11:24 a.m.
A few days ago I installed a Creative SB X-Fi Surround 5.1 box - a USB device
that allows you to use good speakers from your laptop. At first I had no
success at all, but following the steps at
http://fedorasolved.org/Members/fenris02/pulseaudio-fixes-and-workarounds got
me started. This is where the fun and games begins.
When I look at System Settings > Phonon, the number of devices that are listed
varies enormously. I have seen about 10 on one occasion. Today there are 3,
one of which is greyed out. I have no idea what causes the devices to be seen
on some occasions but not on others. FWIW, the 5.1 system tops the list, the
laptop's internal speakers are next, then the greyed out one is another
configuration of the 5.1 system.
Then there's sound output from applications. On the occasion that all the
devices were listed I had good sound from front and rear, left and right, no
center and no bass. Today, from a CD + VLC I have good sterio sound from rear
L and R - nothing from the other speakers. Amarok simply outputs through the
center speaker. Clementine plays through the laptop's speakers.
I'm rather at a loss with this so any ideas you might have would be very
welcome.
Anne
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4:16 a.m.
On Friday 11 March 2011 17:24:22 Anne Wilson wrote:
A few days ago I installed a Creative SB X-Fi Surround 5.1 box - a
USB
device that allows you to use good speakers from your laptop. At first I
had no success at all, but following the steps at
http://fedorasolved.org/Members/fenris02/pulseaudio-fixes-and-workarounds
got me started. This is where the fun and games begins.
When I look at System Settings > Phonon, the number of devices that are
listed varies enormously. I have seen about 10 on one occasion. Today
there are 3, one of which is greyed out. I have no idea what causes the
devices to be seen on some occasions but not on others. FWIW, the 5.1
system tops the list, the laptop's internal speakers are next, then the
greyed out one is another configuration of the 5.1 system.
Then there's sound output from applications. On the occasion that all the
devices were listed I had good sound from front and rear, left and right,
no center and no bass. Today, from a CD + VLC I have good sterio sound
from rear L and R - nothing from the other speakers. Amarok simply
outputs through the center speaker. Clementine plays through the laptop's
speakers.
I'm rather at a loss with this so any ideas you might have would be very
welcome.
It seems that some change I made yesterday has made a difference - but not for
the better. Now the Phonon page is systemsettings shows only PulseAudio as
the output. Using the Test button, I get stereo sound from the rear speakers
as before, but no application appears to be able to work with it. Every
player I've tried is silent :-(
Do I really have to remove PA?
Anne
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11:58 a.m.
On 03/11/2011 11:24 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
A few days ago I installed a Creative SB X-Fi Surround 5.1 box - a
USB device
that allows you to use good speakers from your laptop. At first I had no
success at all, but following the steps at
http://fedorasolved.org/Members/fenris02/pulseaudio-fixes-and-workarounds got
me started. This is where the fun and games begins.
When I look at System Settings> Phonon, the number of devices that are listed
varies enormously. I have seen about 10 on one occasion. Today there are 3,
one of which is greyed out. I have no idea what causes the devices to be seen
on some occasions but not on others. FWIW, the 5.1 system tops the list, the
laptop's internal speakers are next, then the greyed out one is another
configuration of the 5.1 system.
Hi,
maybe you want make this change:
resample-method = trivial
in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
and reboot your machine , I have trouble restarting pulseaudio in F14
via killing the pulseaudio seems pulseaudio restart itself so executing
start-pulseaudio-kde after the kill leaves sometimes some app without sound
another issue what phonon-backend do you use I was using using
phonon-backend-vlc but because of:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264292#c4
after following the instructions in that comment and reboot, after oa
few hours the problem came back following the instructions again and
changing to phonon-backend-gstreamer and reboot again, and the problem
was fixed or at least minimized
regards,
Gabriel
12:24 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 17:58:05 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
On 03/11/2011 11:24 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> A few days ago I installed a Creative SB X-Fi Surround 5.1 box - a USB
> device that allows you to use good speakers from your laptop. At first
> I had no success at all, but following the steps at
> http://fedorasolved.org/Members/fenris02/pulseaudio-fixes-and-workarounds
> got me started. This is where the fun and games begins.
>
> When I look at System Settings> Phonon, the number of devices that are
> listed varies enormously. I have seen about 10 on one occasion. Today
> there are 3, one of which is greyed out. I have no idea what causes the
> devices to be seen on some occasions but not on others. FWIW, the 5.1
> system tops the list, the laptop's internal speakers are next, then the
> greyed out one is another configuration of the 5.1 system.
Hi,
maybe you want make this change:
resample-method = trivial
in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
and reboot your machine , I have trouble restarting pulseaudio in F14
via killing the pulseaudio seems pulseaudio restart itself so executing
start-pulseaudio-kde after the kill leaves sometimes some app without sound
another issue what phonon-backend do you use I was using using
phonon-backend-vlc but because of:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264292#c4
after following the instructions in that comment and reboot, after oa
few hours the problem came back following the instructions again and
changing to phonon-backend-gstreamer and reboot again, and the problem
was fixed or at least minimized
I don't think pulseaudio was properly installed, for some reason. After
trying a few commands that I found on blogs I got a message saying that no
pulseaudio daemon was running, and I couldn't find any way to get it.
Rebooting didn't do it, so I assume that something was missing stopping it
from initialising at bootup. I never say any phonon-anything backends offered
- just xine, gstreamer and vlc.
I've removed PA altogether, and at least have sound from a single speaker now.
I could really use some help to re-install PA properly this time. If I can
get so far I can try your suggestions.
Thanks for answering
Anne
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12:41 p.m.
On 03/12/2011 12:24 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
I don't think pulseaudio was properly installed, for some reason.
After
trying a few commands that I found on blogs I got a message saying that no
pulseaudio daemon was running, and I couldn't find any way to get it.
Rebooting didn't do it, so I assume that something was missing stopping it
from initialising at bootup. I never say any phonon-anything backends offered
- just xine, gstreamer and vlc.
well, sometimes pulseaudio starts but crashes because consumes too much
cpu, but changing the daemon.conf is a workaroud for that
sorry xine, gstreamer and vlc are fine, I was referring to the rpm
packages names
I've removed PA altogether, and at least have sound from a single speaker now.
I could really use some help to re-install PA properly this time. If I can
get so far I can try your suggestions.
only reinstall the pulseaudio rpms and yum reinstall
/usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde , I never added or removed of pulseaudio
related stuff from the Fedora 14cinstall via DVD
Gabriel
Thanks for answering
Anne
12:57 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 18:41:06 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
On 03/12/2011 12:24 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> I don't think pulseaudio was properly installed, for some reason. After
> trying a few commands that I found on blogs I got a message saying that
> no pulseaudio daemon was running, and I couldn't find any way to get it.
> Rebooting didn't do it, so I assume that something was missing stopping
> it from initialising at bootup. I never say any phonon-anything
> backends offered - just xine, gstreamer and vlc.
well, sometimes pulseaudio starts but crashes because consumes too much
cpu, but changing the daemon.conf is a workaroud for that
sorry xine, gstreamer and vlc are fine, I was referring to the rpm
packages names
> I've removed PA altogether, and at least have sound from a single speaker
> now. I could really use some help to re-install PA properly this time.
> If I can get so far I can try your suggestions.
only reinstall the pulseaudio rpms and yum reinstall
/usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde , I never added or removed of pulseaudio
related stuff from the Fedora 14cinstall via DVD
/usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde - now that's a name I don't recall seeing
before. I'll give it a try and let you know what happens.
Anne
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1:27 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 18:41:06 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
only reinstall the pulseaudio rpms and yum reinstall
/usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde , I never added or removed of pulseaudio
related stuff from the Fedora 14cinstall via DVD
At one point I had some success in getting sound to work - not perfect, but
not unbearable. Amarok played 2.5 tracks, then popped up a message saying
that it could not work with the 5.1 soundcard. From that point on, it seems
to have been broken. I know that my attempts to fix it, eventually to remove
it and start again, may be part of the problem.
Anyway, I have now installed pulseaudio* alsa-plugins-pulseaudio kde-
settings-pulseaudio pavucontrol pavumeter paprefs paman padevchooser. For
start-pulseaudio-kde I'm told that no such package is available?
KMix shows only two instances of Internal Audio Analog Sterio on the Playback
tab bit SB X-Fi 5.1 shows on the Capture tab. The Phonon page in System
Settings shows only Internal Audio Analog Stereo as active. My 5.1 card is
listed, but greyed out.
I heard no startup sound. Sounds from /usr/share/sounds don't play in
Kaffeine. It looks as though I'm back to silence.
Annr
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1:29 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 18:41:06 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
> If I can get so far I can try your suggestions.
only reinstall the pulseaudio rpms and yum reinstall
/usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde , I never added or removed of pulseaudio
related stuff from the Fedora 14cinstall via DVD
It seems that start-pulseaudio-kde comes from a larger package, as it must be
already installed.
start-pulseaudio-kde
Failure: Module initalization failed
Anne
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2:43 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 19:29:19 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 12 March 2011 18:41:06 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
> > If I can get so far I can try your suggestions.
>
> only reinstall the pulseaudio rpms and yum reinstall
> /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde , I never added or removed of pulseaudio
> related stuff from the Fedora 14cinstall via DVD
It seems that start-pulseaudio-kde comes from a larger package, as it must
be already installed.
start-pulseaudio-kde
Failure: Module initalization failed
I don't know what I've done now, but after rebooting Dolphin starts with a
blank grey page, and system monitor shows it in disk sleep. I see that 'disk
sleep' every time something fails - my experiments with rsync across the LAN
did the same thing, and I found no way but to reboot - but this time even
rebooting doesn't cure it.
<A couple of minutes later>
Yikes! Loud startup music! All my devices are now visible in systemsettings,
and dolphin is working again. As far as I know, all I did was try to persuade
/etc/pulse/daemon.conf to write a debug-level logfile to /var/log/pulse.log
(which it didn't) - how strange!
I wonder, dare I try amarok again? Tomorrow morning.
Anne
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5:11 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 20:43:29 Anne Wilson wrote:
I see that 'disk sleep' every time something fails
This rings a bell with me (no pun intended ;-) ). I have seen problems like
this in the previous days where I get some programs with the D state on htop
even although the CPUs are free (mostly). Like today morning when I was
installing some program using yum that was in a disk sleep state, really
weird.
Sometimes that also happens when kmix is taking lots of cpu. FWIW I am not
sure these two are related.
This are just symptoms as I have not yet found a cause. After some time those
problems disapear and the system works as intented.
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3:06 a.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 23:11:36 José Matos wrote:
On Saturday 12 March 2011 20:43:29 Anne Wilson wrote:
> I see that 'disk sleep' every time something fails
This rings a bell with me (no pun intended ;-) ). I have seen problems like
this in the previous days where I get some programs with the D state on
htop even although the CPUs are free (mostly). Like today morning when I
was installing some program using yum that was in a disk sleep state,
really weird.
Sometimes that also happens when kmix is taking lots of cpu. FWIW I am not
sure these two are related.
This are just symptoms as I have not yet found a cause. After some time
those problems disapear and the system works as intented.
When I was seeing the problem during my rsync experiments I tried leaving
things alone for quite a long time, without them clearing. Since we don't
have a clue at the moment as to the cause it's hard to do any serious
troubleshooting.
I assume it has something to do with kio-slaves (something I know nothing
about) because when that happens I can't run Dolphin or KWrite or a number of
other applications. They all open with a blank grey screen. Working without
a file manager is extremely slow ;-)
Anne
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4:17 a.m.
On 03/12/2011 05:11 PM, José Matos wrote:
On Saturday 12 March 2011 20:43:29 Anne Wilson wrote:
> I see that 'disk sleep' every time something fails
This rings a bell with me (no pun intended ;-) ). I have seen problems like
this in the previous days where I get some programs with the D state on htop
even although the CPUs are free (mostly). Like today morning when I was
installing some program using yum that was in a disk sleep state, really
weird.
Sometimes that also happens when kmix is taking lots of cpu. FWIW I am not
sure these two are related.
will you look the files sizes from
ls -la ~/.kde/share/apps/kmix/profiles/ if you have a file with a size
from a 1Mb maybe you want to look at
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264292
the above happens with a local pulseaudio sound server and using vlc as
backend,
the workaround is at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264292#c4 but
maybe restarting the machine after moving the files is a good idea
Gabriel
This are just symptoms as I have not yet found a cause. After some time those
problems disapear and the system works as intented.
5:08 a.m.
On Sunday 13 March 2011 09:17:21 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
On 03/12/2011 05:11 PM, José Matos wrote:
> On Saturday 12 March 2011 20:43:29 Anne Wilson wrote:
>> I see that 'disk sleep' every time something fails
>
> This rings a bell with me (no pun intended ;-) ). I have seen problems
> like this in the previous days where I get some programs with the D
> state on htop even although the CPUs are free (mostly). Like today
> morning when I was installing some program using yum that was in a disk
> sleep state, really weird.
>
> Sometimes that also happens when kmix is taking lots of cpu. FWIW I am
> not sure these two are related.
will you look the files sizes from
ls -la ~/.kde/share/apps/kmix/profiles/ if you have a file with a size
from a 1Mb maybe you want to look at
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264292
There's only one file -
-rw-rw-r--. 1 anne anne 492 Mar 12 16:20
PulseAudio.Playback_Devices.1.Controls.xml
the above happens with a local pulseaudio sound server and using vlc
as
backend,
I'm using the gstreamser backend - although I have tried the vlc backend
sometimes, so it might have been a cause.
the workaround is at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264292#c4
but
maybe restarting the machine after moving the files is a good idea
Anne
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4:07 a.m.
On 03/12/2011 02:43 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
Yikes! Loud startup music! All my devices are now visible in systemsettings,
and dolphin is working again. As far as I know, all I did was try to persuade
/etc/pulse/daemon.conf to write a debug-level logfile to /var/log/pulse.log
(which it didn't) - how strange!
a shot in the dark well a possible explanation, to the above, when do
you added that option, somewhat it slowed pulseaudio so it no used too
much CPU so as result didnt get killed.
Gabriel
5:12 a.m.
On Sunday 13 March 2011 09:07:10 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
On 03/12/2011 02:43 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Yikes! Loud startup music! All my devices are now visible in
> systemsettings, and dolphin is working again. As far as I know, all I
> did was try to persuade /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to write a debug-level
> logfile to /var/log/pulse.log (which it didn't) - how strange!
a shot in the dark well a possible explanation, to the above, when do
you added that option, somewhat it slowed pulseaudio so it no used too
much CPU so as result didnt get killed.
Could be. Do you think this line in dmesg is important?
13.268068] ALSA sound/usb/clock.c:219: 8:1:1: endpoint lacks sample rate
attribute bit, cannot set.
Anne
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3:59 a.m.
On 03/12/2011 01:29 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 12 March 2011 18:41:06 Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
>> If I can get so far I can try your suggestions.
>
> only reinstall the pulseaudio rpms and yum reinstall
> /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde , I never added or removed of pulseaudio
> related stuff from the Fedora 14cinstall via DVD
>
It seems that start-pulseaudio-kde comes from a larger package, as it must be
already installed.
start-pulseaudio-kde
Failure: Module initalization failed
Hi,
yeah start-pulseaudio-kde is a script, ran automatically at kde start
session automatically without user intervention.
and the failure above MAYBE is (pulseaudio, phonon are obscure arts for
me) in some machines, well in my machine, is impossible to kill and
start again or simply restart pulseaudio, so in my computer any change
in pulseaudio or phonon configuration I needed to reboot to get sound
working.
so start-pulseaudio-kde only works for me, when runs automatically at
kde session start, I know which other machines don't have that problem
in few words in , damn in the first email forgot to include this
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566915#c28, again in few
words pulseaudio crashes because wants to use too much CPU, so while
pulseaudio is to be fixed you can use the workaround in
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566915#c32
Gabriel
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