Fwd: Re: PolicyKit-qt and PolicyKit 1

[Jaroslav Reznik]

Conversation with Dario Freddi and his quick response... It's sad I have no 
such response from PolKit/Fedora people...

Jaroslav

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Asunto: Re: PolicyKit-qt and PolicyKit 1
Fecha: Viernes 22 Mayo 2009
De: Dario Freddi 
Para: Jaroslav Reznik

Hi Jaroslav,

Thanks a lot :) if you could provide some additional man power, the
thing that needs porting is polkit-qt (kdesupport). We would _really_
like to use the new DBus interface, so that the new product will
depend only on DBus calls and not on external libraries, as we don't
want another libpolkit-grant fiasco. Let me know what you think, for
what it's worth, we could start porting tomorrow.

2009/5/22, Jaroslav Reznik :
> Hi Dario,
> I'm Fedore KDE maintainer and as Fedora is moving soon to PolicyKit 1 I'd
> like
> to ask if someone is working on PK1 support or if there are some plans for
> its
> support. It's going to be default for Fedora 12 so we are going to miss KDE
> release...
> As we really need it soon and it comes from Fedora Desktop Team (the Linux
> desktop hell ;-) we can (should) help with porting.
> More info could be found in [1] with (too) simple porting guide [2].
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PolicyKitOne
> [2] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/PolicyKit/tree/docs/PORTING-GUIDE
>
> Thanks
> Jaroslav

[Rex Dieter]

On 05/22/2009 08:47 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> Conversation with Dario Freddi and his quick response... It's sad I have no
> such response from PolKit/Fedora people...

Whoa,
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/2009-May/000119.html

-- Rex

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:
> On 05/22/2009 08:47 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > Conversation with Dario Freddi and his quick response... It's sad I have no
> > such response from PolKit/Fedora people...
>
> Whoa,
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/2009-May/000119.html
>
> -- Rex

Please correct my comprehension of these emails, but is Fedora 12
going to have a must have desktop feature that is only supported by
Gnome?

[Rex Dieter]

On 05/23/2009 05:16 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:
> > On 05/22/2009 08:47 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > > Conversation with Dario Freddi and his quick response... It's sad I have no
> > > such response from PolKit/Fedora people...
> >
> > Whoa,
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/2009-May/000119.html
> Please correct my comprehension of these emails, but is Fedora 12
> going to have a must have desktop feature that is only supported by
> Gnome?

Part of our (kde-sig) evaluation here is whether there is sufficient api 
docs, collaboration, etc... to make a best effort to make F12/KDE use or 
be compatible with the PolicyKit1 feature ( 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PolicyKitOne )

Lacking that, we would have several options, including
* request FESCo to reject this feature for F12 as not ready (and use the 
fallback plan).
* drop PolicyKit support altogether

-- Rex

[Kevin Kofler]

Rex Dieter wrote:
> drop PolicyKit support altogether

The problem is that PackageKit requires PolicyKit. We'd have to start the
GNOME PolicyKit authentication agent if we can't provide our own (and just
installing it is no longer enough because it doesn't use D-Bus activation
anymore, it needs to be autostarted in the desktop session). That or have a
second version of PackageKit built against PolicyKit 0.9, but I think
rhughes won't like that idea.

Kevin Kofler

[Steven M. Parrish]

On Saturday 23 May 2009 18:42:31 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > drop PolicyKit support altogether
>
> The problem is that PackageKit requires PolicyKit. We'd have to start the
> GNOME PolicyKit authentication agent if we can't provide our own (and just
> installing it is no longer enough because it doesn't use D-Bus activation
> anymore, it needs to be autostarted in the desktop session). That or have a
> second version of PackageKit built against PolicyKit 0.9, but I think
> rhughes won't like that idea.
>     Kevin Kofler
>
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IMO dropping PolicyKit support is not an issue.  We need to get FESCO to 
understand that KDE is not PolicyKit1 ready and in the event that we can't get 
it there by F12 that this feature will need to be bumped to F13.  They need to 
realize that a feature that effects multiple desktops cannot be imposed 
unilaterally.

I now see what Rex means, the KDE-SiG needs a voice in FESCO.

Steven Parrish

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Domingo 24 Mayo 2009 00:42:31 Kevin Kofler escribió:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > drop PolicyKit support altogether
>
> The problem is that PackageKit requires PolicyKit. We'd have to start the
> GNOME PolicyKit authentication agent if we can't provide our own (and just
> installing it is no longer enough because it doesn't use D-Bus activation
> anymore, it needs to be autostarted in the desktop session). That or have a
> second version of PackageKit built against PolicyKit 0.9, but I think
> rhughes won't like that idea.

Indeed, we need it.

I asked them to add polkit-qt/kde to their blocker but no action... I'm trying 
to understand changes from patches, source code, docs to prepare quick&dirty 
polkit support. But it's not long term solution.

One question: is there freedesktop.org board?

Jaroslav
>     Kevin Kofler
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[Rex Dieter]

On 05/25/2009 02:33 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> On Domingo 24 Mayo 2009 00:42:31 Kevin Kofler escribió:
> > Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > drop PolicyKit support altogether
> >
> > The problem is that PackageKit requires PolicyKit. We'd have to start the
> > GNOME PolicyKit authentication agent if we can't provide our own (and just
> > installing it is no longer enough because it doesn't use D-Bus activation
> > anymore, it needs to be autostarted in the desktop session). That or have a
> > second version of PackageKit built against PolicyKit 0.9, but I think
> > rhughes won't like that idea.
>
> Indeed, we need it.
>
> I asked them to add polkit-qt/kde to their blocker but no action...

It's a wiki, "just do it".

-- Rex

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Lunes 25 Mayo 2009 15:53:14 Rex Dieter escribió:
> On 05/25/2009 02:33 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > On Domingo 24 Mayo 2009 00:42:31 Kevin Kofler escribió:
> > > Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > drop PolicyKit support altogether
> > >
> > > The problem is that PackageKit requires PolicyKit. We'd have to start
> > > the GNOME PolicyKit authentication agent if we can't provide our own
> > > (and just installing it is no longer enough because it doesn't use D-Bus
> > > activation anymore, it needs to be autostarted in the desktop session).
> > > That or have a second version of PackageKit built against PolicyKit 0.9,
> > > but I think rhughes won't like that idea.
> >
> > Indeed, we need it.
> >
> > I asked them to add polkit-qt/kde to their blocker but no action...
>
> It's a wiki, "just do it".

I know it's wiki but I think modifying-only is not enough to accept it as 
blocker from them.

But (possibly) good news - I have quick&dirty port of polkit-qt to PK1. Not 
build yet as I need F11 for it (newer glib, gio, missing packages). But it's a 
good first step. Lot of code dissapeared, some is rewritten from scratch and 
as there's really bad documentation...

Jaroslav
> -- Rex
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[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Sábado 23 Mayo 2009 23:40:42 Rex Dieter escribió:
> On 05/22/2009 08:47 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > Conversation with Dario Freddi and his quick response... It's sad I have
> > no such response from PolKit/Fedora people...
>
> Whoa,
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/2009-May/000119.html

I was talking with Dario in time of writing this mail ;-)

Jaroslav
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