $KDEHOME/env/ that sets GTK_RC_FILES to point to a prepared GTK+ 2 config file that sets it to use QtCurve, along with a set of QtCurve default configs that fit in well with the KDE 4 defaults.
That's essentially what openSUSE does, afaik. It ma- akes GTK+ 2 apps use QtCurve by default in a KDE se- ssion, but doesn't affect Gnome or any other envi- ronment.
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or other?), but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's supposed to look better than what you describe.
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On Wednesday 14 October 2009 15:55:05 Rex Dieter wrote:
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or other?), but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's supposed to look better than what you describe.
I have to confirm ugly GTK applications - I've just installed Firefox and it looks like early 90's Windows application.
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's not set properly in KDE?
Jaroslav
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Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Wednesday 14 October 2009 15:55:05 Rex Dieter wrote:
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or other?), but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's supposed to look better than what you describe.
I have to confirm ugly GTK applications - I've just installed Firefox and it looks like early 90's Windows application.
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's not set properly in KDE?
We don't set anything GTK-wise as far as I'm aware, it should "just work". Maybe there's a gtk-theme missing dep somewhere.
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On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:28:27 Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Wednesday 14 October 2009 15:55:05 Rex Dieter wrote:
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
I just installed fresh Rawhide on a new computer yesterday, and I noticed that under the default configuration, GTK apps look fairly ugly, with grey blocky buttons and UI components and so on. If I
Not sure what the default gtk theme is these days (still nodoka or other?), but I *am* sure that whatever that default theme is, it's supposed to look better than what you describe.
I have to confirm ugly GTK applications - I've just installed Firefox and it looks like early 90's Windows application.
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's not set properly in KDE?
Some time ago the default theme in /etc/gtk2-0/gtkrc was changed to:
gtk-theme-name = "Clearlooks"
I changed it back to Nodoka, because that looks much better.
Martin Kho
Jaroslav
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2009/10/14 Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
Some time ago the default theme in /etc/gtk2-0/gtkrc was changed to:
gtk-theme-name = "Clearlooks"
I changed it back to Nodoka, because that looks much better.
It's a bit hard for me to test right now, but I think that the apps thought they were using Clearlooks before, at least at some level -- I got messages printed to stderr about some syntax issue in Clearlooks (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528662). Maybe that's actually the issue, who knows ...
But the way that things look by default doesn't seem to be Clearlooks's fault. In fact, what I did to make it look nicer was to install gtk-qt-engine and explicitly choose Clearlooks from the pulldown list (which started off with nothing selected).
MEF
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
2009/10/14 Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
Some time ago the default theme in /etc/gtk2-0/gtkrc was changed to:
gtk-theme-name = "Clearlooks"
I changed it back to Nodoka, because that looks much better.
It's a bit hard for me to test right now, but I think that the apps thought they were using Clearlooks before, at least at some level -- I got messages printed to stderr about some syntax issue in Clearlooks (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528662). Maybe that's actually the issue, who knows ...
Confirmed, and marked that as a F12Blocker-kde , awaiting feedback from Matthias.
It's been suggested we default to using qtcurve-gtk2 inside of kde, which we may end up doing, esp if this doesn't get fixed otherwise.
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's not set properly in KDE?
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x release).
I figured it as a sign that developers just preferred not to work on GTK integration.
[Note, haven't tried F11 in KDE mode, so maybe it's improved.]
Jud Craft wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Probably something changed in setting of GTK theme and we missed it? So it's not set properly in KDE?
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x release).
Untrue, for me anyway. We've tested that the integration works for each release. Makes me wonder what went wrong in your case. ??
It's my expectation to have this sorted out prior to final F-12 release.
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On 10/14/2009 07:28 PM, Jud Craft wrote:
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x release).
I installed Fedora 11 from the KDE CD back in September, and GTK+ apps used Nodoka by default.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Eike Hein wrote:
I installed Fedora 11 from the KDE CD back in September, and GTK+ apps used Nodoka by default.
Haven't tried F11-KDE. Glad to hear it works. I may give it a try sometime, but at the moment I prefer GNOME.
Usually I always install QtCurve and the KDE4 runtime libraries, so my programs look pretty consistent. Would be nice if a consistent cross-desktop style (whether Nodoka/GtkQtStyle in KDE, which is pretty decent, or Cleanlooks all around) was used.
GtkQtStyle is quite impressive. Only downside is that it works great, but it seems to crash KDE-Systemsettings when I activate it...maybe this has been remedied.
On 10/15/2009 04:11 PM, Jud Craft wrote:
Usually I always install QtCurve and the KDE4 runtime libraries, so my programs look pretty consistent. Would be nice if a consistent cross-desktop style (whether Nodoka/GtkQtStyle in KDE, which is pretty decent, or Cleanlooks all around) was used.
GtkQtStyle is quite impressive. Only downside is that it works great, but it seems to crash KDE-Systemsettings when I activate it...maybe this has been remedied.
Frankly, I don't think Fedora's KDE spin should incur the efficiency burden of Qt calling into GTK+ for in- terface drawing. Add to that that all of the availa- ble GTK+ style engines (with the possible exception of QtCurve with a good set of configs, but that also has a native Qt version) look fairly dated compared to KDE's Oxygen, so it would be a pulling down of KDE to Gnome's level, visually.
Jud Craft wrote:
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x release).
That was a bug which was fixed with early F9 updates. (Something was wrong with the gtkrc search path.) We haven't seen it since. F10 should have worked out of the box. If you encountered this issue, why didn't you report it?
Kevin Kofler
On Thursday 15 October 2009 17:04:11 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jud Craft wrote:
GTK programs under vanilla KDE have been using the bare-bones Redmond theme at least since back in Fedora 10 (with the early KDE 4.0.x release).
That was a bug which was fixed with early F9 updates. (Something was wrong with the gtkrc search path.) We haven't seen it since. F10 should have worked out of the box. If you encountered this issue, why didn't you report it?
Do you have bug number? It's ok in F11 but I saw it after this report on my F12 installation - I didn't notice it earlier because I try not to use GTK stuff on my EEE.
Jaroslav
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2009/10/15 Jaroslav Reznik jreznik@redhat.com:
Do you have bug number? It's ok in F11 but I saw it after this report on my F12 installation - I didn't notice it earlier because I try not to use GTK stuff on my EEE.
I'll file a bug about this if you guys want -- against which component? Kwin or what?
MEF
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
That was a bug which was fixed with early F9 updates. (Something was wrong with the gtkrc search path.) We haven't seen it since. F10 should have worked out of the box. If you encountered this issue, why didn't you report it?
I fixed it and got on with my life. I also have other things to do. :)
Sadly, I also halfway assumed that was status quo. I wasn't surprised when it didn't work right. At the time, PackageKit was also out of place, and the KNetworkManager was gone. KDE 4.0 was a patchwork of a Fedora environment, and I didn't want to get into it.
I am glad it's doing better - and I do like KDE 4.2 in Fedora. But you asked, so there's my reason.
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