On Sunday 31 May 2009 09:57:58 Ben Boeckel wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Saturday 30 May 2009 23:21:36 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:03:19 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Hi All
Just installed the Beta from unstable. Seriously... has
anybody actually
seen bug fixes? Or are the KDE developers simply adding
features that add
more bugs?
Dozens of them. Anything particular in mind?
Here:
These are the ones I've checked at first glance. Almost all
of them Konqueror related, And none
of the Konqueror bugs have been addressed. Leave a this for
starters.
Seems fine to me in 4.3b1. Seems slow to load, but once done, I don't see any performance issues. The toolbar has a little delay before seeing the hand cursor, but clicking still works as expected despite the cursor not changing.
I've had this problem there practically forever. And it still persists for me
Something like this isn't going to please everybody in every situation. Personally, I find the issue in that background/font color are separate choices in CSS. They should be required together or not at all.
This is almost always the kicker for me going back to Oxygen colors after using Obsidian Coast for a while. Firefox has just as bad a time with it as Konqueror in my experience.
The default CSS should contain default web black on white colors. Not the template used by the desktop manager. Best reason is that many email clients do not generate html headers at all. Its unlikely that they will anytime soon.
Cannot confirm in 4.3b1.
Flash-related, nothing we in Fedora can do.
Works very well in firefox. So no, it isn't just flash related, but how konqueror handles the scripts generated.
Confirmed in 4.3b1 as well. By watching what happens in Firefox, it instead enforces the requested table size, loads the text then starts the scrolling. This causes text to be written on top of other text before the page is completely loaded. Konqueror uses the height of the marquee for the marquee, but for layout, there is no size specified. Personally, I think the site is relying on other browser bugs/quirks. Looking at the source and references, the height attribute isn't necessary (looking at wiki's list of attributes for it; hell, marquee isn't even standard), so Konqueror would just be playing puppet to other browsers. There is no standard dictating how those should be handled.
Not something I get to test/use all that often (read: maybe once or twice in a few years), but I can see why it's important.
The last on complains about the lack of capability to stretch
panels across 2 monitors. And this
lack, in my desktop environment, represents a real useabiltiy
bug. Serious enough for me to move
to xfce which does this flawlessly.
KDE Brainstorm may be a place for this.
Its already there.
http://forum.kde.org/extend-panels-accross-multiple-screens-t-38969.html#pid...
End result won't fix. Becuase its too hard. (Professionalism at work).
As for konqueror vs firefox. Look firefox is not a kde app.
Its mime types automatically link to
gtk apps. Currently and more and more tentatively I use kde.
I do not want to use gtk apps to
read pdf or view multimedia or evolution and I do not want to
have to manually reconfigure the
gazillion or so mime types to open kde apps. If I want to use
gtk apps I would use a gtk based
windows manager. I use kde and a core application is very
badly broken. I understand; Firefox is a Windows app ported to Linux making it play its own game (I touched on this in my latest rant in my blog).
Look I need to say this; plasmoids are a very very nice idea.
They look great and make the
desktop look cool. The things is the desktop is next to
useless. It gets covered up as soon as
you use your computer to do anything at all. Unless of course
the way you use your computer is to
simply stare at your cool desktop. Heck I even have a package
out there of a plasmoid. But being
the end all and be all of windows management is a colossal
mistake. Panels are the only app that
makes the desktop constantly useful. Applets (ok plasmoids
now) on panels when designed correctly
places functionality, accessibility and information
immediately available with a single click or
quick glance regardless of what else is going on (except for
full screen games :) ). So don't place plasmoids on the desktop. My desktop is currently...just a wallpaper. I have too many windows open all the time to deal with moving them around. I have quite a few locked in position/size/desktop and the mask has no hole in it, so no position is always safe here. Ctrl-F12 is there to expose the plasmoids. I just tested and if you're dragging something, it isn't lost.
People use browsers, word processors, games, email client, im
clients etc. The first app that
gets opened makes the desktop disappear.
This was a major problem with the old desktop. It was almost always covered (at least here), so it was of limited use.
If the apps don't work what good is the desktop other than to look pretty but dumb. I do not need my desktop or
apps to be a huge blonde moment (male
or female take your pick). I need to get the things done. If
kde developers want to jerk around
they're bored and get things half finished and then say brand
new here it is. This whole process
has been one the least professional processes I have been
through in computing in a very long
time. (Fedora / KDE people notwithstanding in this tirade
they as usual do a superb job) then
ignore their user base, well then there will be defection.
Which by the way I am seriously
considering and trust me when I say this i s painful for me since I have been a loyal and passionate
kde user for years as Rex can attest.
But enough is enough. If I wanted to install super karamba I
would have installed super karamb
a. Now KDE has pushed it down my throat in the form of
plasmoids the very least they could do is
have the thing work the way it should.
You don't need to have plasmoids everywhere. I don't. Current list of active plasmoids:
Desktop: Panel: Task Manager System Tray Pager Device Notifier Weather Battery Monitor (laptop only) Digital Clock
The point here is that KDE has spent an awful lot of time hard wiring features into the desktop that are eye candy without any real functionality. And in and off itself adds bugs and I can't shut it off or remove it. Even if I don't use any extra plasmoids, the desktop itself is a plasmoid. And it doesn't work right either mind you the being able to drill down folders make it 3/4 done as opposed to 1/2 done.
Nothing that the old panel didn't have that is clutter. Having thing replaceable is great. Now people can get Windows 7-like taskbars without it being forced down everyone's throats (stasks isn't for me). New ways of doing things don't need reworking low-level code. I don't see what isn't working with them (the dual monitor thing I can see, but I couldn't get it to work with Kicker back in KDE3 days either).
4.3 is a personal milestone for me. After a tirade like this
one, to be fair I will wait till 4.4
and leave without a whisper (I'm sure some are saying yea!!!
:) ) . KDE either works the way it
should or I will have to go elsewhere.
Everyone has their limits and you can't please everyone all the time.
Correct.
Thanks for Listening :)
I don't use tts. Reading was fun. :O)
Eli
--Ben
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