I see that according to the KMail Handbook (kdepim-4.4.11) ------------------------------- Mailing List If you are going to use the folder for a mailing list then you should check Folder holds a mailing list to associate this folder with the mailing list. Next you should click on Detect Automatically. -------------------------------
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context? The Handbook does not seem to give any information on this. How does one install a mailing list into a Folder? Could someone give an example of such a mailing list, please.
On 09/08/2011 02:18 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I see that according to the KMail Handbook (kdepim-4.4.11)
Mailing List If you are going to use the folder for a mailing list then you should check Folder holds a mailing list to associate this folder with the mailing list. Next you should click on Detect Automatically.
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context? The Handbook does not seem to give any information on this. How does one install a mailing list into a Folder? Could someone give an example of such a mailing list, please.
My guess is Kmail will try to automatically move messages for a defined mailing list into the folder.
On Thu September 8 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I see that according to the KMail Handbook (kdepim-4.4.11)
Mailing List If you are going to use the folder for a mailing list then you should check Folder holds a mailing list to associate this folder with the mailing list. Next you should click on Detect Automatically.
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context? The Handbook does not seem to give any information on this. How does one install a mailing list into a Folder? Could someone give an example of such a mailing list, please.
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list. I think you're confusing *running* a mailing list with being subscribed to a mailing list and having the messages for that list going into a particular folder specifically for the mailing list.
On Thursday 08 Sep 2011 John Aldrich wrote:
On Thu September 8 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I see that according to the KMail Handbook (kdepim-4.4.11)
Mailing List If you are going to use the folder for a mailing list then you should check Folder holds a mailing list to associate this folder with the mailing list. Next you should click on Detect Automatically.
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context? The Handbook does not seem to give any information on this. How does one install a mailing list into a Folder? Could someone give an example of such a mailing list, please.
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list. I think you're confusing *running* a mailing list with being subscribed to a mailing list and having the messages for that list going into a particular folder specifically for the mailing list.
The other thing it does is to allow you to associate "Reply to List" to that folder.
Anne
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 08 Sep 2011 John Aldrich wrote:
On Thu September 8 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I see that according to the KMail Handbook (kdepim-4.4.11)
Mailing List If you are going to use the folder for a mailing list then you should check Folder holds a mailing list to associate this folder with the mailing list. Next you should click on Detect Automatically.
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context? The Handbook does not seem to give any information on this. How does one install a mailing list into a Folder? Could someone give an example of such a mailing list, please.
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list. I think you're confusing *running* a mailing list with being subscribed to a mailing list and having the messages for that list going into a particular folder specifically for the mailing list.
The other thing it does is to allow you to associate "Reply to List" to that folder.
I should say that what I really want to do is set up my own mailing list, ie a list of email addresses and a facility to send email to a "virtual address", say "MyFriends", which will result in the message being sent to the people on the list.
Is that possible with the current PIM/KMail/KAddressBook?
It used to be possible with KAddressBook, but seems to have disappeared. This is rather difficult to discover, as KAddressBook has not had an official Handbook for many years, despite their being a pointer to it.
Am I alone in wishing that the PIM developers in particular, and KDE developers in general, would stop thinking of clever things to do, and document properly what is available now?
On Friday 09 Sep 2011 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 08 Sep 2011 John Aldrich wrote:
On Thu September 8 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I see that according to the KMail Handbook (kdepim-4.4.11)
Mailing List If you are going to use the folder for a mailing list then you should check Folder holds a mailing list to associate this folder with the mailing list. Next you should click on Detect Automatically.
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context? The Handbook does not seem to give any information on this. How does one install a mailing list into a Folder? Could someone give an example of such a mailing list, please.
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list. I think you're confusing *running* a mailing list with being subscribed to a mailing list and having the messages for that list going into a particular folder specifically for the mailing list.
The other thing it does is to allow you to associate "Reply to List" to that folder.
I should say that what I really want to do is set up my own mailing list, ie a list of email addresses and a facility to send email to a "virtual address", say "MyFriends", which will result in the message being sent to the people on the list.
That is not at all the same thing.
Is that possible with the current PIM/KMail/KAddressBook?
Maybe. KAddressBook now uses Groups instead of Mailing Lists. Over the last couple of years I've had some success with this, but it is patchy. Sometimes the group name remains but some addresses are lost. This is in KMail 1. I hope to have KMail 2 installed this weekend, so I'll test then and let you know what I find.
It used to be possible with KAddressBook, but seems to have disappeared. This is rather difficult to discover, as KAddressBook has not had an official Handbook for many years, despite their being a pointer to it.
Search for KAddressBook in UserBase - that's where the most recent documentation is.
Am I alone in wishing that the PIM developers in particular, and KDE developers in general, would stop thinking of clever things to do, and document properly what is available now?
How would you feel if someone told you what you must do in your spare time?
Anne
Anne Wilson wrote:
I should say that what I really want to do is set up my own mailing list, ie a list of email addresses and a facility to send email to a "virtual address", say "MyFriends", which will result in the message being sent to the people on the list.
Is that possible with the current PIM/KMail/KAddressBook?
Maybe. KAddressBook now uses Groups instead of Mailing Lists. Over the last couple of years I've had some success with this, but it is patchy. Sometimes the group name remains but some addresses are lost. This is in KMail 1. I hope to have KMail 2 installed this weekend, so I'll test then and let you know what I find.
Did you get round to this? I'd be very interested to know if it is possible.
I think I must be misunderstanding something, as surely many people want to send email frequently to a group of say 10-20 people, and don't want to list all the addresses each time? (My wife seems to have no difficulty doing this with Outlook!)
Can this be done in some way with aliases in sendmail, or something like that?
Though in my case, I'd rather keep the list on my server. I do keep an OpenLDAP contact list on my server, and have seen suggestions that one can set up a mailing list with this, though I haven't seen any concrete description of what to do.
Also the link between KAddressBook and OpenLDAP is rather hazy, in my experience, eg OpenLDAP contacts come up in KMail, but not in KAddressBook.
According to "kmail -v" I'm running KMail: 1.13.7 . How will you go up to KMail 2? Do you compile it separately, or are you updating kdepim?
It used to be possible with KAddressBook, but seems to have disappeared. This is rather difficult to discover, as KAddressBook has not had an official Handbook for many years, despite their being a pointer to it.
Search for KAddressBook in UserBase - that's where the most recent documentation is.
I did look at the documentation there, but it did not seem to answer my query. I assume you are responsible for this documentation, in which case I'd like to thank you, as I have found UserBase helpful in several cases.
But I take it this is a substitute for a proper Handbook from the KAddressBook developer or developers?
Am I alone in wishing that the PIM developers in particular, and KDE developers in general, would stop thinking of clever things to do, and document properly what is available now?
How would you feel if someone told you what you must do in your spare time?
I think that is a very dangerous argument. It's only a small step from there to "Linux is rubbish, because it is written by people in their spare time"
In my limited experience, opensource software is at least as good in general as its commercial counterparts. And I think it should be judged by the same standards.
In this case, I think it should be a requirement that anyone offering KDE or Fedora software should provide minimal documentation with it. That does not seem a very onerous request to me. I also think documenting a program is good for a developer, as it clarifies the logic of the program.
On Saturday 17 Sep 2011 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
I should say that what I really want to do is set up my own mailing list, ie a list of email addresses and a facility to send email to a "virtual address", say "MyFriends", which will result in the message being sent to the people on the list.
Is that possible with the current PIM/KMail/KAddressBook?
Maybe. KAddressBook now uses Groups instead of Mailing Lists. Over the last couple of years I've had some success with this, but it is patchy. Sometimes the group name remains but some addresses are lost. This is in KMail 1. I hope to have KMail 2 installed this weekend, so I'll test then and let you know what I find.
Did you get round to this? I'd be very interested to know if it is possible.
Sorry, no I didn't. KMail 2 is not available for Fedora 14, and family reasons have stopped me having time to upgrade to F 15. It may be possible tomorrow - if so, it might take a couple of days to get everything settled down then I'll try KMail 2. Nudge me if I haven't written anything by mid- week.
Anne
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On 09/17/2011 12:59 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
I should say that what I really want to do is set up my own mailing list, ie a list of email addresses and a facility to send email to a "virtual address", say "MyFriends", which will result in the message being sent to the people on the list.
Is that possible with the current PIM/KMail/KAddressBook?
Maybe. KAddressBook now uses Groups instead of Mailing Lists. Over the last couple of years I've had some success with this, but it is patchy. Sometimes the group name remains but some addresses are lost. This is in KMail 1. I hope to have KMail 2 installed this weekend, so I'll test then and let you know what I find.
Did you get round to this? I'd be very interested to know if it is possible.
I'm sorry to say that I can't help at all. Migration appeared to complete. After some fiddling I got Calendar and Contacts working, but KMail defeats me. The Akonadi Resource console tells me that all the resources are ready (there are duplications, but that's the least of my worries) but every time I start KMail it appears to check the folders, then crashes after a few seconds. The few messages that are local (on this laptop) display from the start, but the messages on my IMAP server never get as far as displaying.
Sadly, I have to manage on Thunderbird for now.
Anne
On 09/19/2011 10:03 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
Sadly, I have to manage on Thunderbird for now.
yes, I have had the same unfortunate experience - whatever was going on with the databasing, every attempt I made to accommodate it failed; I eventually lost a huge archive of old mail, some of which wasn't backed up --- don't ask
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On 09/20/2011 05:36 AM, Claude Jones wrote:
On 09/19/2011 10:03 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
Sadly, I have to manage on Thunderbird for now.
yes, I have had the same unfortunate experience - whatever was going on with the databasing, every attempt I made to accommodate it failed; I eventually lost a huge archive of old mail, some of which wasn't backed up --- don't ask
That shouldn't happen. Your mail should not have been touched. I can read all mine either in Thunderbird or in a KMail 1 on the netbook. All akonadi does is make a searchable database and cache messages.
I'm told that the problem is fixed in 4.7.1, so when Rex has solved his problem I'm more hopeful.
Anne
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On 09/20/2011 09:04 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
On 09/20/2011 05:36 AM, Claude Jones wrote:
On 09/19/2011 10:03 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
Sadly, I have to manage on Thunderbird for now.
yes, I have had the same unfortunate experience - whatever was going on with the databasing, every attempt I made to accommodate it failed; I eventually lost a huge archive of old mail, some of which wasn't backed up --- don't ask
That shouldn't happen. Your mail should not have been touched. I can read all mine either in Thunderbird or in a KMail 1 on the netbook. All akonadi does is make a searchable database and cache messages.
I'm told that the problem is fixed in 4.7.1, so when Rex has solved his problem I'm more hopeful.
Just seen on the developer list that they think they have found the reason why some pop3 mail is being lost, and are testing the fix. Meanwhile, they are recommending setting the 'leave messages on server' setting. HTH
It shouldn't have affected your archive, though. That's puzzling.
Anne
On 09/20/2011 04:21 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
It shouldn't have affected your archive, though. That's puzzling.
In my case, I had moved all my mail manually from the old "Local folders" structure to the new "KMail folders" structure. Then, I thought I could delete the old folders - that's when everything went to hell. I have a complete archive on my work machine so at some point, I'll copy it on to a big thumb drive and restore it on my home machine, but I'm waiting for things to stabilize before I do...
Am 20.09.2011 10:04, schrieb Anne Wilson:
On 09/20/2011 05:36 AM, Claude Jones wrote:
On 09/19/2011 10:03 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
Sadly, I have to manage on Thunderbird for now.
yes, I have had the same unfortunate experience - whatever was going on with the databasing, every attempt I made to accommodate it failed; I eventually lost a huge archive of old mail, some of which wasn't backed up --- don't ask
That shouldn't happen. Your mail should not have been touched. I can read all mine either in Thunderbird or in a KMail 1 on the netbook. All akonadi does is make a searchable database and cache messages.
Hallo Anne
This may be true in theory, but I lost many mails as well during my tests with kmail2. I have some folders set up to delete mails older than two months (mailinglist folders) and kmail2 moved these settings to random folders. suddenly one of my archive folders has lost almost all the content (as kmail2 automatically removed all mails older than two months) (I must confess this was very fast - it took hours to restore all mails).
I have backups, but is was not amusing to check every folder if there were mails deleted or not.
At least it was not akonadi which removed my mails. But to an enduser this does not mater.
Martin
I'm told that the problem is fixed in 4.7.1, so when Rex has solved his problem I'm more hopeful.
Anne
John Aldrich wrote:
On Thu September 8 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I see that according to the KMail Handbook (kdepim-4.4.11)
Mailing List If you are going to use the folder for a mailing list then you should check Folder holds a mailing list to associate this folder with the mailing list. Next you should click on Detect Automatically.
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context? The Handbook does not seem to give any information on this. How does one install a mailing list into a Folder? Could someone give an example of such a mailing list, please.
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list. I think you're confusing *running* a mailing list with being subscribed to a mailing list and having the messages for that list going into a particular folder specifically for the mailing list.
The sentence I cited above contains the term "mailing list" 3 times. I'm asking about the second occurrence. The sentence doesn't make any sense to me if you use your example for this occurrence.
John Aldrich wrote:
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context?
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list.
Is this an email address? It seems a very strange one.
On Fri September 9 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:
John Aldrich wrote:
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context?
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list.
Is this an email address? It seems a very strange one.
that is the email address for the KDE/Fedora mailing list. How do you access this (KDE/Fedora) mailing list??
John Aldrich wrote:
On Fri September 9 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote:
John Aldrich wrote:
What exactly is a "mailing list" in this context?
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list.
Is this an email address? It seems a very strange one.
that is the email address for the KDE/Fedora mailing list. How do you access this (KDE/Fedora) mailing list??
According to the mail headers, he's using the Gmane NNTP gateway (through KNode, though that doesn't matter here), which (to prevent spam) mangles all the e-mail addresses in messages.
I also use Gmane (also with KNode) and I see "KDE-" + a bunch of ASCII gibberish (looks like a BASE64 encoding of a hash) + at sign + "public.gmane.org".
FWIW, IMHO, Gmane + KNode is a really nice way to read mailing lists, NNTP is much more suited for discussion than e-mail (even more so because I use POP3 for my e-mail, which just doesn't scale to mailing lists).
Kevin Kofler
John Aldrich wrote:
The KDE@lists.fedoraproject.org is a mailing list.
Is this an email address? It seems a very strange one.
that is the email address for the KDE/Fedora mailing list. How do you access this (KDE/Fedora) mailing list??
Through the gmane newsgroup (using knode).
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