Pulseaudio - mutliuser issues.

[Robin Laing]

I use multiple accounts and recently a major headache has occurred with 
pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.

From what I have found so far is that one account takes over a media 
output device.

On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all audio but the HDMI 
says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do have an audio output 
jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.

On average, I have two or three accounts open for work and private stuff 
which has worked for many years with no problems.  Recently, the issue 
has arose that the one account I use for general day to day stuff has 
taken over the sound card for only it's usage.

The second account that is for work has tried to use the HDMI output but 
cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I restart pulseaudio, 
then no devices are found until I at least lock the account and log back in.

If I open a third account which I have to use for online related work, I 
have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.

I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am lost.  Most online 
troubleshooting help is geared to a single account being used.

To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player and in the second 
account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart pulseaudio.  It 
works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the only device as there 
are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as I have cloned the 
configuration from the account that works.

No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last November which would 
have been the upgrade to F33.

Where do I start?

Robin

[Lukas Ruzicka]

Hello,

I have never experienced that one account would steal a sound device from
other accounts, if that account is not being used at the moment.
Interesting.
First I would start by installing *pavucontrol* and I would try looking if
the cards are visible there and if they can be chosen for output.
Then, I would also consider switching to PipeWire, which is possible on
Fedora 33 by installing the *pipewire* package and the *pipewire-pulseaudio*
package.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:30 AM Robin Laing  wrote:
> I use multiple accounts and recently a major headache has occurred with
> pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.
>
> From what I have found so far is that one account takes over a media
> output device.
>
> On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all audio but the HDMI
> says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do have an audio output
> jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.
>
> On average, I have two or three accounts open for work and private stuff
> which has worked for many years with no problems.  Recently, the issue
> has arose that the one account I use for general day to day stuff has
> taken over the sound card for only it's usage.
>
> The second account that is for work has tried to use the HDMI output but
> cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I restart pulseaudio,
> then no devices are found until I at least lock the account and log back
> in.
>
> If I open a third account which I have to use for online related work, I
> have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.
>
> I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am lost.  Most online
> troubleshooting help is geared to a single account being used.
>
> To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player and in the second
> account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart pulseaudio.  It
> works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the only device as there
> are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as I have cloned the
> configuration from the account that works.
>
> No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last November which would
> have been the upgrade to F33.
>
> Where do I start?
>
> Robin
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[Robin Laing]

Hello Lukas

Don't normally top post but.

Okay, installed pavcontrol and in the one account I get both the
    Built-in Audio Analog Surround 5.1
and
    GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)

In the second account I only get.
    
    GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)

I am also getting an error if I try to get a screen shot in the second 
account.

In the third account I only get a dummy output right after switching in 
and logging in for the first time.

I will have to do some more testing but it seems that the first account 
to use audio takes control of the 5.1 output but will confirm.

Will look at pipewire.

Robin

On 10/04/2021 11:10, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have never experienced that one account would steal a sound device 
> from other accounts, if that account is not being used at the moment.
> Interesting.
> First I would start by installing *pavucontrol* and I would try looking 
> if the cards are visible there and if they can be chosen for output.
> Then, I would also consider switching to PipeWire, which is possible on 
> Fedora 33 by installing the *pipewire* package and the 
> *pipewire-pulseaudio* package.
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:30 AM Robin Laing <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> I use multiple accounts and recently a major headache has occurred with
> pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.
>
>   From what I have found so far is that one account takes over a media
> output device.
>
> On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all audio but the
> HDMI
> says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do have an audio output
> jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.
>
> On average, I have two or three accounts open for work and private
> stuff
> which has worked for many years with no problems.  Recently, the issue
> has arose that the one account I use for general day to day stuff has
> taken over the sound card for only it's usage.
>
> The second account that is for work has tried to use the HDMI output
> but
> cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I restart pulseaudio,
> then no devices are found until I at least lock the account and log
> back in.
>
> If I open a third account which I have to use for online related
> work, I
> have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.
>
> I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am lost.  Most online
> troubleshooting help is geared to a single account being used.
>
> To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player and in the second
> account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart pulseaudio.  It
> works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the only device as
> there
> are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as I have cloned
> the
> configuration from the account that works.
>
> No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last November which would
> have been the upgrade to F33.
>
>
> Where do I start?
>
>
> Robin

Okay

[Lukas Ruzicka]

Hello,
you could also check for the following:

- Is it always a particular account that takes the audio or is the first
   logged in after a fresh reboot?
   - Is any of the accounts in some special group? Like audio for instance?
   - When you create a completely new user, how does it behave?

Luk

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 9:37 PM Robin Laing  wrote:
> Hello Lukas
>
> Don't normally top post but.
>
> Okay, installed pavcontrol and in the one account I get both the
>         Built-in Audio Analog Surround 5.1
> and
>         GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)
>
> In the second account I only get.
>     GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)
>
> I am also getting an error if I try to get a screen shot in the second
> account.
>
> In the third account I only get a dummy output right after switching in
> and logging in for the first time.
>
> I will have to do some more testing but it seems that the first account
> to use audio takes control of the 5.1 output but will confirm.
>
> Will look at pipewire.
>
> Robin
>
> On 10/04/2021 11:10, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have never experienced that one account would steal a sound device
> > from other accounts, if that account is not being used at the moment.
> > Interesting.
> > First I would start by installing *pavucontrol* and I would try looking
> > if the cards are visible there and if they can be chosen for output.
> > Then, I would also consider switching to PipeWire, which is possible on
> > Fedora 33 by installing the *pipewire* package and the
> > *pipewire-pulseaudio* package.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:30 AM Robin Laing <[e-mail]
> > > wrote:
> > I use multiple accounts and recently a major headache has occurred
>
> with
> > pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.
> >
> >   From what I have found so far is that one account takes over a
>
> media
> > output device.
> >
> > On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all audio but the
> > HDMI
> > says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do have an audio
>
> output
> > jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.
> >
> > On average, I have two or three accounts open for work and private
> > stuff
> > which has worked for many years with no problems.  Recently, the
>
> issue
> > has arose that the one account I use for general day to day stuff has
> > taken over the sound card for only it's usage.
> >
> > The second account that is for work has tried to use the HDMI output
> > but
> > cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I restart
>
> pulseaudio,
> > then no devices are found until I at least lock the account and log
> > back in.
> >
> > If I open a third account which I have to use for online related
> > work, I
> > have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.
> >
> > I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am lost.  Most online
> > troubleshooting help is geared to a single account being used.
> >
> > To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player and in the
>
> second
> > account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart pulseaudio.  It
> > works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the only device as
> > there
> > are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as I have cloned
> > the
> > configuration from the account that works.
> >
> > No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last November which would
> > have been the upgrade to F33.
> >
> >
> > Where do I start?
> >
> >
> > Robin
>
> Okay
>
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[Robin Laing]

Hello

Will test as you say.

It is not the first account that is logged in that takes the sound card. 
  That I am sure.

Also, with the Alsa mixer, I get the same indication as the KDE Volume 
or the Pavcontrol.  I am testing further.

I did make one change to groups and I have reverted it just now.  I 
added the user that takes control of the sound card to the audio group 
as I was trying to get ZynAddSubFX to work and that was one of the 
suggestions.

On 11/04/2021 04:27, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> Hello,
> you could also check for the following:
> Is it always a particular account that takes the audio or is the
> first logged in after a fresh reboot?
> Is any of the accounts in some special group? Like audio for instance?
> When you create a completely new user, how does it behave?
>
> Luk
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 9:37 PM Robin Laing <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> Hello Lukas
>
> Don't normally top post but.
>
> Okay, installed pavcontrol and in the one account I get both the
>          Built-in Audio Analog Surround 5.1
> and
>          GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)
>
> In the second account I only get.
>
>          GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)
>
> I am also getting an error if I try to get a screen shot in the second
> account.
>
> In the third account I only get a dummy output right after switching in
> and logging in for the first time.
>
> I will have to do some more testing but it seems that the first account
> to use audio takes control of the 5.1 output but will confirm.
>
> Will look at pipewire.
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
> On 10/04/2021 11:10, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  > I have never experienced that one account would steal a sound device
>  > from other accounts, if that account is not being used at the moment.
>  > Interesting.
>  > First I would start by installing *pavucontrol* and I would try
> looking
>  > if the cards are visible there and if they can be chosen for output.
>  > Then, I would also consider switching to PipeWire, which is
> possible on
>  > Fedora 33 by installing the *pipewire* package and the
>  > *pipewire-pulseaudio* package.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:30 AM Robin Laing
> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     I use multiple accounts and recently a major headache has
> occurred with
>  >     pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.
>  >
>  >       From what I have found so far is that one account takes
> over a media
>  >     output device.
>  >
>  >     On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all audio
> but the
>  >     HDMI
>  >     says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do have an
> audio output
>  >     jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.
>  >
>  >     On average, I have two or three accounts open for work and
> private
>  >     stuff
>  >     which has worked for many years with no problems.  Recently,
> the issue
>  >     has arose that the one account I use for general day to day
> stuff has
>  >     taken over the sound card for only it's usage.
>  >
>  >     The second account that is for work has tried to use the HDMI
> output
>  >     but
>  >     cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I restart
> pulseaudio,
>  >     then no devices are found until I at least lock the account
> and log
>  >     back in.
>  >
>  >     If I open a third account which I have to use for online related
>  >     work, I
>  >     have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.
>  >
>  >     I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am lost.  Most
> online
>  >     troubleshooting help is geared to a single account being used.
>  >
>  >     To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player and in
> the second
>  >     account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart
> pulseaudio.  It
>  >     works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the only
> device as
>  >     there
>  >     are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as I have
> cloned
>  >     the
>  >     configuration from the account that works.
>  >
>  >     No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last November
> which would
>  >     have been the upgrade to F33.
>  >
>  >
>  >     Where do I start?
>  >
>  >
>  >     Robin
>
> Okay
>
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[Lukas Ruzicka]

> I did make one change to groups and I have reverted it just now.  I
> added the user that takes control of the sound card to the audio group
> as I was trying to get ZynAddSubFX to work and that was one of the
> suggestions.

I believe that this might be actually the reason. Add the other users to
the audio group, too,
and let's see what happens. I believe it could solve the problem.
> On 11/04/2021 04:27, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> > Hello,
> > you could also check for the following:
> > Is it always a particular account that takes the audio or is the
> > first logged in after a fresh reboot?
> > Is any of the accounts in some special group? Like audio for
>
> instance?
> > When you create a completely new user, how does it behave?
> >
> > Luk
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 9:37 PM Robin Laing <[e-mail]
> > > wrote:
> > Hello Lukas
> >
> > Don't normally top post but.
> >
> > Okay, installed pavcontrol and in the one account I get both the
> >          Built-in Audio Analog Surround 5.1
> > and
> >          GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)
> >
> > In the second account I only get.
> >
> >          GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI)
> >
> > I am also getting an error if I try to get a screen shot in the
>
> second
> > account.
> >
> > In the third account I only get a dummy output right after switching
>
> in
> > and logging in for the first time.
> >
> > I will have to do some more testing but it seems that the first
>
> account
> > to use audio takes control of the 5.1 output but will confirm.
> >
> > Will look at pipewire.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/04/2021 11:10, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> >  > Hello,
> >  >
> >  > I have never experienced that one account would steal a sound
>
> device
> >  > from other accounts, if that account is not being used at the
>
> moment.
> >  > Interesting.
> >  > First I would start by installing *pavucontrol* and I would try
> > looking
> >  > if the cards are visible there and if they can be chosen for
>
> output.
> >  > Then, I would also consider switching to PipeWire, which is
> > possible on
> >  > Fedora 33 by installing the *pipewire* package and the
> >  > *pipewire-pulseaudio* package.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:30 AM Robin Laing
> > <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >  > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
>
> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >     I use multiple accounts and recently a major headache has
> > occurred with
> >  >     pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.
> >  >
> >  >       From what I have found so far is that one account takes
> > over a media
> >  >     output device.
> >  >
> >  >     On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all audio
> > but the
> >  >     HDMI
> >  >     says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do have an
> > audio output
> >  >     jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.
> >  >
> >  >     On average, I have two or three accounts open for work and
> > private
> >  >     stuff
> >  >     which has worked for many years with no problems.  Recently,
> > the issue
> >  >     has arose that the one account I use for general day to day
> > stuff has
> >  >     taken over the sound card for only it's usage.
> >  >
> >  >     The second account that is for work has tried to use the HDMI
> > output
> >  >     but
> >  >     cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I restart
> > pulseaudio,
> >  >     then no devices are found until I at least lock the account
> > and log
> >  >     back in.
> >  >
> >  >     If I open a third account which I have to use for online
>
> related
> >  >     work, I
> >  >     have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.
> >  >
> >  >     I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am lost.  Most
> > online
> >  >     troubleshooting help is geared to a single account being used.
> >  >
> >  >     To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player and in
> > the second
> >  >     account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart
> > pulseaudio.  It
> >  >     works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the only
> > device as
> >  >     there
> >  >     are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as I have
> > cloned
> >  >     the
> >  >     configuration from the account that works.
> >  >
> >  >     No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last November
> > which would
> >  >     have been the upgrade to F33.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >     Where do I start?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >     Robin
> >
> > Okay
> >
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[Robin Laing]

Okay, After multiple tests, adding users to the audio group is a 
disaster.  Lose much of the idea of using Linux.

Last night did my updates and did a reboot for the kernel and did a 
quick audio test and everything seemed to work okay with people in the 
audio group and I did test just playing a video on at least three 
different users and they worked.

This morning I needed to do a web conference and plugged in the camera 
and couldn't get it to work or the mic on the camera or an external mic. 
  All have worked in the past.

After this, the audio was screwed up in other accounts.  I didn't log 
any of them out since my test last night.

The only way to get things working correctly is to remove all users from 
the audio group.

Will have to play with the camera and mic later to see if that is 
working again.

Robin

On 12/04/2021 01:14, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> I did make one change to groups and I have reverted it just now.  I
> added the user that takes control of the sound card to the audio group
> as I was trying to get ZynAddSubFX to work and that was one of the
> suggestions.
>
>
>
> I believe that this might be actually the reason. Add the other users to 
> the audio group, too,
> and let's see what happens. I believe it could solve the problem.
> On 11/04/2021 04:27, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  > you could also check for the following:
>  >
>  >   * Is it always a particular account that takes the audio or is the
>  >     first logged in after a fresh reboot?
>  >   * Is any of the accounts in some special group? Like audio for
> instance?
>  >   * When you create a completely new user, how does it behave?
>  >
>  > Luk
>  >
>  > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 9:37 PM Robin Laing
> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Hello Lukas
>  >
>  >     Don't normally top post but.
>  >
>  >     Okay, installed pavcontrol and in the one account I get both the
>  >              Built-in Audio Analog Surround 5.1
>  >     and
>  >              GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital
> Stereo (HDMI)
>  >
>  >     In the second account I only get.
>  >
>  >              GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital
> Stereo (HDMI)
>  >
>  >     I am also getting an error if I try to get a screen shot in
> the second
>  >     account.
>  >
>  >     In the third account I only get a dummy output right after
> switching in
>  >     and logging in for the first time.
>  >
>  >     I will have to do some more testing but it seems that the
> first account
>  >     to use audio takes control of the 5.1 output but will confirm.
>  >
>  >     Will look at pipewire.
>  >
>  >     Robin
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >     On 10/04/2021 11:10, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
>  >      > Hello,
>  >      >
>  >      > I have never experienced that one account would steal a
> sound device
>  >      > from other accounts, if that account is not being used at
> the moment.
>  >      > Interesting.
>  >      > First I would start by installing *pavucontrol* and I
> would try
>  >     looking
>  >      > if the cards are visible there and if they can be chosen
> for output.
>  >      > Then, I would also consider switching to PipeWire, which is
>  >     possible on
>  >      > Fedora 33 by installing the *pipewire* package and the
>  >      > *pipewire-pulseaudio* package.
>  >      >
>  >      >
>  >      >
>  >      >
>  >      > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:30 AM Robin Laing
>  >     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  >      > <mailto:[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>>> wrote:
>  >      >
>  >      >     I use multiple accounts and recently a major headache has
>  >     occurred with
>  >      >     pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.
>  >      >
>  >      >       From what I have found so far is that one account takes
>  >     over a media
>  >      >     output device.
>  >      >
>  >      >     On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all
> audio
>  >     but the
>  >      >     HDMI
>  >      >     says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do have an
>  >     audio output
>  >      >     jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.
>  >      >
>  >      >     On average, I have two or three accounts open for work and
>  >     private
>  >      >     stuff
>  >      >     which has worked for many years with no problems. 
> Recently,
>  >     the issue
>  >      >     has arose that the one account I use for general day
> to day
>  >     stuff has
>  >      >     taken over the sound card for only it's usage.
>  >      >
>  >      >     The second account that is for work has tried to use
> the HDMI
>  >     output
>  >      >     but
>  >      >     cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I restart
>  >     pulseaudio,
>  >      >     then no devices are found until I at least lock the
> account
>  >     and log
>  >      >     back in.
>  >      >
>  >      >     If I open a third account which I have to use for
> online related
>  >      >     work, I
>  >      >     have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.
>  >      >
>  >      >     I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am lost. 
> Most
>  >     online
>  >      >     troubleshooting help is geared to a single account
> being used.
>  >      >
>  >      >     To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player
> and in
>  >     the second
>  >      >     account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart
>  >     pulseaudio.  It
>  >      >     works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the only
>  >     device as
>  >      >     there
>  >      >     are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as
> I have
>  >     cloned
>  >      >     the
>  >      >     configuration from the account that works.
>  >      >
>  >      >     No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last November
>  >     which would
>  >      >     have been the upgrade to F33.
>  >      >
>  >      >
>  >      >     Where do I start?
>  >      >
>  >      >
>  >      >     Robin
>  >
>  >     Okay
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[Robin Laing]

To add to a side note that may be related.

Having strange actions in the one account that seems to steal the audio. 
  If I play Clementine (have not done it for some time) the keyboard 
quits working.

In other accounts it works okay.

Looks like it is time to nuke my plasma settings again.

On 19/04/2021 09:16, Robin Laing wrote:
> Okay, After multiple tests, adding users to the audio group is a 
> disaster.  Lose much of the idea of using Linux.
>
> Last night did my updates and did a reboot for the kernel and did a 
> quick audio test and everything seemed to work okay with people in the 
> audio group and I did test just playing a video on at least three 
> different users and they worked.
>
> This morning I needed to do a web conference and plugged in the camera 
> and couldn't get it to work or the mic on the camera or an external mic. 
>   All have worked in the past.
>
> After this, the audio was screwed up in other accounts.  I didn't log 
> any of them out since my test last night.
>
> The only way to get things working correctly is to remove all users from 
> the audio group.
>
> Will have to play with the camera and mic later to see if that is 
> working again.
>
> Robin
>
> On 12/04/2021 01:14, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> > I did make one change to groups and I have reverted it just now.  I
> >     added the user that takes control of the sound card to the audio 
> > group
> >     as I was trying to get ZynAddSubFX to work and that was one of the
> >     suggestions.
> >
> > I believe that this might be actually the reason. Add the other users 
> > to the audio group, too,
> > and let's see what happens. I believe it could solve the problem.
> >
> > On 11/04/2021 04:27, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> >      > Hello,
> >      > you could also check for the following:
> >      >
> >      >   * Is it always a particular account that takes the audio or 
> > is the
> >      >     first logged in after a fresh reboot?
> >      >   * Is any of the accounts in some special group? Like audio for
> >     instance?
> >      >   * When you create a completely new user, how does it behave?
> >      >
> >      > Luk
> >      >
> >      > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 9:37 PM Robin Laing
> >     <[e-mail] 
> >      > <mailto:[e-mail] >> 
> > wrote:
> >      >
> >      >     Hello Lukas
> >      >
> >      >     Don't normally top post but.
> >      >
> >      >     Okay, installed pavcontrol and in the one account I get 
> > both the
> >      >              Built-in Audio Analog Surround 5.1
> >      >     and
> >      >              GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital
> >     Stereo (HDMI)
> >      >
> >      >     In the second account I only get.
> >      >
> >      >              GM206 High Definition Audio Controller Digital
> >     Stereo (HDMI)
> >      >
> >      >     I am also getting an error if I try to get a screen shot in
> >     the second
> >      >     account.
> >      >
> >      >     In the third account I only get a dummy output right after
> >     switching in
> >      >     and logging in for the first time.
> >      >
> >      >     I will have to do some more testing but it seems that the
> >     first account
> >      >     to use audio takes control of the 5.1 output but will confirm.
> >      >
> >      >     Will look at pipewire.
> >      >
> >      >     Robin
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >     On 10/04/2021 11:10, Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
> >      >      > Hello,
> >      >      >
> >      >      > I have never experienced that one account would steal a
> >     sound device
> >      >      > from other accounts, if that account is not being used at
> >     the moment.
> >      >      > Interesting.
> >      >      > First I would start by installing *pavucontrol* and I
> >     would try
> >      >     looking
> >      >      > if the cards are visible there and if they can be chosen
> >     for output.
> >      >      > Then, I would also consider switching to PipeWire, which is
> >      >     possible on
> >      >      > Fedora 33 by installing the *pipewire* package and the
> >      >      > *pipewire-pulseaudio* package.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >
> >      >      >
> >      >      >
> >      >      > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:30 AM Robin Laing
> >      >     <[e-mail] 
> >     <mailto:[e-mail] >
> >      >      > <mailto:[e-mail]
> >      <mailto:[e-mail]
> >     >>> wrote:
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     I use multiple accounts and recently a major 
> > headache has
> >      >     occurred with
> >      >      >     pulseaudio.  My problem started last weekend.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >       From what I have found so far is that one account 
> > takes
> >      >     over a media
> >      >      >     output device.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     On my present system, I use the onboard sound for all
> >     audio
> >      >     but the
> >      >      >     HDMI
> >      >      >     says that it has audio.  Both computer monitors do 
> > have an
> >      >     audio output
> >      >      >     jack.  Sound card is connected to 5.1 speaker system.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     On average, I have two or three accounts open for 
> > work and
> >      >     private
> >      >      >     stuff
> >      >      >     which has worked for many years with no problems. 
> >     Recently,
> >      >     the issue
> >      >      >     has arose that the one account I use for general day
> >     to day
> >      >     stuff has
> >      >      >     taken over the sound card for only it's usage.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     The second account that is for work has tried to use
> >     the HDMI
> >      >     output
> >      >      >     but
> >      >      >     cannot even see the sound card as an option.  If I 
> > restart
> >      >     pulseaudio,
> >      >      >     then no devices are found until I at least lock the
> >     account
> >      >     and log
> >      >      >     back in.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     If I open a third account which I have to use for
> >     online related
> >      >      >     work, I
> >      >      >     have no sound device to use until I do a reboot.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     I have looked at trouble shooting this but I am 
> > lost.     Most
> >      >     online
> >      >      >     troubleshooting help is geared to a single account
> >     being used.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     To add to the issue, I use mplayer as my main player
> >     and in
> >      >     the second
> >      >      >     account, it refused to work if I had tried to restart
> >      >     pulseaudio.  It
> >      >      >     works with no sound if the HDMI/Display port is the 
> > only
> >      >     device as
> >      >      >     there
> >      >      >     are no speakers  It is not an mplayer configuration as
> >     I have
> >      >     cloned
> >      >      >     the
> >      >      >     configuration from the account that works.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     No changes to the /etc/pulse/* files since last 
> > November
> >      >     which would
> >      >      >     have been the upgrade to F33.
> >      >      >
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     Where do I start?
> >      >      >
> >      >      >
> >      >      >     Robin
> >      >
> >      >     Okay
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