Zanata Glossary

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Hi all

I like to propose experimental introduction of Zanata glossary onto
fedora.zanata.org using the data Red Hat internally created as a base.
Once introduced, it should appear bottom right hand side, next to
Translation Memory, pls see this screenshot[1].

Currently, this feature is still on development, and has a room to
improve especially permission area. Atm the data can only be edited by a
user with 'glossarist' permission. This glossarist can edit any data
across the languages. Any data will be editable as well new data can be
added. So we will be able to build up our own Fedora Localization Glossary.

Will you please let me know if you like to see this experimental
introduction or not, and whom to be granted as 'glossarist'?

[1]:https://noriko.fedorapeople.org/zanata-glossary.png

Thanks

noriko

zanata-glossary.png

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Hi

I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
for ten languages in editor screen.
Please play around and give us feedback.

Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your hand in
this list.

noriko

On 2016年05月04日 18:04, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I like to propose experimental introduction of Zanata glossary onto
> fedora.zanata.org using the data Red Hat internally created as a base.
> Once introduced, it should appear bottom right hand side, next to
> Translation Memory, pls see this screenshot[1].
>
> Currently, this feature is still on development, and has a room to
> improve especially permission area. Atm the data can only be edited by a
> user with 'glossarist' permission. This glossarist can edit any data
> across the languages. Any data will be editable as well new data can be
> added. So we will be able to build up our own Fedora Localization Glossary.
>
> Will you please let me know if you like to see this experimental
> introduction or not, and whom to be granted as 'glossarist'?
>
> Thanks
>
> noriko
>
> zanata-glossary.png

[Tiansworld]

On 9/5/2016 8:29 PM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
> Hi
>
> I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> for ten languages in editor screen.
> Please play around and give us feedback.
> > Will you please let me know if you like to see this experimental
> > introduction or not, and whom to be granted as 'glossarist'?

Hi Noriko,
It's a good idea and feature. I have been trying to maintenance a
Chinese glossary but it doesn't collect too many entries and is Chinese
only.

Will it have the feature of being exported to file(s)? If the glossary
can be exported and used in other project, I want to know what the
license the glossary uses?

Please grant me as a glossary editor('glossarist').

[Alex Eng]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Tiansworld 
wrote:
> being exported to file(s)? If the glossary
> can be exported and used in other project, I want to know what the
> license the glossary uses?
>
> Please grant me as a glossary editor('glossarist').

Currently Zanata doesn't have export feature. We are working on it.

---------------------------------------------

Alex Eng
Senior Software Engineer
Globalisation Tools Engineering
DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457

Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
Level 1, 193 North Quay
Brisbane 4000
Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
Website: www.redhat.com

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2016年05月10日 01:48, Tiansworld wrote:
> On 9/5/2016 8:29 PM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> > from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> > Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> > for ten languages in editor screen.
> > Please play around and give us feedback.
> > > Will you please let me know if you like to see this experimental
> > > introduction or not, and whom to be granted as 'glossarist'?
>
> Hi Noriko,
> It's a good idea and feature. I have been trying to maintenance a
> Chinese glossary but it doesn't collect too many entries and is Chinese
> only.
>
> Will it have the feature of being exported to file(s)? If the glossary
> can be exported and used in other project, I want to know what the
> license the glossary uses?
>
> Please grant me as a glossary editor('glossarist').

Added. Please consult and gain the consensus of your change with your
team before edit. You will have power to change other languages too, so
please pay extra attention.
Thanks.
>

[Máximo Castañeda]

2016-05-09 14:29 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto :
> Hi
>
> I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> for ten languages in editor screen.
> Please play around and give us feedback.

Looks nice, like having a small, focused dictionary at hand.
> Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your hand in
> this list.

If it's difficult to break other languages when editing the one
language you are interested in, please add me (lonemadmax in Zanata).

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2016年05月10日 05:34, Máximo Castañeda wrote:
> 2016-05-09 14:29 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto :
> > Hi
> >
> > I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> > from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> > Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> > for ten languages in editor screen.
> > Please play around and give us feedback.
>
> Looks nice, like having a small, focused dictionary at hand.
> > Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your hand in
> > this list.
>
> If it's difficult to break other languages when editing the one
> language you are interested in, please add me (lonemadmax in Zanata).

Added. Please consult and gain the consensus of your change with your
team before edit. You will have power to change other languages too, so
please pay extra attention.
Thanks.

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 09/05/2016 à 14:29, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
> Hi
>
> I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> for ten languages in editor screen.
> Please play around and give us feedback.
>
> Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your hand in
> this list.
>
> noriko

Looks like fine to me, especially if we can edit it, please add me to 
this editor list.

Btw : can't we use the existing right management used for teams ?

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2016年05月10日 06:30, Jean-Baptiste wrote:
> Le 09/05/2016 à 14:29, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
> > Hi
> >
> > I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> > from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> > Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> > for ten languages in editor screen.
> > Please play around and give us feedback.
> >
> > Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your hand in
> > this list.
> >
> > noriko
>
> Looks like fine to me, especially if we can edit it, please add me to
> this editor list.

Added. Please consult and gain the consensus of your change with your
team before edit. You will have power to change other languages too, so
please pay extra attention.
Thanks.
> Btw : can't we use the existing right management used for teams ?

What do you mean?

noriko

[Jérôme Fenal]

2016-05-09 22:30 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste :
> Le 09/05/2016 à 14:29, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
> > Hi
> >
> > I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> > from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> > Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> > for ten languages in editor screen.
> > Please play around and give us feedback.
> >
> > Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your hand in
> > this list.
> >
> > noriko
>
> Looks like fine to me, especially if we can edit it, please add me to this
> editor list.

​Hi Noriko-san,

Can you please also add myself to the glossary editor role?​
> Btw : can't we use the existing right management used for teams ?

​+1

Should we file a request for enhancement somewhere?

IMHO, glossarists should be able to add any source word or locution as a
global glossary entry, thus all languages could benefit from the
construction of the glossary.
Or maybe add a feature to specify that a specific glossary entry is
irrelevant to a specific languages.
That would also enable the developement team to have some statistics about
the gloassary usage, and see if other workflows should be proposed.

Regards,

J.

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2016年05月14日 20:13, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
> 2016-05-09 22:30 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste <[e-mail]
> >:
> Le 09/05/2016 à 14:29, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
>
>     Hi
>
>     I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
>     from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
>     Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary
>     feature
>     for ten languages in editor screen.
>     Please play around and give us feedback.
>
>     Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your
>     hand in
>     this list.
>
>     noriko
>
>
> Looks like fine to me, especially if we can edit it, please add me
> to this editor list.
>
>
> ​Hi Noriko-san,
>
> Can you please also add myself to the glossary editor role?​

done :-)
> Btw : can't we use the existing right management used for teams ?
>
>
> ​+1

I am sorry, I don't get it, existing right management. Could you please
give us more context?
Whatever it doesn't align to your team need, it should be adjusted. Let
us know what is missing? Besides any input for glossary, it is much
appreciated to leave your thoughts at the L10N Glossary page [1].

I'll be on holiday for three weeks and would like to enjoy no-computer
environment. Thus it may take time to respond. I am sorry.

[1]:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Glossary

noriko
> Should we file a request for enhancement somewhere?
>
> IMHO, glossarists should be able to add any source word or locution as a
> global glossary entry, thus all languages could benefit from the
> construction of the glossary.
> Or maybe add a feature to specify that a specific glossary entry is
> irrelevant to a specific languages.
> That would also enable the developement team to have some statistics
> about the gloassary usage, and see if other workflows should be proposed.
>
> Regards,
> J.
>
> Jérôme Fenal
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Jérôme Fenal]

2016-05-14 14:37 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto :
> On 2016年05月14日 20:13, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
> > 2016-05-09 22:30 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste <[e-mail]
> > >:
> > Le 09/05/2016 à 14:29, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
> >
> >     Hi
> >
> >     I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked
>
> Alex
> >     from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> >     Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary
> >     feature
> >     for ten languages in editor screen.
> >     Please play around and give us feedback.
> >
> >     Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your
> >     hand in
> >     this list.
> >
> >     noriko
> >
> >
> > Looks like fine to me, especially if we can edit it, please add me
> > to this editor list.
> >
> >
> > ​Hi Noriko-san,
> >
> > Can you please also add myself to the glossary editor role?​
>
> done :-)

​Thank you!​
> > Btw : can't we use the existing right management used for teams ?
> >
> >
> > ​+1
>
> I am sorry, I don't get it, existing right management. Could you please
> give us more context?

​The idea would be to add another role besides translator, coordinator, and
reviewer, such as glossarist.

That way, coordinators would be able to grant glossarist roles locally.
> Whatever it doesn't align to your team need, it should be adjusted. Let
> us know what is missing? Besides any input for glossary, it is much
> appreciated to leave your thoughts at the L10N Glossary page [1].
>
> I'll be on holiday for three weeks and would like to enjoy no-computer
> environment. Thus it may take time to respond. I am sorry.

​No worries, enjoy your PTO :)​

​Regards,​

​J.​

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2016年05月14日 23:37, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
> 2016-05-14 14:37 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto <[e-mail]
> >:
> On 2016年05月14日 20:13, Jérôme Fenal wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2016-05-09 22:30 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > <mailto:[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>>:
> >
> >     Le 09/05/2016 à 14:29, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
> >
> >         Hi
> >
> >         I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> >         from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> >         Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary
> >         feature
> >         for ten languages in editor screen.
> >         Please play around and give us feedback.
> >
> >         Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your
> >         hand in
> >         this list.
> >
> >         noriko
> >
> >
> >     Looks like fine to me, especially if we can edit it, please add me
> >     to this editor list.
> >
> >
> > ​Hi Noriko-san,
> >
> > Can you please also add myself to the glossary editor role?​
>
> done :-)
>
>
> ​Thank you!​
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     Btw : can't we use the existing right management used for teams ?
> >
> >
> > ​+1
>
> I am sorry, I don't get it, existing right management. Could you please
> give us more context?
>
>
> ​The idea would be to add another role besides translator, coordinator,
> and reviewer, such as glossarist.
>
> That way, coordinators would be able to grant glossarist roles locally.

Thank you Jerome,
Added this in the wiki page 'Conditions to appoint 'glossarist' role'
section.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Glossary#Conditions_to_appoint_.27glossa...

noriko
> Whatever it doesn't align to your team need, it should be adjusted. Let
> us know what is missing? Besides any input for glossary, it is much
> appreciated to leave your thoughts at the L10N Glossary page [1].
>
> I'll be on holiday for three weeks and would like to enjoy no-computer
> environment. Thus it may take time to respond. I am sorry.
>
>
> ​No worries, enjoy your PTO :)​
>
> ​Regards,​
> ​J.​
>
> Jérôme Fenal

[Jean-Baptiste]

is there a way to :
* export glossary ?
* remove item from glossary ?

do you know why do we have empty suggestions ?

thanks for your help

[Alex Eng]

Empty suggestion mainly would mean this source string in not translated in
your languages.

---------------------------------------------

Alex Eng
Senior Software Engineer
Globalisation Tools Engineering
DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457

Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
Level 1, 193 North Quay
Brisbane 4000
Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
Website: www.redhat.com

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Jean-Baptiste 
wrote:
> is there a way to :
> export glossary ?
> remove item from glossary ?
>
> do you know why do we have empty suggestions ?
> thanks for your help
> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 12 juin 2016 23:47:27 CEST, Alex Eng  a écrit :
> Empty suggestion mainly would mean this source string in not translated
> in
> your languages.
>
> Alex Eng
> Senior Software Engineer
> Globalisation Tools Engineering
> DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
> Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457
>
> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
> Level 1, 193 North Quay
> Brisbane 4000
> Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
> Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
> Website: www.redhat.com
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Jean-Baptiste
>
> wrote:
> > is there a way to :
> > export glossary ?
> > remove item from glossary ?
> >
> > do you know why do we have empty suggestions ?
> > thanks for your help
> > Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> >
> > trans mailing list
> > [e-mail]
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

thanks alex, do you mean the glossary has one common list for every language or is it just related to the first import ?

[Alex Eng]

Jean,
Yes, glossary in Zanata is one common list for all languages.

---------------------------------------------

Alex Eng
Senior Software Engineer
Globalisation Tools Engineering
DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457

Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
Level 1, 193 North Quay
Brisbane 4000
Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
Website: www.redhat.com

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Jean-Baptiste 
wrote:
> Le 12 juin 2016 23:47:27 CEST, Alex Eng  a écrit :
> > Empty suggestion mainly would mean this source string in not translated
> > in
> > your languages.
> >
> > Alex Eng
> > Senior Software Engineer
> > Globalisation Tools Engineering
> > DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
> > Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457
> >
> > Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
> > Level 1, 193 North Quay
> > Brisbane 4000
> > Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
> > Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
> > Website: www.redhat.com
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Jean-Baptiste
> >
> > wrote:
> > > is there a way to :
> > > export glossary ?
> > > remove item from glossary ?
> > >
> > > do you know why do we have empty suggestions ?
> > > thanks for your help
> > > Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> > >
> > > trans mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> >
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> thanks alex, do you mean the glossary has one common list for every
> language or is it just related to the first import ?
> --
> Jean-Baptiste

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 13/06/2016 à 23:15, Alex Eng a écrit :
> Jean,
> Yes, glossary in Zanata is one common list for all languages.

well... one new request of feature to write !
can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we are 
in translation interface.

can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin issues 
and suggest removals to french community ?

[Alex Eng]

> can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we are in
> translation interface.

So in the editor beside translation memory, is actually shows up an empty
glossary suggestion?

can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin issues and
> suggest removals to french community ?

What content you're referring to?

---------------------------------------------

Alex Eng
Senior Software Engineer
Globalisation Tools Engineering
DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457

Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
Level 1, 193 North Quay
Brisbane 4000
Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
Website: www.redhat.com

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Jean-Baptiste 
wrote:
> Le 13/06/2016 à 23:15, Alex Eng a écrit :
> > Jean,
> > Yes, glossary in Zanata is one common list for all languages.
>
> well... one new request of feature to write !
> can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we are in
> translation interface.
>
> can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin issues and
> suggest removals to french community ?
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 13 juin 2016 23:25:19 CEST, Alex Eng  a écrit :
> > can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we
>
> are in
> > translation interface.
>
> So in the editor beside translation memory, is actually shows up an
> empty
> glossary suggestion?
>
> can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin issues
> and
> > suggest removals to french community ?
>
> What content you're referring to?
>
> Alex Eng
> Senior Software Engineer
> Globalisation Tools Engineering
> DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
> Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457
>
> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
> Level 1, 193 North Quay
> Brisbane 4000
> Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
> Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
> Website: www.redhat.com
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Jean-Baptiste
>
> wrote:
> > Le 13/06/2016 à 23:15, Alex Eng a écrit :
> > > Jean,
> > > Yes, glossary in Zanata is one common list for all languages.
> >
> > well... one new request of feature to write !
> > can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we
>
> are in
> > translation interface.
> >
> > can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin
>
> issues and
> > suggest removals to french community ?
> > Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> >
> > trans mailing list
> > [e-mail]
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

Yes,  it shows empty result.

about content : an export of every line of glossary with translations (I'm interested in french, but other teams may be interested too)

[Alex Eng]

> Yes,  it shows empty result.

Can you send me the url that you're seeing empty glossary?
> about content : an export of every line of glossary with translations (I'm
> interested in french, but other teams may be interested too)

We are currently working on export glossary, the feature is not in current
version of Zanata.

---------------------------------------------

Alex Eng
Senior Software Engineer
Globalisation Tools Engineering
DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457

Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
Level 1, 193 North Quay
Brisbane 4000
Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
Website: www.redhat.com

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Jean-Baptiste 
wrote:
> Le 13 juin 2016 23:25:19 CEST, Alex Eng  a écrit :
> > > can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we
> >
> > are in
> > > translation interface.
> >
> > So in the editor beside translation memory, is actually shows up an
> > empty
> > glossary suggestion?
> >
> > can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin issues
> > and
> > > suggest removals to french community ?
> >
> > What content you're referring to?
> >
> > Alex Eng
> > Senior Software Engineer
> > Globalisation Tools Engineering
> > DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
> > Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457
> >
> > Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
> > Level 1, 193 North Quay
> > Brisbane 4000
> > Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
> > Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
> > Website: www.redhat.com
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Jean-Baptiste
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Le 13/06/2016 à 23:15, Alex Eng a écrit :
> > > > Jean,
> > > > Yes, glossary in Zanata is one common list for all languages.
> > >
> > > well... one new request of feature to write !
> > > can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we
> >
> > are in
> > > translation interface.
> > >
> > > can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin
> >
> > issues and
> > > suggest removals to french community ?
> > > Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> > >
> > > trans mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> >
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> Yes,  it shows empty result.
>
> about content : an export of every line of glossary with translations (I'm
> interested in french, but other teams may be interested too)
> --
> Jean-Baptiste

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Hi all,

I am sorry being top-post, but can I ask you all to enter any "request"
or "issue", "blocker" even "good/helpful feature you've experienced" in
this page [1]? So that it won't be buried in the archive and allows us
and Zanata team to evaluate those all later.

noriko

[1]:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Glossary

On 2016年06月14日 07:36, Alex Eng wrote:
> Yes,  it shows empty result.
>
>
> Can you send me the url that you're seeing empty glossary?
> about content : an export of every line of glossary with
> translations (I'm interested in french, but other teams may be
> interested too)
>
> We are currently working on export glossary, the feature is not in
> current version of Zanata.
>
> Alex Eng 
> Senior Software Engineer
> Globalisation Tools Engineering
> DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262 
> Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457
>
> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd 
> Level 1, 193 North Quay 
> Brisbane 4000 
> Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100 
> Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199 
> Website: www.redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Jean-Baptiste
> <[e-mail] > wrote:
> Le 13 juin 2016 23:25:19 CEST, Alex Eng <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> a écrit :
> >>
> >> can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we
> >are in
> >> translation interface.
> >
> >So in the editor beside translation memory, is actually shows up an
> >empty
> >glossary suggestion?
> >
> >can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin issues
> >and
> >> suggest removals to french community ?
> >
> >What content you're referring to?
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------------------
> >
> >Alex Eng
> >Senior Software Engineer
> >Globalisation Tools Engineering
> >DID: [phone] <callto:+61+3514+8262>
> >Mobile: [phone] <tel:%2B614%202335%203457>
> <callto:+614+2335+3457>
> >
> >Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
> >Level 1, 193 North Quay
> >Brisbane 4000
> >Office: [phone] <callto:+61+7+3514+8100>
> >Fax: [phone] <callto:+61+7+3514+8199>
> >Website: www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com>
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Jean-Baptiste
> ><[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Le 13/06/2016 à 23:15, Alex Eng a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Jean,
> >>> Yes, glossary in Zanata is one common list for all languages.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> well... one new request of feature to write !
> >> can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item when we
> >are in
> >> translation interface.
> >>
> >> can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin
> >issues and
> >> suggest removals to french community ?
> >> --
> >> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> >> --
> >> trans mailing list
> >> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>
> >https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >--
> >trans mailing list
> >[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> Yes,  it shows empty result.
>
> about content : an export of every line of glossary with
> translations (I'm interested in french, but other teams may be
> interested too)
> --
> Jean-Baptiste
>
>
>
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 14 juin 2016 02:02:37 CEST, Noriko Mizumoto  a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> I am sorry being top-post, but can I ask you all to enter any "request"
> or "issue", "blocker" even "good/helpful feature you've experienced" in
> this page [1]? So that it won't be buried in the archive and allows us
> and Zanata team to evaluate those all later.
>
> noriko
>
> On 2016年06月14日 07:36, Alex Eng wrote:
> > Yes,  it shows empty result.
> >
> >
> > Can you send me the url that you're seeing empty glossary?
> > about content : an export of every line of glossary with
> > translations (I'm interested in french, but other teams may be
> > interested too)
> >
> > We are currently working on export glossary, the feature is not in
> > current version of Zanata.
> >
> > Alex Eng 
> > Senior Software Engineer
> > Globalisation Tools Engineering
> > DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262 
> > Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457
> >
> > Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd 
> > Level 1, 193 North Quay 
> > Brisbane 4000 
> > Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100 
> > Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199 
> > Website: www.redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Jean-Baptiste
> > <[e-mail] > wrote:
> > Le 13 juin 2016 23:25:19 CEST, Alex Eng <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>> a écrit :
> > >>
> > >> can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item
>
> when we
> > >are in
> > >> translation interface.
> > >
> > >So in the editor beside translation memory, is actually shows up
>
> an
> > >empty
> > >glossary suggestion?
> > >
> > >can you please give us access to export of content so I can fin
>
> issues
> > >and
> > >> suggest removals to french community ?
> > >
> > >What content you're referring to?
> > >
> > >
> > >---------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Alex Eng
> > >Senior Software Engineer
> > >Globalisation Tools Engineering
> > >DID: [phone] <callto:+61+3514+8262>
> > >Mobile: [phone] <tel:%2B614%202335%203457>
> > <callto:+614+2335+3457>
> > >
> > >Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
> > >Level 1, 193 North Quay
> > >Brisbane 4000
> > >Office: [phone] <callto:+61+7+3514+8100>
> > >Fax: [phone] <callto:+61+7+3514+8199>
> > >Website: www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com>
> > >
> > >On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Jean-Baptiste
> > ><[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Le 13/06/2016 à 23:15, Alex Eng a écrit :
> > >>
> > >>> Jean,
> > >>> Yes, glossary in Zanata is one common list for all languages.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> well... one new request of feature to write !
> > >> can we also solve this issue : it shows empty glossary item
>
> when we
> > >are in
> > >> translation interface.
> > >>
> > >> can you please give us access to export of content so I can
>
> fin
> > >issues and
> > >> suggest removals to french community ?
> > >> --
> > >> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> > >> --
> > >> trans mailing list
> > >> [e-mail]
>
> > >>
> >
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >     >
> >     >
> > >
> > >--
> > >trans mailing list
> > >[e-mail]
>
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> > Yes,  it shows empty result.
> >
> > about content : an export of every line of glossary with
> > translations (I'm interested in french, but other teams may be
> > interested too)
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > [e-mail]
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
>
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

I will,  but it's the second time a good idea is creating problems in Zanata.
The first is the import of Red Hat Translation Memory.

If Zanata does the job for edition and memory... it not a great tool on many aspects. Especially for platform management, quality monitoring, team animation, alerts,...

We had discussions in the French mailing list about the different ways to translate words and some acronyms. An example is "Global Availability". 
I don't see how our conversations and decisions can be any use in the middle of more than two thousand words. So I don't see how Zanata can help me in community management. I'll leave someday, and it would not be included in collective tools. Like warming outside the house.

I feel like even more cripple...
And I didn't notice any improvements witj Zanata since I started being involved in here.

I suggest to rollback until it is possible to have one different glossary per language.

Some items community based are more usefull than two thousands incompletes.

This list can exist in the form of a pdf per locale, or table in wiki, without any harm.

[Sylvia Sánchez]

Hi Jérôme !

I like your ideas. A glossary everyone could check would be awesome.

Cheers, thanks,
Sylvia

On Saturday, 14 May 2016, Jérôme Fenal  wrote:
> 2016-05-09 22:30 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste <[e-mail]
> >:
> > Le 09/05/2016 à 14:29, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I havn't heard any objection or negative comment, so that asked Alex
> > > from Zanata team to go ahead and implement it.
> > > Now, the data contains 2238 entries are available in Glossary feature
> > > for ten languages in editor screen.
> > > Please play around and give us feedback.
> > >
> > > Anyone who has interest to edit/add an entry, please raise your hand in
> > > this list.
> > >
> > > noriko
> >
> > Looks like fine to me, especially if we can edit it, please add me to
> > this editor list.
>
> ​Hi Noriko-san,
>
> Can you please also add myself to the glossary editor role?​
> > Btw : can't we use the existing right management used for teams ?
>
> ​+1
>
> Should we file a request for enhancement somewhere?
>
> IMHO, glossarists should be able to add any source word or locution as a
> global glossary entry, thus all languages could benefit from the
> construction of the glossary.
> Or maybe add a feature to specify that a specific glossary entry is
> irrelevant to a specific languages.
> That would also enable the developement team to have some statistics about
> the gloassary usage, and see if other workflows should be proposed.
>
> Regards,
> J.
>
> Jérôme Fenal

[Sylvia Sánchez]

Hi Noriko!.

I'm sorry I couldn't reply before. I'd really love to see this feature
experimented. I think it would be very useful.

Cheers,
Sylvia

On Wednesday, 4 May 2016, Noriko Mizumoto  wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I like to propose experimental introduction of Zanata glossary onto
> fedora.zanata.org using the data Red Hat internally created as a base.
> Once introduced, it should appear bottom right hand side, next to
> Translation Memory, pls see this screenshot[1].
>
> Currently, this feature is still on development, and has a room to
> improve especially permission area. Atm the data can only be edited by a
> user with 'glossarist' permission. This glossarist can edit any data
> across the languages. Any data will be editable as well new data can be
> added. So we will be able to build up our own Fedora Localization Glossary.
>
> Will you please let me know if you like to see this experimental
> introduction or not, and whom to be granted as 'glossarist'?
>
> Thanks
>
> noriko
> zanata-glossary.png
>
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail] javascript:;
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2016年05月11日 11:45, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
> Hi Noriko!.
>
> I'm sorry I couldn't reply before. I'd really love to see this feature
> experimented. I think it would be very useful.

Thank you Sylivia,
Would you like to be a glossarist to try out and edit?

noriko
> Cheers, 
> Sylvia
>
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2016, Noriko Mizumoto <[e-mail]
> > wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I like to propose experimental introduction of Zanata glossary onto
> fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org> using the data Red Hat
> internally created as a base.
> Once introduced, it should appear bottom right hand side, next to
> Translation Memory, pls see this screenshot[1].
>
> Currently, this feature is still on development, and has a room to
> improve especially permission area. Atm the data can only be edited by a
> user with 'glossarist' permission. This glossarist can edit any data
> across the languages. Any data will be editable as well new data can be
> added. So we will be able to build up our own Fedora Localization
> Glossary.
>
> Will you please let me know if you like to see this experimental
> introduction or not, and whom to be granted as 'glossarist'?
>
> [1]:https://noriko.fedorapeople.org/zanata-glossary.png
>
> Thanks
>
> noriko
>
>
> zanata-glossary.png
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail] <javascript:;>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Ooyama Yosiyuki]

Excuse me, everyone.

I have proposal.

If a person who does not have the editing permission to glossary  visited this glossary page,
the red key icon should be appeared the upper left corner of the page in such same way as when visited to other languages team page.

And also the message "This project-version is read only. it cannot be edited." should be appeared in such same as when visited to other languages team page, too.

[Alex Eng]

Thanks for the feedback and I totally agree on some information where its
in readonly mode.

Is it possible to create a jira ticket in https://zanata.atlassian.net for
your feedback?

---------------------------------------------

Alex Eng
Senior Software Engineer
Globalisation Tools Engineering
DID: [phone] callto:+61+3514+8262
Mobile: [phone] callto:+614+2335+3457

Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd
Level 1, 193 North Quay
Brisbane 4000
Office: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8100
Fax: [phone] callto:+61+7+3514+8199
Website: www.redhat.com

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:57 PM, Ooyama Yosiyuki <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> Excuse me, everyone.
>
> I have proposal.
>
> If a person who does not have the editing permission to glossary  visited
> this glossary page,
> the red key icon should be appeared the upper left corner of the page in
> such same way as when visited to other languages team page.
>
> And also the message "This project-version is read only. it cannot be
> edited." should be appeared in such same as when visited to other languages
> team page, too.
> --
> trans mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Ooyama Yosiyuki]

I created a jira ticket of this feedback about readonly mode.

https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-1111?jql=
"Readonly mode of glossary is needed."

[Ooyama Yosiyuki]

I have also another proposal.
To link the glossary and the Wiki.

Creating a glossary Wiki, and opening the Wiki which everyuser can edit.

By doing such as this way, We can re-use the glossary, not only for translation ,but also for learning.