mgoodwin started a chat in #fedora-kde irc yesterday about libreoffice and some new developments wrt qt5 integration, which led to a feature request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1647233 "VCL gtk3-kde5 is available with 6.1 and should be enabled with --enable- gtk3-kde5"
Part of the comments there raised the possibility of dropping kde4 support, which I assume would need to happen sooner or later. Ultimately, thought it best to discuss it here. Opinions?
-- Rex
Rex Dieter wrote:
mgoodwin started a chat in #fedora-kde irc yesterday about libreoffice and some new developments wrt qt5 integration, which led to a feature request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1647233 "VCL gtk3-kde5 is available with 6.1 and should be enabled with --enable- gtk3-kde5"
Part of the comments there raised the possibility of dropping kde4 support,which I assume would need to happen sooner or later. Ultimately, thought it best to discuss it here. Opinions?
I think this can happen if and when, and only if and when, the real kde5 NWF using qt5 gets enabled, not the gtk3-based hack.
I'll use the kde4 NWF over the gtk3 or gtk3-kde5 one any day!
Kevin Kofler
Let me start off by saying that I'm aware the new KDE5/Qt5 integration is due Q1 2019, and I was simply hoping we could get this flag enabled in the meantime since I don't see any harm in doing so presently. (To my knowledge you'd have to export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3-kde5 in order to use it)
I'm behind rdieter's wish to gut the remaining KDE4 support, and also behind Kevin's idea that doing so should wait until Qt5 support comes soon.
Regardless, people should have the option to use gtk3-kde5, since it's a new feature in 6.1, and I don't think it's mutually exclusive to the task of removing KDE4 support.
I think KDE4 support is a big enough umbrella that it warrants its own ticket - that can perhaps also serve to track the impending KDE5/Qt5 support as well.
- Michael Goodwin
Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
Rex Dieter wrote:
mgoodwin started a chat in #fedora-kde irc yesterday about libreoffice and some new developments wrt qt5 integration, which led to a feature request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1647233 "VCL gtk3-kde5 is available with 6.1 and should be enabled with --enable- gtk3-kde5"
Part of the comments there raised the possibility of dropping kde4 support,which I assume would need to happen sooner or later. Ultimately, thought it best to discuss it here. Opinions?
I think this can happen if and when, and only if and when, the real kde5 NWF using qt5 gets enabled, not the gtk3-based hack.
I'll use the kde4 NWF over the gtk3 or gtk3-kde5 one any day!
I disagree here: I think it's totally safe to enable this temporary version and have it available. It is certainly more integrated than the old kdelibs 4.x version. We also don't need to immediately depend on it.
But shouldn't this be a decision of the libreoffice packagers?
Ciao
Luigi Toscano wrote:
Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
Rex Dieter wrote:
mgoodwin started a chat in #fedora-kde irc yesterday about libreoffice and some new developments wrt qt5 integration, which led to a feature request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1647233 "VCL gtk3-kde5 is available with 6.1 and should be enabled with --enable- gtk3-kde5"
Part of the comments there raised the possibility of dropping kde4 support,which I assume would need to happen sooner or later. Ultimately, thought it best to discuss it here. Opinions?
I think this can happen if and when, and only if and when, the real kde5 NWF using qt5 gets enabled, not the gtk3-based hack.
I'll use the kde4 NWF over the gtk3 or gtk3-kde5 one any day!
I disagree here: I think it's totally safe to enable this temporary version and have it available. It is certainly more integrated than the old kdelibs 4.x version. We also don't need to immediately depend on it.
But shouldn't this be a decision of the libreoffice packagers?
It is, if you look in the bug, the libreoffice maintainer asked for some feedback, and I offered to take it to kde-sig. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.
-- Rex
Luigi Toscano wrote:
I disagree here: I think it's totally safe to enable this temporary version and have it available. It is certainly more integrated than the old kdelibs 4.x version. We also don't need to immediately depend on it.
I have absolutely no objection to enabling gtk3-kde5 in an additional subpackage.
What I object to is removing the kde4 subpackage before the native kde5 one is ready! It should be perfectly possible to ship both. The -devel packages don't conflict, at least.
Kevin Kofler
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
mgoodwin started a chat in #fedora-kde irc yesterday about libreoffice and some new developments wrt qt5 integration, which led to a feature request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1647233 "VCL gtk3-kde5 is available with 6.1 and should be enabled with --enable- gtk3-kde5"
Part of the comments there raised the possibility of dropping kde4 support,which I assume would need to happen sooner or later. Ultimately, thought it best to discuss it here. Opinions?
I think this can happen if and when, and only if and when, the real kde5 NWF using qt5 gets enabled, not the gtk3-based hack.
I'll use the kde4 NWF over the gtk3 or gtk3-kde5 one any day!
That follows what I think we found a bit of consensus on in the kde-sig meeting today. Our current recommendation to libreoffice maintainer:
If you're open to incremental changes, please enable gtk3-kde5 now, and keep -kde4 around for now.
Otherwise, when 6.2 lands with better/full Qt5 support, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.2#KDE_5, enable that, and drop/replace -kde4 (and gtk3-kde5) then.
-- Rex
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