Re: no qDebug output in fedora

[Orion Poplawski]

On 04/27/2016 09:43 AM, Jozef Mlich wrote:
>  Dear fedora kde contributors,
>  
>  I have recently reopened one of my old Qt projects and found that there
>  is no debugging output in stdout. After some time I have came to
>  #1227295. In that ticket is Fedora overriding Qt default settings of
>  QT_LOGGING_RULES variable. 
>  
>  Rex suggested me to open discussion here ratter than opening new ticket
>  in bugzilla.
>  
>  Honestly, I don't see much explanation why you decided for that and I
>  would like to have opposite configuration (default Qt) in Fedora as
>  default. 
>  
>  Kevin wrote:
> > This is by design. Our users do not want to get spammed with
> > debugging output by default. It is easy for developers to enable it.
> > (We are also working on packaging the GUI KDE now ships for editing
> > qtlogging.ini to make it even easier.)
>  
> > I think the only sane distro default for qDebug is globally off
> > by default. 
>  
>  In my opinion the debugging messages are normal and expected in output
>  of any application. 
>  
>  End users usually cannot see those messages, because they are running
>  application without terminal. I don't see any impact to them. 
>  
>  Some power users may run UI applications from terminal. But what they
>  expect to see there? Personally, I do that as first step in debugging
>  of the application.
>  
>  The fedora is focused also on developers. Every qml tutorial starts
>  with console.log("hello world"); which suddenly doesn't work on fedora.
>  
>  Maybe we should disable just part of debugging output to decrease
>  verbosity similar like Qt does:
>  
>  export "QT_LOGGING_RULES=*=true
>  kde-frameworks.*=fase
>  qt.*=false"
>  
>  Alternatively, we could improve user experience of developers by
>  changing this configuration during installation of qt5-devel packages.
>  
>  
>  
>  regards,
>  -- 
>  Jozef Mlich <jmlich83(a)gmail.com&gt; 
We have lots of users here that launch applications from the terminal.  Please
don't spam them.

I also don't particularly like .xsession-errors filled with tons of debug info
that makes it hard to diagnose real problems.


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