About Transifex stability

[Thomas Canniot]

hello,

How is it that transifex has been so unstable for the past months ?
I had lost of "page not found" yesterday again with the relnotes in 
French and tonight i can't login... the site is not responsive :(

Before f13 it was rolling so good
Is the server not big enough anymore ?

Thomas

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Thomas Canniot
<thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org&gt; wrote:
>  How is it that transifex has been so unstable for the past months ?
>  I had lost of "page not found" yesterday again with the relnotes in
>  French and tonight i can't login... the site is not responsive :(
>
>  Before f13 it was rolling so good
>  Is the server not big enough anymore ? 
With both me and Diego having our plates full with Transifex.net and
the upcoming major 1.0 release, I'm afraid the infrastructure hasn't
been receiving the love it needs. We're still running Tx 0.7.4 which
has long reached its end of life.

At some point we should be having a meeting to decide our action plan
for translate.fpo. We either need more folks to help out, or even
consider migrating to fedora.transifex.net, which we work hard in
keeping up2date and stable*.

-d

* Disclaimer: I obviously work for the company maintaining Transifex.net. =)


-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Mostafa Daneshvar]

 On ۱۰/۰۹/۱۱ 05:48, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  At some point we should be having a meeting to decide our action
> plan
>  for translate.fpo. We either need more folks to help out, or even
>  consider migrating to fedora.transifex.net, which we work hard in
>  keeping up2date and stable*.
>  
+1 supporting idea of "fedora.transifex.net"


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Mostafa Daneshvar

http://mostafadaneshvar.com

Fedora Ambassador

[Thomas Canniot]

Le 11/09/2010 16:29, Mostafa a écrit :
>    On ۱۰/۰۹/۱۱ 05:48, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> > At some point we should be having a meeting to decide our action plan
> > for translate.fpo. We either need more folks to help out, or even
> > consider migrating to fedora.transifex.net, which we work hard in
> > keeping up2date and stable*.
> >
>  +1 supporting idea of "fedora.transifex.net" 
Why so?

This means having translations translating outside the fedora project 
website scope. Is this somehting we want ?
OK, transifex.net is up and efficient, but this really means that one of 
our major activity be done outside with no rule from the Project anymore.

I don't think it is a good idea.

Dimitri, what type of skill do we need to have 
translate.fedoraproject.org back to its best days ?

Thomas

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Thomas Canniot
<thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org&gt; wrote:
>  Le 11/09/2010 16:29, Mostafa a écrit :
> >   On ۱۰/۰۹/۱۱ 05:48, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> >> At some point we should be having a meeting to decide our action plan
> >> for translate.fpo. We either need more folks to help out, or even
> >> consider migrating to fedora.transifex.net, which we work hard in
> >> keeping up2date and stable*.
> >>
> > +1 supporting idea of "fedora.transifex.net"
>
>  Why so?
>
>  This means having translations translating outside the fedora project
>  website scope. Is this somehting we want ? 
This decision has advantages and possible risks (most of them similar
to any "outsourcing" decision). For projects like MeeGo, LXDE,
Mercurial and Creative Commons (and almost 1000 projects) it worked
nicely. :-) Others, like XFCE, have more resources and can maintain
their own instance. In the end it's up to Infra, and so far Fedora has
shown that it prefers hosting its own services.

>  Dimitri, what type of skill do we need to have
>  translate.fedoraproject.org back to its best days ? 
Cookies need love like everything does*. =)

Kidding aside, a service like translate.fpo needs a sysadmin with
direct interest for good translations.

-d


* The Oracle, Matrix Revolutions

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Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Kévin Raymond]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Dimitris Glezos <glezos(a)indifex.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Thomas Canniot
>  <thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org&gt; wrote:
> > Le 11/09/2010 16:29, Mostafa a écrit :
> >>   On ۱۰/۰۹/۱۱ 05:48, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> >>> At some point we should be having a meeting to decide our action plan
> >>> for translate.fpo. We either need more folks to help out, or even
> >>> consider migrating to fedora.transifex.net, which we work hard in
> >>> keeping up2date and stable*.
> >>>
> >> +1 supporting idea of "fedora.transifex.net"
> >
> > Why so?
> >
> > This means having translations translating outside the fedora project
> > website scope. Is this somehting we want ?
>
>  This decision has advantages and possible risks (most of them similar
>  to any "outsourcing" decision). For projects like MeeGo, LXDE,
>  Mercurial and Creative Commons (and almost 1000 projects) it worked
>  nicely. :-) Others, like XFCE, have more resources and can maintain
>  their own instance. In the end it's up to Infra, and so far Fedora has
>  shown that it prefers hosting its own services.
>
> > Dimitri, what type of skill do we need to have
> > translate.fedoraproject.org back to its best days ?
>
>  Cookies need love like everything does*. =)
>
>  Kidding aside, a service like translate.fpo needs a sysadmin with
>  direct interest for good translations.
>
>  -d
>
>
>  * The Oracle, Matrix Revolutions
>
>  --
>  Dimitris Glezos
>
>  Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
>  http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/
>  --
>  trans mailing list
>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans 
Hi,

Is there any translator (transifex user) in the infra team ?

Wich knowledge would be needed to be a sysadmin (mostly for
translators)? I mean, as seen there is no really work around to
upgrade our transifex, hence if a new sysadmin join the infra to help
for that, would he be helped for that, or should he already know all
about it ?

-- 
Kévin Raymond
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Noriko Mizumoto]

> >> Dimitri, what type of skill do we need to have
> >> translate.fedoraproject.org back to its best days ?
> > Cookies need love like everything does*. =)
> >
> > Kidding aside, a service like translate.fpo needs a sysadmin with
> > direct interest for good translations. 
[snip]
>  Hi,
>  
>  Is there any translator (transifex user) in the infra team ?
>  
>  Wich knowledge would be needed to be a sysadmin (mostly for
>  translators)? I mean, as seen there is no really work around to
>  upgrade our transifex, hence if a new sysadmin join the infra to help
>  for that, would he be helped for that, or should he already know all
>  about it ?
>   
Sorry but let me roll back a bit. The original questions were;
"How is it that transifex has been so unstable for the past months ?"
"Before f13 it was rolling so good. Is the server not big enough anymore ?"

This must be common questions for us, the cause(s) of the problem.
It would be very nice to know the cause(s) first, so that people can 
know the situation.

In order to fix, the action list is needed. So that people can identify 
what he/she can help in which part at which end.

noriko

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Sorry top post.
As Dimitris said, we need more folks to help this problem out. And we 
hear some of us are showing interest for this. To fix the problem asap, 
while giving a hand to people who is brave to take L10N-damin work too, 
I've created the ticket for asking help to Infra team. Please add 
yourself in CC.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2389

noriko

noriko さんは書きました:
> >>> Dimitri, what type of skill do we need to have
> >>> translate.fedoraproject.org back to its best days ?
> >> Cookies need love like everything does*. =)
> >>
> >> Kidding aside, a service like translate.fpo needs a sysadmin with
> >> direct interest for good translations.
>  [snip]
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there any translator (transifex user) in the infra team ?
> >
> > Wich knowledge would be needed to be a sysadmin (mostly for
> > translators)? I mean, as seen there is no really work around to
> > upgrade our transifex, hence if a new sysadmin join the infra to help
> > for that, would he be helped for that, or should he already know all
> > about it ?
> >
>  Sorry but let me roll back a bit. The original questions were;
>  "How is it that transifex has been so unstable for the past months ?"
>  "Before f13 it was rolling so good. Is the server not big enough anymore ?"
>  
>  This must be common questions for us, the cause(s) of the problem.
>  It would be very nice to know the cause(s) first, so that people can 
>  know the situation.
>  
>  In order to fix, the action list is needed. So that people can identify 
>  what he/she can help in which part at which end.
>  
>  noriko
>  
>  
>  
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[Dimitris Glezos]

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:21 PM, shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Is there any translator (transifex user) in the infra team ?
>
>  Wich knowledge would be needed to be a sysadmin (mostly for
>  translators)? I mean, as seen there is no really work around to
>  upgrade our transifex, hence if a new sysadmin join the infra to help
>  for that, would he be helped for that, or should he already know all
>  about it ? 
Here's something specific: We need a person to maintain the Transifex
RPM, which we use to update the servers.

  https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2389#comment:7

-d


-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Kévin Raymond]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Dimitris Glezos <glezos(a)indifex.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:21 PM, shaiton
> <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > Is there any translator (transifex user) in the infra team ?
> >
> > Wich knowledge would be needed to be a sysadmin (mostly for
> > translators)? I mean, as seen there is no really work around to
> > upgrade our transifex, hence if a new sysadmin join the infra to help
> > for that, would he be helped for that, or should he already know all
> > about it ?
>
>  Here's something specific: We need a person to maintain the Transifex
>  RPM, which we use to update the servers.
>
>   https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2389#comment:7
>
>  -d
>
>
>  --
>  Dimitris Glezos
>  
Yeah, thank you I've read that.

I am not a packager (have just rebuilt one package in my life) but
could become one, if there is no other more qualified volunteers.

Of course, we can't upgrade in few days, the target should be before
F15 release. Therefore, we still have current uploading issues which
are really annoying for translating F14

-- 
Kévin Raymond
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Noriko Mizumoto]

shaiton さんは書きました:
>  On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Dimitris Glezos
> <glezos(a)indifex.com&gt; wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:21 PM, shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> >> Is there any translator (transifex user) in the infra team ?
> >>
> >> Wich knowledge would be needed to be a sysadmin (mostly for
> >> translators)? I mean, as seen there is no really work around to
> >> upgrade our transifex, hence if a new sysadmin join the infra to help
> >> for that, would he be helped for that, or should he already know all
> >> about it ?
> > Here's something specific: We need a person to maintain the Transifex
> > RPM, which we use to update the servers.
> >
> >  https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2389#comment:7
> >
> > -d
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dimitris Glezos
> >
>  
>  Yeah, thank you I've read that.
>  
>  I am not a packager (have just rebuilt one package in my life) but
>  could become one, if there is no other more qualified volunteers.
>  
>  Of course, we can't upgrade in few days, the target should be before
>  F15 release. Therefore, we still have current uploading issues which
>  are really annoying for translating F14 
Kevin, thank you thank you thank you!

[Thomas Canniot]

Le 14/09/2010 17:17, Dimitris Glezos a écrit :
>  On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:21 PM,
> shaiton<shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org>  wrote:
> > Is there any translator (transifex user) in the infra team ?
> >
> > Wich knowledge would be needed to be a sysadmin (mostly for
> > translators)? I mean, as seen there is no really work around to
> > upgrade our transifex, hence if a new sysadmin join the infra to help
> > for that, would he be helped for that, or should he already know all
> > about it ?
>
>  Here's something specific: We need a person to maintain the Transifex
>  RPM, which we use to update the servers.
>
>     https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2389#comment:7
>
>  -d
>
>  
OK I agree this is one thing specific. However, maintaining the RPM 
won't solve every issue. Here we have a tool which effienciency is 
getting worse over the time. I guess there is some server configuration 
to do to save our souls before created a spec file for an update which 
is F15 target. Am I right ?

Thomas